Steve, your post is full of empty statements
Empty to you Igor, because you just can't grasp the big picture (I have no clue how to ride)
Yes, your skill level is below that of the average track day enthusiast. You said yourself that you ride in the upper novice or the lower intermediate group which added confirmation to what I knew much earlier from your rambling posts.(i, and assumptions (my arse is firmly planted on the seat). I don't know how many times I said how aggressively I ride,
Aggressive is in the eyes of the beholder. Apparently no one has ever witnessed your aggressive riding. No pictures, no witnesses, I'd call that fictional. and how I constantly move around and how my outside arm is almost stretched across the tank. You probably missed it. At what angle 1G is generated - is irrelevant.
First you must understand cornering before you can conquer corners, Keith Code! Prime example! Obviously its irrelevant to you. For the rest of us, lateral forces are extremely important. It's a stepping stone of the basic foundation of the lean game! Lateral forces is what keeps us from falling off the bike when leaned over. It seems only YOU need a saddle horn to keep you from falling off! Rossi rides at much-much higher level - is a given, but also irrelevant.
Really? So in Igorville skill level doesn't matter when it comes to the need of a saddle horn to keep the rider from falling off? No matter how you slice it - he lost his ANCHORING to the bike in the short clip I am referring to.
The issue I have with that statement is no one knows (Other than the ones living in Igorville) except Rossi if that move was intentional or not but the end result was he saved the bike.
Of course, I am clueless about real riding, so I can only guess what a rider has to do. Let's see, it depends on what tire is losing traction, but there is also a more generic approach. If the front starts pushing (a rider is usually off the gas or slightly on the gas), then more gas needs to be added (to transfer some weight from the front to the rear).
My guess is you have never leaned the bike over far enough to push the front. I am also convinced you have never saved a front tire crash by use of the throttle because you haven't wadded that turbo busa up. Neither you nor your mentor Frank has ever saved a front tire slide by unloading the front with throttle. Even with your Rossi skills and could actually use all the lean angle you have available you can't finesse the throttle with the finite touch required to keep that turbo from putting your arse in the weeds! If the rear is sliding, a rider should do either nothing or slightly reduce gas,
See Belowbut never just close the throttle. In any case, straightening the bike (reducing the bike's lean angle) is the ultimate cure, and this can only be achieved by either widening the line if possible, or by moving the upper body more to the inside. Of course, the more a rider tries to move the upper body to the inside, the harder it might be to stay planted on the bike - because the outside leg cannot be reliably anchored to the bike, and that's what we observed in the video clip. Pushing down on the outside peg is advocated as a way to control sliding, but it is very ineffective... how much weight can you put on the outside peg when your entire body is on the other side... no wonder it's easy to lose your anchoring to the bike. Not to mention that a peg is so close to the bike's CG that pressing on the peg provides very little leverage.
I think you mean the CL not the CG. I'll give you E for effort. I'm not sure where the CG is in Igorville but on my bike its no where near the foot pegs.
Steve, all your long explanation about G-forces is great, but all the planting you are referring to only works if a rider doesn't hang off at all. Then, yes a rider is pressed against the seat with let's say 1.5 G and all is good. Trouble with your logic is that when a rider hangs off, those same 1.5 G pull down whatever hangs off the bike. So, if let's say a 200 lb rider hangs off on a stationary bike, and let's say has to support 100 lb of weight which hangs off, then in turn being in the same position, a rider needs to support 150 lb (1.5 times more) - which of course is a lot harder. So, you see, you seem to know physics, but you don't apply it accurately. Of course, I am only guessing because I don't really know.
Holy sheetzola Gertrude, I didn't know that! So I just did a little experiment. I slid one cheek off my office desk chair just like I do on my bike and with the help of IG (which is now 1G of gravity) I didn't fall. Amazing I tell ya, absolutely amazing!
Off topic, can you teach me how to fly?
No! You have made it clear that experience has no place in Igorville and anything SteveO has to say is irrelevant. You need to stick to motorcycles, you'll live longer. Airplanes are extremely safe but they are also very unforgiving. Your fist mistake can be your last!