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you will want to wait for the busa beater, I mean the 05 gixxer 1K the bike is simply amazing and will hands down beat any liter bike out there in every aspect of the word....
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Bullet... Bro, I gotta say it, WTF? Your selling the Train then just a week later are talking about a new "Wonderliter"
I'll just say this. ALL of the New Liter bikes are going to demand higher levels of skill and commitment to ride quickly safely than the Busa. They have very little inherent stability left in them, wheelbases designed for tight handling, and they will seriously make you suffer over the long haul comfort wise. None of these are necessarily BAD things, just more committed.
OK OK, but seriously, I would class any of the Modern Liter Bikes as "For Advanced Users Only"... We all talk here about what a beast the Busa is and how it can punish the Newbie rider and this is true. It is even truer for the liter bikes, Busa levels of HP with 100LBS less weight and tighter/twitchier handling?
Not a good mix. I have actually recommended to a few folks here and there that were dead set on getting a big bike that they go ahead and get a BUSA as apposed to a New Liter bike because at least the Busa is rock steady and stable with very few surprises. One listened got himself a "Harley Davidson" (WTF? Maybe I overstated my case?) The other got an 04' GSXR1K and guess what happened? Not BS'ing you here Train, just speaking the truth. New GSXR1K, guy has a lifetime of Dirt bike experience and rode a ZX9R for a couple months then decided he had to have a beast...
He got himself into two single bike accidents within about 6 months, stupid shid out in the sticks, Got lucky both times. Got Cocky too, then he ran outta luck, went down hard, busted an ankle, and totaled his bike finally... (Still he got lucky)
Point is the Busa is remarkably forgiving of rookie mistakes, yeah it will smoke your ass, but it also reminds you that your not the master you think you are once in awhile... Keeps you grounded I think. The Busa will just flat out tell you your fuggin it up... My Opinion anyway...
You want to know why I think you enjoyed the 600 so much? Seriously? (You Prolly Don’t want to hear it) It was accessible, it was non-threatening and its mass was much more confidence inspiring. With the amount of miles under your belt it doesn’t surprise me at all that you would find a smaller (Especially Lighter) bike much more enjoyable, more involving. Hell dude, I think this would probably be true for half of the folks here on the board. Thinker asked the question awhile back. “Do you use all the power of the Busa?†Everyone piled on saying “Oh Yeah, all the timeâ€â€¦. Bullsh!t, we have the same folks then asking about why their Busa won’t wheelie, or tell stories about about topping out their Busa’s at 140 or so… there is a crap load of folks on this board that are just plain fuggin scarred of that throttle, and I am willing to bet that many of them are still trying to add more HP simply for the bragging rights… Without a good bit of experience behind you, it (IMO) will be about impossible for a new rider on a Busa or a Liter bike to really work past his/her SR’s, to really get comfortable, to really be able to RIDE that bike and exploit it’s abilities.
When I was riding the Blackbird I would occasionally swap bikes with my Bro and ride his CBR600F4. Every time I did, especially during the first few weeks, I immediately felt more comfortable on the smaller, lighter bike. It took me good while to really settle into the big Honda and get comfortable enough to really begin whooping it. This was after several years on a 750 mind you. The Big “Hyperbikes†are just a psychological hand full and I firmly believe that if you do not have the experience to push through that “Barrier†that you will never really be able to exploit and enjoy the monster bikes. Just read carefully through some of the posts on the board and you’ll see what I am talking about bro. I am not looking down at anyone, I am not pointing fingers, I am not saying that you have to roll everywhere at FWO. What I am saying is that more important than looks, or “Cool Factor†is being honest with one’s self and knowing what you NEED not what you WANT. For instance, I NEED an ASS Kicking… But I don’t WANT one…
Make sense?
So the LOOONGG and short of this is that I would recommend you get a 600 Bro. You’ll save a ton of insurance, and I think you’ll actually have a hell of a lot more fun, and spend way more time wearing out sidewalls, really riding the tits off of it… You mentioned yourself how much you enjoyed it. So, go for it man, there is nothing wrong with simply getting a bike that fits you and your experience and really mastering it, (As Much as Anyone masters any bike). You will be a MUCH better rider after a couple of seasons on a 600 than you would be otherwise, I can promise you that. Hell, if more folks would just get over this Image obsession and be honest with themselves we would see a good number of folks park their Busa’s and step onto a Super Sport. Besides, all of the new Liter bikes are sized about the same as the 600’s anyways so fit isn’t a factor…
Like I said, I think the Liter bikes are going to kick the shid outta your SR’s faster than a Busa ever did…. IMNSHO
You know I am not slamming you or your skills Bro, I think you’re a damn fine person and the fact that your still here testifies to your ability to survive on a Busa. I am just speaking from my own experiences, observations out in the world, and that I remember how hard it was to overcome the conscious and unconscious mental barriers and get comfortable on the big displacement bikes. I mean hell, going from 1200cc’s to 1300ccs after a couple of years off was intimidating enough, or for that matter, just taking a couple weeks off from the Busa and getting back on will make me feel rusty as sh!t and in over my head for 20 miles or so…
So seriously bro, don’t take it as a slam, just take it for what it’s worth. Maybe not much…
OK OK, but seriously, I would class any of the Modern Liter Bikes as "For Advanced Users Only"... We all talk here about what a beast the Busa is and how it can punish the Newbie rider and this is true. It is even truer for the liter bikes, Busa levels of HP with 100LBS less weight and tighter/twitchier handling?
Point is the Busa is remarkably forgiving of rookie mistakes, yeah it will smoke your ass, but it also reminds you that your not the master you think you are once in awhile... Keeps you grounded I think. The Busa will just flat out tell you your fuggin it up... My Opinion anyway...
You want to know why I think you enjoyed the 600 so much? Seriously? (You Prolly Don’t want to hear it) It was accessible, it was non-threatening and its mass was much more confidence inspiring. With the amount of miles under your belt it doesn’t surprise me at all that you would find a smaller (Especially Lighter) bike much more enjoyable, more involving. Hell dude, I think this would probably be true for half of the folks here on the board. Thinker asked the question awhile back. “Do you use all the power of the Busa?†Everyone piled on saying “Oh Yeah, all the timeâ€â€¦. Bullsh!t, we have the same folks then asking about why their Busa won’t wheelie, or tell stories about about topping out their Busa’s at 140 or so… there is a crap load of folks on this board that are just plain fuggin scarred of that throttle, and I am willing to bet that many of them are still trying to add more HP simply for the bragging rights… Without a good bit of experience behind you, it (IMO) will be about impossible for a new rider on a Busa or a Liter bike to really work past his/her SR’s, to really get comfortable, to really be able to RIDE that bike and exploit it’s abilities.
When I was riding the Blackbird I would occasionally swap bikes with my Bro and ride his CBR600F4. Every time I did, especially during the first few weeks, I immediately felt more comfortable on the smaller, lighter bike. It took me good while to really settle into the big Honda and get comfortable enough to really begin whooping it. This was after several years on a 750 mind you. The Big “Hyperbikes†are just a psychological hand full and I firmly believe that if you do not have the experience to push through that “Barrier†that you will never really be able to exploit and enjoy the monster bikes. Just read carefully through some of the posts on the board and you’ll see what I am talking about bro. I am not looking down at anyone, I am not pointing fingers, I am not saying that you have to roll everywhere at FWO. What I am saying is that more important than looks, or “Cool Factor†is being honest with one’s self and knowing what you NEED not what you WANT. For instance, I NEED an ASS Kicking… But I don’t WANT one…
So the LOOONGG and short of this is that I would recommend you get a 600 Bro. You’ll save a ton of insurance, and I think you’ll actually have a hell of a lot more fun, and spend way more time wearing out sidewalls, really riding the tits off of it… You mentioned yourself how much you enjoyed it. So, go for it man, there is nothing wrong with simply getting a bike that fits you and your experience and really mastering it, (As Much as Anyone masters any bike). You will be a MUCH better rider after a couple of seasons on a 600 than you would be otherwise, I can promise you that. Hell, if more folks would just get over this Image obsession and be honest with themselves we would see a good number of folks park their Busa’s and step onto a Super Sport. Besides, all of the new Liter bikes are sized about the same as the 600’s anyways so fit isn’t a factor…
Like I said, I think the Liter bikes are going to kick the shid outta your SR’s faster than a Busa ever did…. IMNSHO
You know I am not slamming you or your skills Bro, I think you’re a damn fine person and the fact that your still here testifies to your ability to survive on a Busa. I am just speaking from my own experiences, observations out in the world, and that I remember how hard it was to overcome the conscious and unconscious mental barriers and get comfortable on the big displacement bikes. I mean hell, going from 1200cc’s to 1300ccs after a couple of years off was intimidating enough, or for that matter, just taking a couple weeks off from the Busa and getting back on will make me feel rusty as sh!t and in over my head for 20 miles or so…
So seriously bro, don’t take it as a slam, just take it for what it’s worth. Maybe not much…
Okay ... I understand your logic and it makes sense to me. I'm doing something very similar myself. My biggest problem is finding someone local to help me learn how to wrench. It is to costly to do the track thing without both riding skills and wrenching skills. Yes I remember when you lowered da Train that one time. And you still haven't unveiled your custom paint designs. As long as you're still riding and happy it is all good ... I think biking is the next best thing to flying ... just pure thrill and happiness !!
So you are still gonna do the custom shop thing right
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So you are still gonna do the custom shop thing right
Now THAT is the Rev I remember. Long winded fugger.
Ya know, without a doubt I'd be happy on a 600 in the corners. After all, the lighter, more nimble handlin' is the major "draw" to the litres for me. We all know that the supersports are even lighter and more agile than the litres in the corners. Then why would I want a litre instead of a 6 you say? Simple, it's the power. Do I need it? Hell no. Would I use it all? Extremely rarely... Then why do I think I "need" it? I'll try to explain.
First of all, it has nothing to do with image. If I'm lovin' my ride, whether it's got two wheels or four, I don't give a shid whether anyone else likes it or not. Same goes for when I DON'T love my ride. One of the worst attributes a ride can have, in my opinion, is a lack of power. Call me stupid, crazy, ignorant, whatever, but for me, if it ain't got more to give once you've got yer fix ya may as well be fuggin' walkin'.
I know from the seat time I'm gettin' on my buddy's 6 that the 600 supersports just ain't got what I want in a bike as far as power is concerned. Let's say we're talkin' cars and I could get a Mini like the one in the stoppie video that would rip up a cone course like that car does, but with the gas to the floor it felt like a slug and left me wantin' more. That'd be the 600. Now let' say that I could get a 500 horsepower corvette that I had to feather around the course at a somewhat slower pace. The ride would no doubt be fun, but the vette is certainly not intended for the course that the lil car rips up and spits out.
Now let's say that I could get a 300 hp turbo Supra or 350Z. For agrument's sake only (I have no idea how a vette handles compared to the hot imports) that the Supra or 350Z still had overkill power for the cone course but would run the course quicker and be more agile than the Corvette while still not rippin' like the Mini. Ok, I run the cone course in the Supra or 350Z and don't use anywhere near the power that is at my disposal but I have fuggin MAJOR fun. Sure, maybe the Mini driver had MORE fun on the cone course, especially doin' the stoppie.
Then we pull out on the highway. Mini guy flat foots it and gets to 70 mph before gettin' rear ended by a Vespa scooter. I pull out and reach cruisin' speed with power in reserve. If the Vespa gets too close I got more. I didn't carve the cone course like he did, but I didn't get rearended by a Vespa either. I'm not feelin' the need to open the door and kick a leg to get more speed to get out of the way.
Then let's say that I'm just rollin' along, out for fun. I come across this nice, long, smooth straight and my need for speed gets the best of me. If I'm in the Mini I flat foot it and again kick a leg to try and eeek out the rush I'm lookin' for. It's like havin' sex and almost reachin' climax but I can't. I get the sounds and smells out of the Mini but not the power. This is where I again say that I may as well be out for a fuggin' walk, bro. I'd rather just know someone who had a real fuggin' ride than to be left wantin' more outta what the fug I'm drivin'/ridin'.
Again, I ain't sayin' that's a good reason to get more power than I need. I'll be the first to admit that it could prolly be best described as infugginsane. Regardless, I can't see myself bein' happy on a 600 for the kind of ridin' I do, even in the mountains. I'm addicted to the power when comin' off those corners I enjoy railin' around. I don't push near as hard as a lot of folks do, but when I push I want somethin' in reserve. I want to meet the challenge of of moderatin' the power at my disposal. I want to be able to push the fuggin' edge when I feel like doin' so.
So, yeah, you're right. The smartest thing I could do as a rider is get a 600. Nobody ever accused me of bein' very smart though when it comes to horsepower. Sorry bro, but I'm a fuggin' junky. Give me POWER or give me a good pair of shoes. It'll prolly be the end of me one of these days, but I'll die with the adrenaline flowin' like a fuckin' river. Wouldn't have it any other way!
Sometimes I wish I could just follow logic, but then other times I think life would suck if you ALWAYS done what's really best for ya. I play it overly safe in a LOT of areas of my life. My rides are gonna be balls out as long as I can afford to buy what I want. I'm not blastin' ya for your excellent post, bro. You hit the nail on the head. I'm just sayin' that I don't use nails when it comes to my rides. I'm usin' screws instead, so yer hammer of common sense and logic just don't move 'em much.
Thanks for takin' the time to lay it out there though. I honestly do appreciate the input. I just wish I had enough sense to take it to heart...
Yep, the shop will be a go by next spring I imagine. Gotta do somethin' about gettin' a cage to drive since mine is about to die, and gotta get back on two, but once those two things are in line my financial focus will turn back to the shop.Okay ... I understand your logic and it makes sense to me. I'm doing something very similar myself. My biggest problem is finding someone local to help me learn how to wrench. It is to costly to do the track thing without both riding skills and wrenching skills. Yes I remember when you lowered da Train that one time. And you still haven't unveiled your custom paint designs. As long as you're still riding and happy it is all good ... I think biking is the next best thing to flying ... just pure thrill and happiness !!
So you are still gonna do the custom shop thing right?
Spoken Like a Fuggin Addict Junkie Mo-Fo...
Yup, yer screwed...
No help for you Bro, but I understand. Logic is one thing... Adrenaline another...
I do understand, though I will argue a little that a 600 will have plenty of HIT once you settle in.... though I get it.
Hell if logic were the only player here, not many of us would have a bike at all... Too Emotional, too Dangerous, not Practical enough... I hear you...
Hope you got what I was trying to say without offense.
In this case I will have to say WAIT... I have it on DECENT authority, that Honda will be coming out with an all NEW High Horsepower V-5 Blackbird in 06'. I don't know any details, but it's supposed to be pretty crazy, (Rumor Rumor). We'll see... My loyalties will be tested if it happens.... And lord help me if it's Black...
Rev
Yup, yer screwed...
I do understand, though I will argue a little that a 600 will have plenty of HIT once you settle in.... though I get it.
Hell if logic were the only player here, not many of us would have a bike at all... Too Emotional, too Dangerous, not Practical enough... I hear you...
Hope you got what I was trying to say without offense.
In this case I will have to say WAIT... I have it on DECENT authority, that Honda will be coming out with an all NEW High Horsepower V-5 Blackbird in 06'. I don't know any details, but it's supposed to be pretty crazy, (Rumor Rumor). We'll see... My loyalties will be tested if it happens.... And lord help me if it's Black...
Rev
Cool ... the storms messed up my plans to bring the bike through your area. I came through Georgia twice in September but I was in the cage. I'm looking forward to riding with you next Spring though and checking your new 1K and the mountains ... yeah !!Yep, the shop will be a go by next spring I imagine. Gotta do somethin' about gettin' a cage to drive since mine is about to die, and gotta get back on two, but once those two things are in line my financial focus will turn back to the shop.Okay ... I understand your logic and it makes sense to me. I'm doing something very similar myself. My biggest problem is finding someone local to help me learn how to wrench. It is to costly to do the track thing without both riding skills and wrenching skills. Yes I remember when you lowered da Train that one time. And you still haven't unveiled your custom paint designs. As long as you're still riding and happy it is all good ... I think biking is the next best thing to flying ... just pure thrill and happiness !!
So you are still gonna do the custom shop thing right?
Yeah, I'm pretty much fugged.Spoken Like a Fuggin Addict Junkie Mo-Fo...
Yup, yer screwed...No help for you Bro, but I understand. Logic is one thing... Adrenaline another...
I do understand, though I will argue a little that a 600 will have plenty of HIT once you settle in.... though I get it.
Hell if logic were the only player here, not many of us would have a bike at all... Too Emotional, too Dangerous, not Practical enough... I hear you...
Hope you got what I was trying to say without offense.
In this case I will have to say WAIT... I have it on DECENT authority, that Honda will be coming out with an all NEW High Horsepower V-5 Blackbird in 06'. I don't know any details, but it's supposed to be pretty crazy, (Rumor Rumor). We'll see... My loyalties will be tested if it happens.... And lord help me if it's Black...
Rev
"Life isn't about arriving safely at death in a well preserved and maintained body..."
Lots of good arguments both ways.
I'm coming in kinda late, but I would lean towards the R1 mainly due to its styling. I've always liked the R1's, but it's hard to argue with the performance of the 10R's.
Good Luck with whatever you decide.
I'm coming in kinda late, but I would lean towards the R1 mainly due to its styling. I've always liked the R1's, but it's hard to argue with the performance of the 10R's.
Good Luck with whatever you decide.
My sales guy that has the R1 is off today so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to check out his bike. I'm headed out the door to work up numbers on a 10R at another dealer (where my bud bought). I'll go check out the R1 tomorrow and see how it feels. I really like how the 10R feels. The R1 will have to feel just as good or better for me to go with it. I agree that the styling is sweet, but I'm gettin' it to ride so feel is more important.Lots of good arguments both ways.
I'm coming in kinda late, but I would lean towards the R1 mainly due to its styling. I've always liked the R1's, but it's hard to argue with the performance of the 10R's.
Good Luck with whatever you decide.
That underseat exhaust and the overall styling of the R1 definitely rocks though!
It's always about what you really feel comfortable with. I can't wait to see what you get and ride with 'ya! Would love to see you get another 'Busa, but you are the one that has to ride it and live with the aftermath. Whichever you get it will be great to see you back on 2 and rollin'!
ZX-10 did decent in AMA Superbike this year for a first year bike, didn't see any factory R-1's and the privateer bikes stayed pretty far back. If your looking for total package I would look seriously at the 10. Its just physically TINY to me though.
I'm coming into this late myself.
BT,
are you planning to pull the trigger on this new bike now, or is this the plan for months later when you get out of debt?
I hope it is the latter rather then the former because the way I'm reading this, you are already out riding this liter bike up in the hills. I hope I don't have to go out and find an emoticon with the rolling eyes, because I will.
Good Luck with your decision.
BT,
are you planning to pull the trigger on this new bike now, or is this the plan for months later when you get out of debt?
I hope it is the latter rather then the former because the way I'm reading this, you are already out riding this liter bike up in the hills. I hope I don't have to go out and find an emoticon with the rolling eyes, because I will.
Good Luck with your decision.
Can't wait to hit The Gap with you two, and whoever else decides to show when we go.
As of this Friday I'll be within 1000 of bein' out of the high credit debt as well as not havin' the busa payment. I'll be down to my house payment ($437/month) and utilities (under $300/month now including internet and DirectTv bills. I'm gonna get another bike almost immediately. In fact, if things work out like it appears they will I may have the litre bike by Saturday evening. Turns out Kawi has extended the $39/month for 24 months at 3.99% financing deal with the remainder at the end of the two years goin' to a fixed 6.99%.I'm coming into this late myself.
BT,
are you planning to pull the trigger on this new bike now, or is this the plan for months later when you get out of debt?
I hope it is the latter rather then the former because the way I'm reading this, you are already out riding this liter bike up in the hills. I hope I don't have to go out and find an emoticon with the rolling eyes, because I will.
Good Luck with your decision.
I went and talked #'s today on an R1 and a 10R. The dealers were much more willing to deal on a 10R than they were on the R1. I had the dealer do a search for a black '04 10R since Kawi was stupid enough to drop black for '05. They found ONE out of state. The dealer is drivin' up to get it Friday. As long as the busa deal doesn't fall through I'll be rollin' on the black 10R by Saturday afternoon. The only thing I'm waitin' on is the money for the busa. I wasn't gonna buy that damned quick, but with no hopes of gettin' an '05 10R I sort of had to change the plan a bit. I'll still be able to knock out the remaining +/- $1k of the high interest debt out within a month's time or so.
So now I'll have a lower bike payment, maybe lower ins since State Farm goes by CC's, VERY little high interest debt left to pay off, and nothin' other than the bike payment, my insurance, and my house payment from there on out. Plus Ill have the black 10R that I wanted as my replacement bike. If I wait the month that it'll take to pay the remaining $1k of card debt off the only black 10R in the friggin' southeast would surely be gone. Since buyin' the 10R now won't make any difference in how long it'll take me to knock out the last $1k I can't see any reason for waitin'...
Now, why would you need that rolleyes emoticon?
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