no more arguing
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Setting all the old tired (yet valid) arguments about the evils of religion in history, the fact is, religion did a huge amount of damage to me personally and to a great many individual people who I know, also personally.
If religion is working for you, more power to you. But if you're of the belief that because I don't subscribe to your religious beliefs or that my disbelief is somehow making the world more evil, I can only say that your own sensibilities are in question in a big way.
Let's put it this way: I've seen just as much good come from non-religious people as from religious people. If it's a discussion of pros and cons, the evidence is simply not there. In other words, you cannot show that religion of any flavor is going to make my life, or anyone else's better.
It's been tried before and failed . . . .
--Wag--
If religion is working for you, more power to you. But if you're of the belief that because I don't subscribe to your religious beliefs or that my disbelief is somehow making the world more evil, I can only say that your own sensibilities are in question in a big way.
Let's put it this way: I've seen just as much good come from non-religious people as from religious people. If it's a discussion of pros and cons, the evidence is simply not there. In other words, you cannot show that religion of any flavor is going to make my life, or anyone else's better.
It's been tried before and failed . . . .
--Wag--
"Young people are growing up less religious and the most religious generations are dying out. At the same time, support for secular government and greater tolerance is rising with each new generation. Or to put it another way: the future looks bright for humanism."
That's good news as far as I'm concerned.
If I'm going to hell (and I'm not Catholic or Christian so I Must Be) all of my friends will meet me there for a very large reunion.
Somehow, my wife and I have raised an open-minded daughter who shows no prejudices, empathizes with others, and knows the difference between right and wrong. How the hell did we manage that without organized religion breathing down our necks and telling us what to think?
That's good news as far as I'm concerned.
If I'm going to hell (and I'm not Catholic or Christian so I Must Be) all of my friends will meet me there for a very large reunion.
Somehow, my wife and I have raised an open-minded daughter who shows no prejudices, empathizes with others, and knows the difference between right and wrong. How the hell did we manage that without organized religion breathing down our necks and telling us what to think?
It should not come as a surprise to any that humanism will grow and religion will die.
Christians will be mocked and laughed at, all will turn against them.
What you all boast and brag about now was prophesied over 2000 years ago. These things must come to pass, nothing can stop it the weak will fall away and the many will become few.
Matthew 24
Signs of the End of the Age
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Christians will be mocked and laughed at, all will turn against them.
What you all boast and brag about now was prophesied over 2000 years ago. These things must come to pass, nothing can stop it the weak will fall away and the many will become few.
Matthew 24
Signs of the End of the Age
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
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Great writeup Ron, so am i safe in assuming you're Christian?
If so, kudos to you my friend, i'm a strong Christian as well. As long as we stay faithful to him, all will be well in the end.
"It's not the job that pays, (life) it's the check, (heaven)."
God loves all of us, we just must be willing to accept Him. All he asks is for you to ask him into your heart and be loyal to Him. It's THAT easy. "From what i've come to understand, i'm NOT the everlasting know-it-all."
A man i look up to in this area, "religion," said... "We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners."
If so, kudos to you my friend, i'm a strong Christian as well. As long as we stay faithful to him, all will be well in the end.
"It's not the job that pays, (life) it's the check, (heaven)."
God loves all of us, we just must be willing to accept Him. All he asks is for you to ask him into your heart and be loyal to Him. It's THAT easy. "From what i've come to understand, i'm NOT the everlasting know-it-all."
A man i look up to in this area, "religion," said... "We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners."
Thanks Lou.(Wag @ Jun. 06 2007,05:56) Yeah, Ron is among a VERY short list of Christians for whom I hold a deep respect.
--Wag--
Things still going good for you and Nan?
Kudos!!
Honestly I think it has to do with common sence. Science is explaining more and more of the world and how things work, as this happens it leaves less and less room for supernatural explination. Kinda like a majic trick is mysterious and awe inspiring untill you know how it's done then it's not that big a deal anymore. We are starting to unravel the majic trick a little at a time so the old explinations of religon are getting harder to swallow as truth, you can see this everytime the world was supposed to end and didn't
It is inevitable that factual knowledge will kill out religon as we know it, good or bad it will happen. Just like children out grow santa clause and the easter bunny, humanity will out grow religon and the belief in gods. It wont be anytime soon and none of us will ever know about it but it will happen.
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It is inevitable that factual knowledge will kill out religon as we know it, good or bad it will happen. Just like children out grow santa clause and the easter bunny, humanity will out grow religon and the belief in gods. It wont be anytime soon and none of us will ever know about it but it will happen.
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So much to add and agree with there, but I'm so done with this argument and have grown tired of the fight...I just do what I feel is right and allow the next guy/gal to do exactly the same for themselves. If religion is what gets many through the day, I'm all for it...if my lack of religious guidance is what guides me, why should anyone else care?
(VaBusa @ Jun. 06 2007,06:40)
Kudos!!That's exactly what I am doing with my 2 young sons...I wrote a "book" on this, but opted to delete it simply because I don't need to give anyone more ammo to fight me...in the end, I think we all have our families' best interests in mind and you want your children to be a productive part of society, to make his/her way in life...we all do tend to disagree on how we get from point A to point B, but in the end, it comes down to personal choices we all make and hopefully we'll all "mesh" and meet somewhere in the middle...
(warwgn @ Jun. 06 2007,07:03) Honestly I think it has to do with common sence. Science is explaining more and more of the world and how things work, as this happens it leaves less and less room for supernatural explination. Kinda like a majic trick is mysterious and awe inspiring untill you know how it's done then it's not that big a deal anymore. We are starting to unravel the majic trick a little at a time so the old explinations of religon are getting harder to swallow as truth, you can see this everytime the world was supposed to end and didn't
It is inevitable that factual knowledge will kill out religon as we know it, good or bad it will happen. Just like children out grow santa clause and the easter bunny, humanity will out grow religon and the belief in gods. It wont be anytime soon and none of us will ever know about it but it will happen.
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Are you saying there isnt a Santa Claus!!!!
Yeah well last year I got to spend the night with Mrs. Claus(warwgn @ Jun. 06 2007,08:14) There wasnt last year
1 A.D. ~ 100 A.D. - Judgement Day New Testament
Jesus told his apostles that the Kingdom of God would come to Earth before the last of them died... Matthew 16:28, Mark 8:39, and Luke 9:27.
Randi 1995:257-258, Bible
992 - Judgement Day Bernard of Thuringia
Randi 1995:258
1000, Jan - Second Coming ?
Rubinsky 1982:64-65, Mackay 1841:257, Randi 1995:258
1033 - Second Coming Raoul Glaber
Rubinsky 1982:66-67, Randi 1995:258
1186, Sep - Astrological Alignment John of Toledo
Randi 1995:258-259
1260 - Judgement Day Monk Joachim and the Joachites
Rubinsky 1982:77-80, Randi 1995:259
1265 - Judgement Day Prestor John
Rubinsky 1982:84
1345 - Judgement Day ?
Mackay 1841:258
1350 - Judgement Day ?
Mackay 1841:258
1381 - Judgement Day The Peasants' Revolt
Rubinsky 1982:84
1420 - Judgement Day The Taborites
Rubinsky 1982:88
1524, Feb 1 - Second Great Flood Astrologers, various
Randi 1995:259
1524, Feb 20 - Second Great Flood Johannes Stoeffler
Randi 1995:259-260
1528 - Second Great Flood Johannes Stoeffler
Randi 1995:260
1532 - End of the World Frederick Nausea
Randi 1995:260
1533 - Judgement Day Melchior Hoffmann
Randi 1995:260-261
1533, Oct 3, 8 a.m. - Judgement Day Michael Stifel/Stifelius
Randi 1995:260
1534 - Judgement Day Matthysz
Randi 1995:261
1537 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1544 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1584 - End of the World Cyprian Leowitz
Randi 1995:261
1588 - End of the World Johann Muller/Regiomontanus
Randi 1995:261-262
1624, Feb 1 - Second Great Flood Astrologers, various
Randi 1995:258
1648 - Second Coming Rabbi Sabbati Zevi
Randi 1995:262
1654 - End of the World Helisaeus Roeslin of Alsace
Randi 1995:262
1654, Aug 12 - End of the World ?
Randi 1995:262
1656 - Judgement Day Columbus
Yes, the same guy credited with finding the Americas for Spain.
Rubinsky 1982:91
1657 - Judgement Day The Fifth Monarchy Men
Rubinsky 1982:93
1665 - End of the World Solomon Eccles
Randi 1995:262
1666 - Second Coming Rabbi Sabbati Zevi
Randi 1995:262
1704 - End of the World Cardinal Nicholas de Cusa
Randi 1995:263
1719, May 19 - Comet Collision Jacques Bernoulli
Randi 1995:263
1736, Oct. 13 - Judgement Day Whiston
Mackay 1841:258-259, Randi 1995:263
1757 - End of the World Emanuel Swedenborg
Randi 1995:263
1761, April 5 - Judgement Day William Bell
Rubinsky 1982:110, Mackay 1841:259, Randi 1995:263
1774 - Second Coming Joanna Southcott
Randi 1995:263-264
1801 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1806 - Second Coming Chicken Egg
Rubinsky 1982:113, Mackay 1841:260
1814 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1832 - Comet Collision Scientific Guess
Mackay 1841:258
1843, April 3 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, RD 1976:516, Randi 1995:264
1843, July 7 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, Randi 1995:264
1844, March 21 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, RD 1976:516, Randi 1995:264
1844, Oct. 22 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, RD 1976:516, Randi 1995:264
1874 - End of the World Charles Taze Russell
ANOMALIES Note: This date appears to be an error on James Randi's part. This is in fact the date on which Charles Taze Russell made a prediction, not a date he predicted. It was on this day that Russell predicted that Jesus would return to Earth in the year 1914.
Randi 1995:265
1881 - End of the World ?
This was based on measurements made of the Pyramids of Giza, with the belief that they hold an encoded future history.
Randi 1995:265
1881 - End of the World Mother Shipton
Randi 1995:265
1890 - New World Begins The Ghost Dance Movement
Rubinsky 1982:107
1914 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998, Rubinsky 1982:118, Randi 1995:265
1918 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1920 - Second Coming Col. J. Garnier
Gardner 1952:157
1920, Feb. - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1925 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1936 - End of the World ?
This was based on measurements made of the Pyramids of Giza, with the belief that they hold an encoded future history.
Randi 1995:265
1941 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1947 - End of the World John Ballou
Randi 1995:265-266
1948 - Judgement Day Millerites
Watanabe 1999b
1953 - End of the World ?
This was based on measurements made of the Pyramids of Giza, with the belief that they hold an encoded future history.
Randi 1995:265
1972 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1975 - Second Coming Herbert Armstrong/Worldwide Church of God
Watanabe 1999b
1975 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998, Randi 1995:265
1977 - End of the World John Wroe
Randi 1995:266
1980, Dec 31 - End of the World Old Arabic astronomical calculation
Randi 1995:267
1982, Mar 10 - Harmonic alignment ?
The idea was that when all the planets in the solar system lined up just right, the resulting gravitational stresses would devestate the Earth.
Rubinsky 1982:148-149, Randi 1995:266
1986 - World War III? Nostradamus
Cheetham 1973:88,91
1989 - Judgement Day Implied (accidently?) by Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
In an 1988 issue of Awake! magazine published by Watchtower, which had the question "Are We In The Last Days?" on the cover, an article discussing the long held belief that the end would come within the lifespan of those followers who were alive in 1914 mentioned that 75 years was generally considered a normal lifespan... 1914 + 75 = 1989.
Branch 1998, Williamson 1999
1992 - Judgement Day Korean Christian prediction
AP 1995 Apr. 16
1994, September - Judgement Day Harold Camping, Family Radio Network
Macklin 1994
1994, Oct. 2 - Judgement Day Harold Camping, Family Radio Network
Macklin 1994
1995, April 16 - Judgement Day Korean Christian prediction
AP 1995 Apr. 16
1996 - End of the World ?
Randi 1995:267
1999, July - Antichrist Nostradamus
Rubinsky 1982:89, RD 1976:515, Randi 1995:267
2000 - World War III and Antichrist Nostradamus
Cheetham 1973:417
2000, Jan 1 - 2000/1900 date error in computers American Mass Media
Watanabe 1999a, 1999b
2002, June 21 - Second Coming Nostradamus
Rubinsky 1982:89
2100 - Environmental Crash ?
Rubinsky 1982:148
Jesus told his apostles that the Kingdom of God would come to Earth before the last of them died... Matthew 16:28, Mark 8:39, and Luke 9:27.
Randi 1995:257-258, Bible
992 - Judgement Day Bernard of Thuringia
Randi 1995:258
1000, Jan - Second Coming ?
Rubinsky 1982:64-65, Mackay 1841:257, Randi 1995:258
1033 - Second Coming Raoul Glaber
Rubinsky 1982:66-67, Randi 1995:258
1186, Sep - Astrological Alignment John of Toledo
Randi 1995:258-259
1260 - Judgement Day Monk Joachim and the Joachites
Rubinsky 1982:77-80, Randi 1995:259
1265 - Judgement Day Prestor John
Rubinsky 1982:84
1345 - Judgement Day ?
Mackay 1841:258
1350 - Judgement Day ?
Mackay 1841:258
1381 - Judgement Day The Peasants' Revolt
Rubinsky 1982:84
1420 - Judgement Day The Taborites
Rubinsky 1982:88
1524, Feb 1 - Second Great Flood Astrologers, various
Randi 1995:259
1524, Feb 20 - Second Great Flood Johannes Stoeffler
Randi 1995:259-260
1528 - Second Great Flood Johannes Stoeffler
Randi 1995:260
1532 - End of the World Frederick Nausea
Randi 1995:260
1533 - Judgement Day Melchior Hoffmann
Randi 1995:260-261
1533, Oct 3, 8 a.m. - Judgement Day Michael Stifel/Stifelius
Randi 1995:260
1534 - Judgement Day Matthysz
Randi 1995:261
1537 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1544 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1584 - End of the World Cyprian Leowitz
Randi 1995:261
1588 - End of the World Johann Muller/Regiomontanus
Randi 1995:261-262
1624, Feb 1 - Second Great Flood Astrologers, various
Randi 1995:258
1648 - Second Coming Rabbi Sabbati Zevi
Randi 1995:262
1654 - End of the World Helisaeus Roeslin of Alsace
Randi 1995:262
1654, Aug 12 - End of the World ?
Randi 1995:262
1656 - Judgement Day Columbus
Yes, the same guy credited with finding the Americas for Spain.
Rubinsky 1982:91
1657 - Judgement Day The Fifth Monarchy Men
Rubinsky 1982:93
1665 - End of the World Solomon Eccles
Randi 1995:262
1666 - Second Coming Rabbi Sabbati Zevi
Randi 1995:262
1704 - End of the World Cardinal Nicholas de Cusa
Randi 1995:263
1719, May 19 - Comet Collision Jacques Bernoulli
Randi 1995:263
1736, Oct. 13 - Judgement Day Whiston
Mackay 1841:258-259, Randi 1995:263
1757 - End of the World Emanuel Swedenborg
Randi 1995:263
1761, April 5 - Judgement Day William Bell
Rubinsky 1982:110, Mackay 1841:259, Randi 1995:263
1774 - Second Coming Joanna Southcott
Randi 1995:263-264
1801 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1806 - Second Coming Chicken Egg
Rubinsky 1982:113, Mackay 1841:260
1814 - Judgement Day Pierre Turrel
Randi 1995:261
1832 - Comet Collision Scientific Guess
Mackay 1841:258
1843, April 3 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, RD 1976:516, Randi 1995:264
1843, July 7 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, Randi 1995:264
1844, March 21 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, RD 1976:516, Randi 1995:264
1844, Oct. 22 - Judgement Day William Miller
Rubinsky 1982:115, RD 1976:516, Randi 1995:264
1874 - End of the World Charles Taze Russell
ANOMALIES Note: This date appears to be an error on James Randi's part. This is in fact the date on which Charles Taze Russell made a prediction, not a date he predicted. It was on this day that Russell predicted that Jesus would return to Earth in the year 1914.
Randi 1995:265
1881 - End of the World ?
This was based on measurements made of the Pyramids of Giza, with the belief that they hold an encoded future history.
Randi 1995:265
1881 - End of the World Mother Shipton
Randi 1995:265
1890 - New World Begins The Ghost Dance Movement
Rubinsky 1982:107
1914 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998, Rubinsky 1982:118, Randi 1995:265
1918 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1920 - Second Coming Col. J. Garnier
Gardner 1952:157
1920, Feb. - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1925 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1936 - End of the World ?
This was based on measurements made of the Pyramids of Giza, with the belief that they hold an encoded future history.
Randi 1995:265
1941 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1947 - End of the World John Ballou
Randi 1995:265-266
1948 - Judgement Day Millerites
Watanabe 1999b
1953 - End of the World ?
This was based on measurements made of the Pyramids of Giza, with the belief that they hold an encoded future history.
Randi 1995:265
1972 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998
1975 - Second Coming Herbert Armstrong/Worldwide Church of God
Watanabe 1999b
1975 - Judgement Day Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
Branch 1998, Randi 1995:265
1977 - End of the World John Wroe
Randi 1995:266
1980, Dec 31 - End of the World Old Arabic astronomical calculation
Randi 1995:267
1982, Mar 10 - Harmonic alignment ?
The idea was that when all the planets in the solar system lined up just right, the resulting gravitational stresses would devestate the Earth.
Rubinsky 1982:148-149, Randi 1995:266
1986 - World War III? Nostradamus
Cheetham 1973:88,91
1989 - Judgement Day Implied (accidently?) by Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses
In an 1988 issue of Awake! magazine published by Watchtower, which had the question "Are We In The Last Days?" on the cover, an article discussing the long held belief that the end would come within the lifespan of those followers who were alive in 1914 mentioned that 75 years was generally considered a normal lifespan... 1914 + 75 = 1989.
Branch 1998, Williamson 1999
1992 - Judgement Day Korean Christian prediction
AP 1995 Apr. 16
1994, September - Judgement Day Harold Camping, Family Radio Network
Macklin 1994
1994, Oct. 2 - Judgement Day Harold Camping, Family Radio Network
Macklin 1994
1995, April 16 - Judgement Day Korean Christian prediction
AP 1995 Apr. 16
1996 - End of the World ?
Randi 1995:267
1999, July - Antichrist Nostradamus
Rubinsky 1982:89, RD 1976:515, Randi 1995:267
2000 - World War III and Antichrist Nostradamus
Cheetham 1973:417
2000, Jan 1 - 2000/1900 date error in computers American Mass Media
Watanabe 1999a, 1999b
2002, June 21 - Second Coming Nostradamus
Rubinsky 1982:89
2100 - Environmental Crash ?
Rubinsky 1982:148
My father grew up being surrounded by friends that just knew the end of the world was coming...he vividly recalls so many never even finished up high school because their parents convinced them they'd be gone soon anyway, so why bother
Those stories from my Dad have always stuck with me and he often wonders what happened to those kids with their entire lives ahead of them...odd...
Those stories from my Dad have always stuck with me and he often wonders what happened to those kids with their entire lives ahead of them...odd...
That is one of the problem with Christians. Christians often do things that are not of the leading by God and they screw everything up.
Marc 13.32 flat out states:
The Day and Hour Unknown
32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on guard! Be alert[f]! You do not know when that time will come. 34It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.
35"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 36If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "
So the bible that Chrisitans read and are supposed to know flat out tells everyone that NO ONE, not even Jesus will know the day or the hour until that time comes.
So any Christian that predicts when the world will end, when Jesus will come back or anything pertaining to this issue is not only in confflict with docterine but they become a stumbling block for others and a hinderance to God
Uhh errrrr just thought I would throw that out there. So yeah, Christians have really screwed up and have caused alot of generations grief because of this
Marc 13.32 flat out states:
The Day and Hour Unknown
32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on guard! Be alert[f]! You do not know when that time will come. 34It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.
35"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 36If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "
So the bible that Chrisitans read and are supposed to know flat out tells everyone that NO ONE, not even Jesus will know the day or the hour until that time comes.
So any Christian that predicts when the world will end, when Jesus will come back or anything pertaining to this issue is not only in confflict with docterine but they become a stumbling block for others and a hinderance to God
Uhh errrrr just thought I would throw that out there. So yeah, Christians have really screwed up and have caused alot of generations grief because of this
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