Not to start trouble

[captain]

cap so i take it you are a ferm believer that we are over there protecting our way of life, and its not a political move for bush. i think we have been fooled again and are being used as  a exstension of his political pen, but thats my opinion [/QUOTE] Have we had a single attack on our soil since the Sept 11 attacks ? Do you think that for a single minute the terrorist have stopped trying to devise a way to hit us as a country again? I hope you have not, we took the battle to them, on their soil, we have taken away their infrastructure and ability to move freely. As long as we are disrupting them and keeping them from working together we create a safer environment here in the US..... Are we vulnerable here at home ABSOLUTELY, are there ignorant government regulations that seem to hold up security ABSOLUTELY........ How many men, women and children have we saved by taking this fight to them? If cost is your main concern then I think you have your priorities in the wrong order, we must win at ALL cost.. We have not had to ration anything, name one thing that we as citizens have had to ration to take this war on... In WWII coffee, flour, rubber, gasoline, on and on and on... We have become so complacent as a country that I dont think that most of us consider this a war but an inconvenience. We must stop the terrorist on our terms on our timeline....

Dude you need to quit over analying everything and keep it simple.  War is nothing but an good excuse to make money and gain power.[/QUOTE]
Once again I ask what are you willing to sacrifice, one of the priviledges of being a citizen of this country is power.... Are you willing to lose part of your way of life to the terrorist? You guys all crack me up... You make it sound like the government and the oil companies are all one single person.... Do you think for a minute that there are not janitors, maintenance truck drivers, managers, call centers, accountants, marketing, sales, all sorts of jobs with the oil companies that employ thousands of Americans.... I guess if you are employed by an oil company that makes you the EVIL empire, what about stock holders? Are they evil too? Go buy some stock........  This is America you can do anything you want, even cry that your underpriveladged and weak.... People need to stand up and get some self respect and know that regardless if you are black, white, Asian you have what it takes to make this life what you want it.. You just have to have the determination to go and get it.

CAp

How do you argue with facts....

 

[dudewizr]

Up to this point I have done a pretty good job of ignoring the media twist that always comes of these situations. Government conspiracy theories, racism, finger pointing and finding someone to blame, when did any of this ever do anything to fix the problem? When did the answers to these tactics prevent further catastrophies from occuring? I have yet to wake up and listen to the news and they say "the results of the 9/11 commision prevented another terrorist attack on our soil today" or "local governing officials took action and prevented 10,000 from dying of natural disaster", it aint gonna happen people.

And now you guys just had to go and pollute the one area of the internet I felt would be immune to this crap. Don't look now guys but everyone has fecal matter on their hands and has contributed to discord amongst the board.

I heard a aguy say one time "I'm not racist, I hate everyone". Who cares if you are a racist or not, if you are a hater. Mosaic law said to love your neighbor as you love yourself, but Jesus said to also love your enemies. How can so many people throw out statements like "prayers sent, prayers on the way, i'll pray for you bro'" like playing cards at a poker tournament and then turn around and bash local government and each other.

Their is so much criticism and hypocracy floating around here that there will never be progress.

The problem in the disaster areas isn't fixed with more money or finding the blame. The people effected need Jesus period.

This is not a country Under God, and that is SAD!

have a great day!

 

[Rhythm]

I've said what I had to say. Good luck !

 

[Devious]

How can so many people throw out statements like "prayers sent, prayers on the way, i'll pray for you bro'" like playing cards at a poker tournament and then turn around and bash local government and each other.

That's FREEDOM my friend. We can talk trash to each other all day long. But pity the fool from outside who does the same to us.

 

[Gunnybusa]

Dude share the popcorn.

 

[Mr Brown]

Brian, what is your point with this post? To post something like this is pointless. All it does is reveal your true thinking. To start off with a claim of not wanting to start controversy is akin to me saying I don't want to start a fight and then slapping your wife.
Everyone with any power of independent thought knows that the Mayor, Governor and all the elected officials are to blame for this. Your article claims that the plan they had, even if executed would have probably failed anyway. Why would someone say that? The implication there is clearly that the author and obviously you also, think that black people are incapable of taking care of themselves. That is insulting and ridiculous. These statements and the fact that you believe in them enough to bring them up again show your true colors. You and all the people that share your viewpoint sicken me. People are dead and all you can do is cry about who did/didn't do what. Who gives a $hit who is to blame? What the f@#k does that that prove at this point? The time for assessing blame will come after the damage is cleaned up, the people helped and the city protected and rebuilt. There's plenty of blame to go around. Once you get older Brian, I hope you will understand the racial, social and economic factors that impact politics a little better.

Sorry Mr Brown but race baiting isn't gonna work on this one or this board. Get off your trip of black people can't take care of them selves garbage. No body said that other than you. The article is right on and yes Bush bears some blame as the buck ultimately stops at his desk.

The coruption in NO, the absolute incompetence of the Mayor and Governor, and there state Senators are to blame for this mess. Oh and guess what, the people are to blame as well in a lot of cases, black and white.

Your trying to minimize this discussion by going the J.Jackson route and race baiting it is rediculous.

If you consider my responding to a post race baiting, then you need a reality check. The comments contained in the post show where the author stands. The implication that the mayor of N.O. was incapable of rescuing his citizens because he's black is clear. The topic was brought up again purely to further exacerbate the already tired issue of race relations and the tragedy that has affected the people of the Gulf Coast. The weak disclaimer in the title is ridiculous. I didn't bring this up, I simply responded. Seems as if you are offended by my response. I wonder why that is? You know nothing of me personally, yet presume that I am a person who wants racial discord, particularly on this board.
To go the "Jesse Jackson route" as you put it, is contrary to what I said. If you had actually read the reply, before engaging in your favorite mental olympic event -jumping to conclusions- you would have realized this. If you knew anything about me, you would realize why I find your thinking me a race-baiter so funny. Just because you don't care for me or my opinions, don't make the mistake of thinking that I fit anywhere you care to categorize me. I have a unique perspective on the issue of race, but unfortunately for some, am not the type to simply say nothing when I notice an underlying theme. You really should do a little more research before you decide what and who I am.
I refuse to swallow the words of armchair quarterbacks and blind conservatives when it comes to certain issues, and race is one of them. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan are doing themselves and other black people a great disservice by implying that this was race-based and/or planned. That is patently ridiculous. However the fact that the racial aspect of this tragedy is even a point of discussion, let alone a topic of heated debate just goes to show how far we still have to go in this country.
As far as you thinking the article is right on, well that just shows where your head really is, doesn't it?

 

[Projekt]

Have we had a single attack on our soil since the Sept 11 attacks ? Do you think that for a single minute the terrorist have stopped trying to devise a way to hit us as a country again? I hope you have not, we took the battle to them, on their soil, we have taken away their infrastructure and ability to move freely. As long as we are disrupting them and keeping them from working together we create a safer environment here in the US..... Are we vulnerable here at home ABSOLUTELY, are there ignorant government regulations that seem to hold up security ABSOLUTELY........ How many men, women and children have we saved by taking this fight to them? If cost is your main concern then I think you have your priorities in the wrong order, we must win at ALL cost.. We have not had to ration anything, name one thing that we as citizens have had to ration to take this war on... In WWII coffee, flour, rubber, gasoline, on and on and on... We have become so complacent as a country that I dont think that most of us consider this a war but an inconvenience. We must stop the terrorist on our terms on our timeline....

Let's not compare this war in Iraq with WWII. Let's not talk about rationing anything so as to allude to some sort of wholesome mission going on.
This war and September 11 is a direct result of the elder Bush's activities something like 22 or more years ago.
At that time he and Weinberger with the nod of Reagan made friends with Saddam Hussein in order to thwart the oncoming threat of Fundamentalist Islam from further east (Iran). They armed Iraq and gave Hussein the seeds (weapons, training) and fertilizer (money) to grow into the tyrant he became. Fast forward a few years and he invaded Kuwait.
We went and spanked him for it. Leaving many troops in Saudi Arabia.
One rich wacko (Bin Laden) goes and uses that as an excuse to mount a Jihad and boom you have Sept 11. That leads us to do some ass kicking in Afghanistan. Then well what the hell the troops are already over there, let's clean-up dad's mess in Iraq...
Please don't tell me that is a gallant mission.
They are simply cultivating the replacement for the Communism based cold-war which has become Global Terrorism based on Fundamentalist Islam. What's next? I wonder... War with hhmmm EU over who's got the best beer?

 

[captain]

How can you not compare this war to WWII both had dictators that created situations that would cause negative repercussions for the US if we did not act. One thing that does not compare is in 1941 people were not afraid to stand up for what they new was right. Today we simply want to close our borders and think that we are safer then when we when we had reasons to be abroad.

Then well what the hell the troops are already over there, let's clean-up dad's mess in Iraq...[/QUOTE]
Here we are right back to everything being the presidents fault, what about congress' approval to take action.... Everyone seems to forget that...... Bush had the same information that Congress did, republican and democrat and they all agreed in the best interest of the nation.....

If you remember Norman Schwarzkopf wanted to go and take Saddam out in 90 - 91 but because of the UN agreement we could only force him out of Kuwait... We tried to do get UN support and we were neutered to finish Saddam then. And everyone wants to beat GW up because he didnt use the UN... The last time the US tried it we were limited on what we could do.......

CAP

 

[rubbersidedown]

i dunno boys....maybe its time for the the ol bastid to check in. Ya, the ol bastid with the head injury.

you guys are pissin' an' moanin' about nothing.

Its interpretation. Media slide shows. The "Six O'clock Scare(news)"

Its brain washing. Its personal beliefs.Its reality. Its bullshid. It just depends on which paper lands on yer doorstep...and which page you open it too. You boys are arguin' with one another about shid that will never change. Some are just doomed to be VICTIMS.

they will always see themselves as victims.

I'm not talkin' bout the hurricane victims, I'm talkin' bout the people that wont ever move on. They will always be the victims. Always the oppressed. Always the downtrodden.

Give this a try.... I've had to... its called reality.


Are folks really trying so hard to keep YOU down.


Fug no. They're watchin' MTV,the Grammys, and some other shid. They are playin' on the 'puter. Takin' kids to soccer practice. Gettin' groceries. Working. Mowing the lawn.

I'm not possitive.... but I don't think anybody(from the general public) is trying to "Keep you down".

or.... blowing up dykes....

unless its a blow-up-doll named Greta....


I dunno.... I'll just sit here an' chill. Wait for the whole mess to blow over.

 

[rubbersidedown]

i also feel that this thread was just started to convey a thing.... a thing that was read. not a thing that was dreamed up, or an idea thats lived by... just an' article that was read.

I'm not positive....but I believe its just an article that was tossed out....

and blown way outa porpotion.

Just a thought.


o ya....


fug you.


RSD.

 

[BrianKesler]

Your article claims that the plan they had, even if executed would have probably failed anyway.

First off, this isnt my article, like i said, its an article from a newspaper out of New Orleans.


Why would someone say that? The implication there is clearly that the author and obviously you also, think that black people are incapable of taking care of themselves.


Second, show me where in the article that it says he failed because he is black. It doesnt matter what color he is, he failed.


As for all the other nonsence you said, the city is being cleaned up, and now it is time to figure out who is to blame. You cant blame anyone for the hurricane, but there is blame on certrain people for not doing what needed to be done to save lives. (shipping the people who didnt have a way out in buses) It has nothing to do with color, race, wealth or anything else. The local government did not fail only 1 group of individuals, it failed everyone in the city.

 

[BrianKesler]

The topic was brought up again purely to further exacerbate the already tired issue of race relations and the tragedy that has affected the people of the Gulf Coast.


You know nothing of me personally, yet presume that I am a person who wants racial discord, particularly on this board.
As far as you thinking the article is right on, well that just shows where your head really is, doesn't it?

This topic was brought up not to start another racial debate (which youve made it Mr Brown) but to show what people in New Orleans think. I understand this is one persons opinion, but by him saying that there are already petitions going around to get the mayor tossed out, i have to believe that other people in the city agree with him.

Weather you want to believe it or not, i dont feel that there are any racist people on the board, just people with different views. I personally think that none of this is race related, there were more than just black people left hungry and with no place to go.

 

[Busa_05]

Another point that you will not hear in the mass media is that an action to rebuild and strengthen the levies that failed was squashed 20 years ago by a group of tree huggers that were worried about the impact the construction would have on the local wildlife. I hope the F'n tree huggers died along with the wildlife they ultimately sentenced to death. THAT would be justice!

ha ha...

"tree huggers..." I love that little phrase.

Not getting everything else, though...this is a heated debate.

 

[justintime2]

Brian, what is your point with this post? To post something like this is pointless. All it does is reveal your true thinking. To start off with a claim of not wanting to start controversy is akin to me saying I don't want to start a fight and then slapping your wife.
Everyone with any power of independent thought knows that the Mayor, Governor and all the elected officials are to blame for this. Your article claims that the plan they had, even if executed would have probably failed anyway. Why would someone say that? The implication there is clearly that the author and obviously you also, think that black people are incapable of taking care of themselves. That is insulting and ridiculous. These statements and the fact that you believe in them enough to bring them up again show your true colors. You and all the people that share your viewpoint sicken me. People are dead and all you can do is cry about who did/didn't do what. Who gives a $hit who is to blame? What the f@#k does that that prove at this point? The time for assessing blame will come after the damage is cleaned up, the people helped and the city protected and rebuilt. There's plenty of blame to go around. Once you get older Brian, I hope you will understand the racial, social and economic factors that impact politics a little better.

Sorry Mr Brown but race baiting isn't gonna work on this one or this board. Get off your trip of black people can't take care of them selves garbage. No body said that other than you. The article is right on and yes Bush bears some blame as the buck ultimately stops at his desk.

The coruption in NO, the absolute incompetence of the Mayor and Governor, and there state Senators are to blame for this mess. Oh and guess what, the people are to blame as well in a lot of cases, black and white.

Your trying to minimize this discussion by going the J.Jackson route and race baiting it is rediculous.

If you consider my responding to a post race baiting, then you need a reality check. The comments contained in the post show where the author stands. The implication that the mayor of N.O. was incapable of rescuing his citizens because he's black is clear. The topic was brought up again purely to further exacerbate the already tired issue of race relations and the tragedy that has affected the people of the Gulf Coast. The weak disclaimer in the title is ridiculous. I didn't bring this up, I simply responded. Seems as if you are offended by my response. I wonder why that is? You know nothing of me personally, yet presume that I am a person who wants racial discord, particularly on this board.
To go the "Jesse Jackson route" as you put it, is contrary to what I said. If you had actually read the reply, before engaging in your favorite mental olympic event -jumping to conclusions- you would have realized this. If you knew anything about me, you would realize why I find your thinking me a race-baiter so funny. Just because you don't care for me or my opinions, don't make the mistake of thinking that I fit anywhere you care to categorize me. I have a unique perspective on the issue of race, but unfortunately for some, am not the type to simply say nothing when I notice an underlying theme. You really should do a little more research before you decide what and who I am.
I refuse to swallow the words of armchair quarterbacks and blind conservatives when it comes to certain issues, and race is one of them. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan are doing themselves and other black people a great disservice by implying that this was race-based and/or planned. That is patently ridiculous. However the fact that the racial aspect of this tragedy is even a point of discussion, let alone a topic of heated debate just goes to show how far we still have to go in this country.
As far as you thinking the article is right on, well that just shows where your head really is, doesn't it?

Mr. Brown your comments are such a joke. You come in flaming away once again and then try to retreat to your 'oh I didn't mean it that way and you are judging me' crap.

The simple fact of the matter is you call him a racist in your first post and you call me one in your second. I'm not going to go through the trouble of qouting all your non-sense, you and everyone else can read it for themselves.

Your don't label me, don't categorize me crap is repulsive and you hide behind it every time. Seriously dude, look at what you are accusing others in your post of doing and then you do that very thing in your own.

I did not call you a racist like you did me, the poster, and the author, I said you were race baiting the issue which is spot on. You put yourself in your own box constantly with your non-sense. you said "You really should do a little more research before you decide what and who I am." WOW, how much research did you do on the thread starter, me and the author before you poped off?

I thank god everytime I see you post non-sense of this type that people like you are not in higher office making decisions that affect the rest of us in this nation. I hope your role in life politically is relegated to an audience of yourself and your fellow nay sayers.  

 

[Projekt]

i dunno boys....maybe its time for the the ol bastid to check in. Ya, the ol bastid with the head injury.

 you guys are pissin' an' moanin' about nothing.

Its interpretation. Media slide shows. The "Six O'clock Scare(news)"

Its brain washing. Its personal beliefs.Its reality. Its bullshid. It just depends on which paper lands on yer doorstep...and which page you open it too.  You boys are arguin' with one another about shid that will never change. Some are just doomed to be VICTIMS.

  they will always see themselves as victims.

 I'm not talkin' bout the hurricane victims, I'm talkin' bout the people that wont ever move on. They will always be the victims. Always the oppressed. Always the downtrodden.

  Give this a try....   I've had to...  its called reality.


 Are folks really trying so hard to keep YOU down.


  Fug no. They're watchin' MTV,the Grammys, and some other shid. They are playin' on the 'puter. Takin' kids to soccer practice. Gettin' groceries. Working. Mowing the lawn.

   I'm not possitive....  but I don't think anybody(from the general public) is trying to "Keep you down".

    or....  blowing up dykes....

    unless its a blow-up-doll named Greta....


   I dunno....  I'll just sit here an' chill.  Wait for the whole mess to blow  over.

You sure are right about that. Things won't change because they don't bother anybody as a group enough to be motivated to change them.

 

[Projekt]

How can you not compare this war to WWII both had dictators that created situations that would cause negative repercussions for the US if we did not act. One thing that does not compare is in 1941 people were not afraid to stand up for what they new was right. Today we simply want to close our borders and think that we are safer then when we when we had reasons to be abroad.

Then well what the hell the troops are already over there, let's clean-up dad's mess in Iraq...

Here we are right back to everything being the presidents fault, what about congress' approval to take action.... Everyone seems to forget that...... Bush had the same information that Congress did, republican and democrat and they all agreed in the best interest of the nation.....

If you remember Norman Schwarzkopf wanted to go and take Saddam out in 90 - 91 but because of the UN agreement we could only force him out of Kuwait... We tried to do get UN support and we were neutered to finish Saddam then. And everyone wants to beat GW up because he didnt use the UN... The last time the US tried it we were limited on what we could do.......

CAP[/QUOTE]
This war is no comparison to WWII. It should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as WWII. The cause of WWII was a pissed off guy bent on taking over the world. He wanted to exterminate (and did so to a large extent) Jews because he thought that they oppressed him. He motivated citizens of the Nation he ruled to fight for his teachings based on bias and bigotry. He made people burn books and forget the teachings within.
Saddam Hussein however is a monster that the US has sole credit for creating. All of the attrocities that he committed were ignored because he was doing a good job thwarting the Eastern threat. When he let his sons have their way with any women that they chose to have the US looked the other way. When he was feeding people to lions the US looked the other way. However, when he decided to conquer another nation, that happened to produce something the US was interested in (Petroleum) we sure reacted. Now he was threatening stability and out of our control. He was thumbing his nose at us. No, how could that be. His troops used to train alongside ours. In our military schools, on our bases, with our gear. They learned our tactics, although not too well. We made him, and we had to end him.
Shwarzkopf was only a puppet for all of the leaders in business suits in the Pentagon and the White House. He was acting on orders and being groomed into a hero.
More BS if you ask me...

 

[diesel]

BRIAN KESLER FOR PRESIDENT!

 

[Mr Brown]

The simple fact of the matter is you call him a racist in your first post and you call me one in your second. I'm not going to go through the trouble of qouting all your non-sense, you and everyone else can read it for themselves.

Your don't label me, don't categorize me crap is repulsive and you hide behind it every time. Seriously dude, look at what you are accusing others in your post of doing and then you do that very thing in your own.

I did not call you a racist like you did me, the poster, and the author, I said you were race baiting the issue which is spot on. You put yourself in your own box constantly with your non-sense. you said "You really should do a little more research before you decide what and who I am." WOW, how much research did you do on the thread starter, me and the author before you poped off?

I thank god everytime I see you post non-sense of this type that people like you are not in higher office making decisions that affect the rest of us in this nation. I hope your role in life politically is relegated to an audience of yourself and your fellow nay sayers.  

If you think I'm calling you and Brian racist, hey if the shoe fits...... I see no other reason for continuing to bring up articles like this one, and based on things you and Brian have posted in the past, your mindset is obvious. If someone calls me something I'm not, it doesn't bother me a bit. Why are you so offended if it's not true?
Why do you find my telling you not to label me "repulsive"? That's a little dramatic, don't ya think? Just cuz I don't say "Yassuh Mr Justin Suh"? Tell me, where exactly should I be categorized in your eyes? What label do you think I should have?
Define race-baiting for me would ya? I'm not really sure what it is. If it means pointing out racial aspects of things, and refusing to accept things I find offensive without challenge, then yes, I suppose your analysis is indeed "spot on". I know enough about you and Brian from your previous posts here that you both think that the people in N.O. that didn't leave are victims of their own stupidity, and shouldn't have depended on the Government to rescue them. I know you are both white males who think that affirmative action is a bad thing, hell Brian thinks it's because of that that he is having a hard time finding a job in Law Enforcement. I know you live in a world that knows no poverty, and you are foolish enough to think that it's because of your own hard work. So, you see, I have done a little research on the both of you. Actually, all I did was read and remember, you both did all the work for me.
It's REALLY funny that the idea of me holding some type of authority over you troubles you so much. Why, if you are such an upstanding and hard working fair guy, would it bother you if someone like myself was in office? Perhaps because you think the balance of power would shift away from you? All is fair and just in our political system right? What do you fear? Rest assured, I hold no aspirations of a political career, if i wanted to lie for a living I'd be a salesman. However the very fact that it bothers you is enough to make me think about it.

 

[dudewizr]

The thing I got from the article was it identified the pecking order of the decision making. Everybody wants to blame from the top down when according to the article the mayor was first on the list. and then he has the nerve along with some other people in the spotlight (celebrities, politicians and such) to jump up and blame the Pres. Give me a break, some people give too much power to the President, he's just one man that does what alot of other people tell him. Check it out if one man actually had as much power as he is said to have when things go wrong the CIA would have wacked him along time ago, not just Pres Bush but any Pres for that matter. He's just another capital hill puppet that iin times of trouble becomes the scapegoat. I'll bet most poeple including yourselves if faced with that much scrutiny and blame from every misfortune would either run and hide like little girls or choke on a gun barrel.

If you find anything in that article that hits your RACE NERVE then you were looking for it to begin with.

 

[Cuffee]

cuffe, i would hope that you would agree that one of the most important ways of helping the ppl is to find the problem and make sure it dosnt happen again. because its too late now the ball was dropped.



cap so i take it you are a ferm believer that we are over there protecting our way of life, and its not a political move for bush. i think we have been fooled again and are being used as  a exstension of his political pen, but thats my opinion

I would agree that the problem needs to be identified and then correct so that this will never happen again.