Oil and Filter.

Golden Spectro 20-50 Semi-synth,,NEVER have I had my bike shift as good as with this oil.Mobil-1 Car,And Amsoil are good,but they wont make you shift as butter smooth as Spectro. (it has more Zinc additive than any other oil)

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DangerMouse, there is nothing wrong with breaking a motor in with a petrolium base oil,people have been doing that a lot longer than using synthetics. Corvette,Porsche and Viper motors are not built to be "cheap". The new LS6 corvette motor has a 10.5 to 1compression ratio,only a half point lower then the busa's. It is also built to very tight tolerances as is the viper motor, the latter being hand assembled and blueprinted. Both use aluminium blocks and heads and are bored and honed with equipment that is easily a match for Suzuki's boring and honing equipment. Now not to long ago I would have agreed on the ring to cylinder interface statement. But with modern machining equipment and tecniques there are virtually no "high spots" to be smoothed out in the cylinder. Therefore rings can be made to seat at a much faster rate than they used to. Im sure the rings on a new Corvette are putting as much pressure on the cylinder wall as the rings on the busa are. Especially with 10.5 to 1 compresion. The Corvette is Chevrolet's flagship sports car and if synthetic oil was going to keep the rings from seating they would'nt put it in from the factory. Besides,how much oil do you think is left on the cylinder wall by the time the compression rings get to where the oil control rings just wiped the oil off? If there was any at all you would see smoking out of the pipes and oil deposits on the plugs. Anyway, breaking in with regular oil is a time honored tradition and there is nothing wrong with that. But breaking in modern engines with superior synthetics is ok too. The important thing is to use it sooner or later so you can start getting the benefits synthetics have to offer.

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Hey Dangermouse, We used to live in England. High Wicombe I think is how its spelled. My little sister was born there. Used to wear a uniform when I went to grade school. Flackwell Heath Elementary School I think. That was in 1961 and my memory isnt very good anymore. As for the break in thing, I will say that for anyone in doubt, using a petrolium based oil for break-in is certainly the safest route. It will eliminate any uncertainies one may have and give piece of mind that you didn't do something to harm your new baby. Later!

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Warbird,
Ok many high performance cars use synthetic out of the box - mostly Turbo cars where the oils resistance to cooking around the turbos bearings is essential.

Car engines do not have the same sort of tight tolerances as bike engines and are less critical re running in, in other words most modern cars do not even require running in as the clearances are set fairly loose to prevent thermal seizures, and the synthetic oil prevents the loose clearances being an issue re wear - in other world car engines are built to be cheap and to have long service intervals.

Running synthetic out of the box will mean the piston ring to bore interface will never be spot on, It massively reduces the pistons rings ability to chop off the peaks in the cylinder wall left by the honing process, this can cause hotspots and bore glazing and will lead to an inferior piston ring to cylinder seal.
There must be some wear allowed to encourage the best fit of the rings against the cylinder walls, in low specific power applications like car engines the difference is negligible, piston seal in high revving high CR engines like motor cycle engines is much more critical.
 
Thanks Warbird - I just hit 1000miles on the way home tonight. Had the road too myself so I rolled out 2nd gear - I can't explain how much harder this thing pulls in comparison to my old ZX-11. I'm going to change over to Mobil 1 soon.
 
I'm running Mobile 1 car oil 15w-50, works fine. I would have bought the MX4T if it was available by retail, I'm too impatient to wait for oil shipping. I don't know why they don't have more distributors of the cycle products...oh well. I've run Castrol Syntec in my Katana with good result too, but I'd put my money on the Mobile 1. I also waited until 2,000 miles before switching to full synthetic, I've heard you should wait until then...?
Martin

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Horse, The Suzuki shop said they use their hands ? You have to turn the Suzuki filter two full turns after it is finger tight, or you might have a leaky Busa. I have an extra one I got from pep boys that will work on the Suzuki filer if you dont have any luck finding one.
 
Was Robbed with the $13.95 Filter (Buddy of Mine has some British Racing Filters for $6.00) -- the Suzuki Shop could Not Find a Filter Socket & said they use their Hands!!!
Okay, I guess that works & so I went on a quest to find the Filter Socket in Town...
No Luck....65mm-68mm don't work....guess its a 69mm??? Well at my Buds shop, he has a Filter Socket from "VECTOR, serial no#
17040" & told me he would order one for me.
I also Got Suzuki Oil SJ 10-40W -- going with
Nonsynthetic till 3000-4000 miles -- yep, modern technology can let you down....so to ensure Absolute Seal to Cylinder Fit I am going Nonsynthetic first, then Synthetic. Better Not to Chance something than to assume?

Is the Suzuki Oil Okay?
Horse
 
For those of you that have heard me talking about the oil article I have been working on for Motorcycle Consumer News magazine well it is finally finished. It will be printed in the October issue. Before it in the September issue will be a reprint of an article Jeff Decarlo did for the BMW national group. In fact Jeff will be presenting the results of our test next week at the National BMW rally.

Jeff is the author I worked with on this article too. I did all the testing and grount work and since I am from the south and can barely speak english he wrote the text.

Anyway stay tuned for the results. I will say no big suprises. The oil I expected to have the best results did. You guys above are correct. Get the good stuff. It paid off.

Don
Rotts4u@aol.com
 
Gosh Rotts4u, do we have to wait so darn long? Will you let us know when the article gets ready to run? I know there's bunches of us that cant wait to read it. Was it a lot of hard work?
 
Normal retail for the OEM filter is $14.95, I sell them for dealer cost plus 20%. Comes to about $9.61 ea plus shipping.
Jim
 
Thanks Don, really looking forward to the article. Im sure we'll all "stay tuned". "Same Bat Time,Same Bat Channel" You said you are from the south. Where at? Im in Kentucky, between Frankfort and Louisville. GREAT riding area but it sure has been hot here this year. Anyway, thanks for the info,will read the results of your hard work when it "goes to press".
 
Yes I know that is a long wait but due to the way magazines are published it is usually 2-3 months before something goes to print. Yes, it was a lot of work for me. I spent about 15 months (not full time) researching oils. I interviewed most every petroleum chemist at every oil manufacturer either in person or on the phone and months of reading material from the web, articles, ASTM test methods,as well as discussing test methodlogy with several independent research facilities.

I actually voluntered for the article because I just wanted a magazine to fund the lab testing I wanted to do.I had no idea it would end up taking a year and a half of all my free time. I learned a lot but I also learned that I have a lot more questions than before too. There is not a scientific way to precisely measure oils and compare them at any cost that is 100% accurate. So you can imagine with a very limited magazine budget we had to make compromises.

I would like to do more testing but until I find someone with about $85,000 for EACH OIL I want to test. This will have to do.

The MX4t is a PREMIUM product and you will not do wrong using it. And it is different than mobil one. That is about all I can say for now.

Stay tuned for more
don
rotts4u@aol.com
 
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