Opinions on Ferguson MO

[GNBRETT]

Kinda hard for me to carry a shotgun around in my back pocket, when the criminals who would assault me and my family don't have a problem with it...Remember Brett, I've had a CCW for almost 25 years now - Thank goodness I've never had to use it. You can continue to argue against handguns, but what you cannot deny is that there is a SOLID reason for the 2A....

I agree there are gd ppl that carry and gd reasons to have to 2a. thats not and never has been my issue with it.

my issue with it is that its too easy to get a handgun in this country. its Far more difficult to get a driver license then a permit to carry a gun that can and does result in the majority of ALL VIOLENT CRIMES IN THIS COUNTRY.

there is somthn fundamentally wrong with our system when its easier to get a drivers license then a gun license.

 

[GNBRETT]

dp....

 

[GNBRETT]

The kid turned around and stated running towards him. That is when he started firing and that is where I thought there
MIGHT BE a chance to shot him in the leg.

let me make somthn VERY clear to you. there is NO SUCH thing as shooting someone in the leg. maybe on TV or the movies that works but in real life there is no such thing!

wen a cop discharges his weapon at a suspect it is a DEADLY FORCE situation. under stress it is very difficult to strike a suspect even at close range when aiming for CENTER MASS which is what ALL police officers in this country are trained to do.

we don't "wing" people. we are trained to shoot center mass which of course is where all ur vital organs are so one cud surely make the claim that we shoot to kill but thats not the intention. the intention is to STOP the aggressor and that is best accomplished by shooting someone center mass.

cops have a difficult time striking someone at close range when aiming right for their chest. BIG difference between going to gun range and shooting at paper targets vs. shooting at a real person who is actually moving and the fact that ur actually shooting at a HUMAN BEING.

attempting to "wing" someone in the leg is incredibly dangerous to the general public cause the cops gonna miss likely and strike some little kid playing in his yard or riding his bike.

 

[RedBusarider]

let me make somthn VERY clear to you. there is NO SUCH thing as shooting someone in the leg. maybe on TV or the movies that works but in real life there is no such thing!

wen a cop discharges his weapon at a suspect it is a DEADLY FORCE situation. under stress it is very difficult to strike a suspect even at close range when aiming for CENTER MASS which is what ALL police officers in this country are trained to do.

we don't "wing" people. we are trained to shoot center mass which of course is where all ur vital organs are so one cud surely make the claim that we shoot to kill but thats not the intention. the intention is to STOP the aggressor and that is best accomplished by shooting someone center mass.

cops have a difficult time striking someone at close range when aiming right for their chest. BIG difference between going to gun range and shooting at paper targets vs. shooting at a real person who is actually moving and the fact that ur actually shooting at a HUMAN BEING.

attempting to "wing" someone in the leg is incredibly dangerous to the general public cause the cops gonna miss likely and strike some little kid playing in his yard or riding his bike.

OK. Thank You

 

[skydivr]

I agree there are gd ppl that carry and gd reasons to have to 2a. thats not and never has been my issue with it.

my issue with it is that its too easy to get a handgun in this country. its Far more difficult to get a driver license then a permit to carry a gun that can and does result in the majority of ALL VIOLENT CRIMES IN THIS COUNTRY.

there is somthn fundamentally wrong with our system when its easier to get a drivers license then a gun license.

I think you go that last sentence backwards It was a lot harder for me to buy a gun and get a CCW than a driver's license - LEGALLY.

As it's easier to vote than get a driver's license...now THAT'S a tragedy...

 

[fallenarch]

To this I agree. And if that fails to bring about peace and a drop in crime rate, and a uptick in the cities prosperity, what would you propose?

I would think an all black police force could be more aggressive on an all black population. Crime is related to economics, not race. It doesn't matter if the police are white or black if the population doesn't have jobs.

 

[GNBRETT]

I think you go that last sentence backwards It was a lot harder for me to buy a gun and get a CCW than a driver's license - LEGALLY.

As it's easier to vote than get a driver's license...now THAT'S a tragedy...

lol yea I guess so

 

[RedBusarider]

I would think an all black police force could be more aggressive on an all black population. Crime is related to economics, not race. It doesn't matter if the police are white or black if the population doesn't have jobs.

An all black police dept seems like a big challenge.
Below is a quote from the Mayor of Ferguson:

Ferguson Mayor James Knowles, who is also white, has addressed the lack of diversity in the police department. According to an Aug. 12 report by St. Louis-based TV station KSDK, Knowles told reporters that young African-Americans aren’t interested in police jobs. Knowles said:

"We hire everyone that we can get. There's also the problem that a lot of young African-American people don't want to go into law enforcement. They already have this disconnect with law enforcement, so if we find people who want to go into law enforcement who are African-American we're all over it because we want them to help us bridge the gap."


Yes economics may play a role in crime - but how the kids are bought up by their parents and teachers has a lot to do with it too.

 

[RedBusarider]

I think you go that last sentence backwards It was a lot harder for me to buy a gun and get a CCW than a driver's license - LEGALLY.

I was thinking the same thing.

Walk in with a birth certificate, take a test and walk out with a drivers license.
No fingerprints, no background checks, no 6-8 week waiting period etc.

 

[jellyrug]

As I have said, I am not defending Brown and I don't condone riots and looting. I think that stuff is destracting people from the real issues here - you should not have an all white police force policing an all black population.

First, I believe it will really help if we leave "color/pigmentation" out of our vocabulary, and rather talk about people, or Americans. I have hazel colored eyes and if someone had to place me in a group of people because of the color of my eyes, I would see that as discrimination.

Getting back to your last sentence though, I believe the force are represented with a few individuals from the Ferguson community, however they have a challenge in getting applicants and recruiting more.

 

[fallenarch]

An all black police dept seems like a big challenge.
Below is a quote from the Mayor of Ferguson:

Ferguson Mayor James Knowles, who is also white, has addressed the lack of diversity in the police department. According to an Aug. 12 report by St. Louis-based TV station KSDK, Knowles told reporters that young African-Americans aren’t interested in police jobs. Knowles said:

"We hire everyone that we can get. There's also the problem that a lot of young African-American people don't want to go into law enforcement. They already have this disconnect with law enforcement, so if we find people who want to go into law enforcement who are African-American we're all over it because we want them to help us bridge the gap."


Yes economics may play a role in crime - but how the kids are bought up by their parents and teachers has a lot to do with it too.

That's pretty much proof that the Ferguson department is racist. There are tons of blacks in law enforcement and plenty more who would go into it if it was a fair department. That's the oldest cop out (pun intended) ever. Like saying "my best friend is black". It's very difficult to have a fully functional family without a job. I'm not making excuses as I believe you have to play the cards you're dealt and not cry about your obstacles if you want to make it. But the fact is that the poorer you are the more exceptional you have to be to emerge from that successfully.

 

[mysql]

I think there is entirely too many black men on basketball teams. We should allow women, and force them to include more whites.

 

[fallenarch]

I think there is entirely too many black men on basketball teams. We should allow women, and force them to include more whites.

Is your point that white people are superior law enforcement officers?

 

[chrisjp]

and this isnt racism...but it helps drive home the point of the Ferguson chief saying the "problems" with hiring different individuals based on their experiences and environmental factors...and calling it racist?????

US Court Says it’s Okay for Police Departments to Refuse to Hire Someone who is Too Smart | The Free Thought Project

not comprehending the potential of bias due to "environmental" conditions would be like saying its wrong to not consider hiring a teacher who has documented family history of abuse and child molestation performed on them?? or its racist not to hire a illegal immigrant from mexico to cook in a Chinese restaurant... or refuse to hire a satanist to work in a catholic church....or it be racist to hire a gambler to work at a casino....or hire a vegetarian to be a butcher.....get my point? if you raised in an environment to not trust the cops and crime is a method to earn a living much higher than a cops wage and your primary "citizens" are your neighbors ..... cant you see the "potential issues" and i guarantee the chief can show you files of EXACTLY what happens when they hire individuals from that background.....oh...no its simple right?.... its racist ....explains everything and justify s nothing

 

[captain]

I couldn't even read this whole thread because there is so much ignorance being posted... The cop should have rolled up his window, are you kidding me? Would you sit in your car in a submissive non tactical position while the guy you thought just help up a store was coming at you? Wait for backup, every call doesn't get all the resources you need or want before you take action.. name one job you get everything you need before you act.

I keep reading over and over, here and other places that keep trying to justify actions of the victim by making statements like " Why would he run towards an armed officer" or "Who would go after a cop" here is the problem that you don't get... You are trying to bring reason into an unreasonable situation. It's like trying to have a rational conversation with an irrational person, it just doesn't work.

You won't hear me say that the victim wasn't a nice guy he probably was the boy his momma knew and raised when she was around him. BUT people make bad decisions for many different reasons, drugs, attitude, peer pressure, just plain youthful ignorance but in the end you can't blame the cop for taking the action he did. I heard someone mention rubber bullets, FYI not every department has those, I hear all kinds of things of what if's but until you have been in the job, making those split second decisions.

The grand jury has heard the evidence, they found him not guilty and that is that.... I won't minimize the pain of the parents, I won't dismiss the feelings of the community but to blame and officer for reacting the way he did is yet again not putting the blame where it belongs. The officer should not have had to respond in the first place.

Someone with more understanding of culture / urban life tell me how looting the auto parts store or the dollar store fix the problem. Is burning down businesses making them feel better or bringing back great memories? I don't get it, where are the community leaders now, why do we not see them asking for calm and discussion? What we see are people acting like animals and proving why you can't reason with some people which in my opinion takes us right back to the first point in my post.

 

[fallenarch]

The grand jury has heard the evidence, they found him not guilty and that is that.... I won't minimize the pain of the parents, I won't dismiss the feelings of the community but to blame and officer for reacting the way he did is yet again not putting the blame where it belongs. The officer should not have had to respond in the first place.

Speaking of ignorance, grand juries don't determine guilt or innocence. Just saying.....

 

[1busa]

So Cap was there an Urban Culture influence in backwoods West Virginia when they rioted in the streets after a COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME.... turned over cars, smashed window fronts and hurled bricks at police?? We're they described as Animals, Criminals, P.O.S.?? Was there trigger happy Cowboys lining up 2 gun them down??

No.... of course not they are just drunken frat boys who got just "a little too carried away"... or eloquent words used such as "youthful exuberance" or "Frustrated with no constructive outlet".

 

[captain]

Speaking of ignorance, grand juries don't determine guilt or innocence. Just saying.....

Arch I assure you that I am not the guy that you want to get into a discussion about legal issues with.. I brought that comment into the post intentionally because MOST people do not understand what a Grand Jury is about.

But since you are more educated than I am I stipulate that you are smarter. Since you have a college degree you must be more knowledgeable on every topic and since you slept at a Holiday Inn express you have all insight to the inner workings of being a police officer and the black community.

So tell me Arch..... how should the officer have done it? Do you give any of the blame to the young man for his actions?

cap

 

[captain]

So Cap was there an Urban Culture influence in backwoods West Virginia when they rioted in the streets after a COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME.... turned over cars, smashed window fronts and hurled bricks at police?? We're they described as Animals, Criminals, P.O.S.?? Was there trigger happy Cowboys lining up 2 gun them down??

No.... of course not they are just drunken frat boys who got just "a little too carried away"... or eloquent words used such as "youthful exuberance" or "Frustrated with no constructive outlet".

I don't justify those actions either HOWEVER.... everyone knew what the verdict of the Grand Jury might be, and just as those crazy college kids they should be prosecuted for their actions. They had some time to prepare and think about what they were going to do UNLIKE the officer who had just a few seconds. I was going to go out tonight and burn Wal Mart down because the Cowboys got a whoopin on national TV but then I remembered I needed toilet paper..... Doesn't make a lick of sense for anyone to act that way and folks should be punished for it...

cap

 

[Blackmax]

So after reading this whole post here is my 2ct. I hate everyone! I also Love everyone! Color is a lable we put on ourselves , I'm Black I"m White , I'm a Jew , when we start seeing each other as people( Good or Bad) Race will mean nothing, I'm white Catholic ,married to a Jew and have all kinds of friends . I meet new people all the time from work or riding and our Busa's bring us together at bike nights , rides, ect . For the people of color out there Yes I also feel fear when a cop pulls up behind me on a road even though I've done nothing . Yea as a white guy I can't understand why at bike night a large black guy talks to me about my bike and we are like friends but his buddie is eyeing what I have like he's mad at me for having it.What did I do? ??? What happned to Mike Brown is not a reason to burn **** down and act like animals ,Its a reason for the Blacks of America to wake the hell up and change their own lives by teaching their kids right from wrong and stop thinking about the past and move forword !