overheating question

stretchedbusa1

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Alright i have a 2005 busa all stock except swingarm. I was riding it all day, it was like 92 degrees out. At the time when i was riding there were no visible problems. Later i parked the bike and left it outside in the heat for a few days, about 3 days later i walked outside and there was a puddle of anti-freeze under it, mind u there was nothing there the 2 previous days too that!! I took the thermostat completely out and left it out, it seems to run ok but is still running hot, not over heating but really close> But its only happening at idol, any ideas?
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I just got it in June of this year. I've only put about 1500 miles on it, and haven't changed any fluids. I got it from the dealership and they said they did it all before they sold it. Do you know if this is a re-occurring problem with hayabusas?
Oh, and what is engine ice?
 
I'll bet you have an air bubble in the system and needs to be burped out. Also, check the lower clamp to make sure it's on tight.

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I'll bet you have an air bubble in the system and needs to be burped out.  Also, check the lower clamp to make sure it's on tight.

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It was coming out the overflow tube while it was parked and hadn't ran in 3 days. Do you think it could get that hot just sitting in the sun? I checked the clamps and they're all tight.
 
Is the fan cycling on and off when the needle is about halfway ??, i.e. 9 o'clock
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....it should.  If it isn't, then you have short in the thermal switch on the radiator.

If you're overheating at idle, standing still, I would think about first, draining and changing the coolant.  I just did mine, and it's a requirement every two years.  Remember to lean the bike left and right while burping the radiator (Cap Off).  Do this several times to make sure an abundance of coolant is displacing all the air possible.  Manual then says start and warm fully, let cool, check, and repeat several times to be sure.  That is, warm up, cool down, check resevoir, repeat.  After the second warm up cycle, cool down, I was good.  No changes in coolant level.  No issues at the needle as well.

A faulty radiator cap would allow an abundance of fluid and pressure out the cap, into the resevoir.  Also causing an overheating condition.  The system needs to build up pressure to stabilize the engine temp.  If there's no pressure equilibrium there's going to be overheating.

Also, put the thermostat back in.  It's designed around a warm up cycle mapping, and the coolant temp sensor relies on information, water temp, that the thermostat stabilizes.  When warm it opens, and the coolant temp takes over from there, the fuel injection adjusts to it.

So replace with new thermostat, couldn't hurt, change radiator cap, couldn't hurt, and flush and replace coolant.  Check all hoses clamps are tight prior to refilling.  Once this was done, I would attach my stant pressure tester, just to make sure you have no bleeding of pressure.  Either way, at this point, the cooling system is as it should be.  Then check that the fan is cycling on and off when fully warmed up.  Needle will be at 9 o'clock.  If it isn't, get it working.  That little radiator relies on the fan to help control the engine temp when the bike is standing still.  

If all of these are taken care of, and operational, then you should be in good shape.  If everything is as detailed, and you're STILL overheating, THEN I would take a compression test, and cooling system pressure test to discern if you have a leaking head gasket.  I doubt it, unless it was accidentally run dry, and not properly refilled in an expedient time frame.  

Repost after all is investigated.  You'll find the culprit.  

Funky gauge reactions are common from time to time, but true overheating is not a problematic Hayabusa issue.  

Figure it out, and get back out there and RIDE !!!!  
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probably an airpocket in the system... it got hot and shoved what fluid out it could.
 
I would say check for air  
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in the system. Overflow after 2 days isn't caused by the suns heat, unless you can get it to 225 plus degrees. And your overflow should not be so full it overflows by just riding (I don't care what the outside temps are) and NOT in stop and go traffic. Sounds like an air in the system problem to me
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Thanks alot guys appreciate the advice, i think ill just wait till winter and tear it apart and try everything you guys said till something works!!! Oh and top gun no the fan dosent come on at half it comes on less than an 1/8 inch off the red. I just assumed it was normal, now i have a definate thing to check.
 
Hey Stretched, you're getting excellent advice from these guys...I had to burp my system 3 times over 2 days (including around town riding) to get the air pocket out from somewhere down in the system (and even if your overflow is topped off, it won't purge the air bubble). Without the fairings on I squeezed the LOWER coolant hose with the cap off and that is how I finally got the air out. Engine ice is a coolant product that works better than regular coolant when asked to flo fast through the system (like sustained high rpm's on a track). I called the company and they said I wouldn't notice a lower temp guage during normal riding but would when riding hard. Get that thermostat back in! Take care and good luck. Raydog
 
Yeah thats another thing that sucks u pretty much have too have the whole right side apart to get to the radiator!And again thanks for the advice
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Is the fan cycling on and off when the needle is about halfway ??, i.e. 9 o'clock
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....it should.  If it isn't, then you have short in the thermal switch on the radiator.
Not necessarily...My fan is not working either and I just replaced the sensor/switch with a brand new one, and still nothing.

My next bet is a fan (fuse is o.k. btw).
 
Is the fan cycling on and off when the needle is about halfway ??, i.e. 9 o'clock
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....it should.  If it isn't, then you have short in the thermal switch on the radiator.
Not necessarily...My fan is not working either and I just replaced the sensor/switch with a brand new one, and still nothing.

My next bet is a fan (fuse is o.k. btw).
My apologies there Brother, I was speaking in abstract, I meant something in the fan / thermal switch loop. Have you tried jumpering the fan on a 12v source ??.......bst of luck getting it back to reliable.
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Thanks alot guys appreciate the advice, i think ill just wait till winter and tear it apart and try everything you guys said till something works!!! Oh and top gun no the fan dosent come on at half it comes on less than an 1/8 inch off the red. I just assumed it was normal, now i have a definate thing to check.
It's "Spudley
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"....now get rid of that For Sale sign.........  
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Is the fan cycling on and off when the needle is about halfway ??, i.e. 9 o'clock
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....it should.  If it isn't, then you have short in the thermal switch on the radiator.
Not necessarily...My fan is not working either and I just replaced the sensor/switch with a brand new one, and still nothing.

My next bet is a fan (fuse is o.k. btw).
My apologies there Brother, I was speaking in abstract, I meant something in the fan / thermal switch loop.  Have you tried jumpering the fan on a 12v source ??.......bst of luck getting it back to reliable.  
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+1.  Try disconnecting the fan plug and use a jumper wire on the fan itself to a 12v source.  If the fan doesn't come on, the fan is bad.  If it does, then you have some other problem in the cooling fan control circuit, (ie. a short somewhere most likely)  But he did say his comes on when it's almost at the red zone, so I would agree with spudley on this one.  Check the thermal switch.  It's definitely a cooling fan circuit issue if it only happens at idle, cause if you're cruisin down the road you have air flowin through the radiator keepin the temp. down.  Once there's no air flowing to remove the heat from the coolant (cool it down). . . Enter over heating issue.  Just my 2 cents.
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I had a bubble/burping issue that was a complete pain in the arse to get out...
 
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