Preemptive Pardons? Are the Dems getting nervous?

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Mr Levin has set the record straight... the historical record of corruption inside the Biden WH is on full display here.
Whomever heard of preemptive pardons before? Levin addresses some events from the past where presidents received pardons from the newly elected president.

The Dems are so scared of what could happen now they are now proposing Biden pardon Trump as a show of the mercy for future criminal prosecutions that the new AG might file once January 20th passes. Talk about trying to get out in front of an illegal law fare attack that rivals any political attack in history.

 
I don’t think presidential pardons should be allowed. If the Hunter Bidens and the David Dempseys of the world can be pardoned by someone that has a tenuous understanding of the circumstances, it undermines the justice system and supports the nihilistic thought that allegiances and personal agendas carry more weight than the law.
So much for what I think lol.
 
I don’t think presidential pardons should be allowed. If the Hunter Bidens and the David Dempseys of the world can be pardoned by someone that has a tenuous understanding of the circumstances, it undermines the justice system and supports the nihilistic thought that allegiances and personal agendas carry more weight than the law.
So much for what I think lol.
I agree, there's no way a president should be able to pardon any member of their family and even any other pardons should have to go through a pardon committee to maintain transparency.....
 
I agree, there's no way a president should be able to pardon any member of their family and even any other pardons should have to go through a pardon committee to maintain transparency.....
While you guys agree it shouldn't be that way keep something in mind. These powers were given to the President for certain reasons. The first one ( in my opinion ) being that the application of the laws and corresponding punishments legally tied to the crimes committed don't always take everything into consideration. This is the same principle that juries also have with the power to decide a defendants fate in a trial. . If a jury decides a law doesn't apply in the way it is normally applies due to unusaul circumstances then the jury can justify whatever decision they choose. A Prime example is the Daniel Penny case... This case shows us just how far the justice system has eroded. This case should never have gone to trial... 20 or 30 years ago it would not have gone to trial.

Here is another example of what I am explaining here.

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In 1973, freelance photographer Anthony Roberts was walking through a parking lot in Los Angeles, California one sunny afternoon when he heard a woman screaming. Approaching the scene, he found a man beating a woman who was lying on the ground. Unarmed, Roberts began taking pictures of the scene, calling out to the man that his photo was being taken. The assailant, who was allegedly trying to kidnap the woman, yelled that he didnt care and continued to beat the woman while Roberts remained a helpless onlooker.

The noise of the assault caught the attention of a security guard, who responded to the incident with his weapon drawn. As Roberts continued to snap pictures, sure that the police would arrive at any moment, the man revealed a knife and threatened to cut the womans throat. The security guard shot the assailant in the head, killing him and saving the womans life. The final picture Roberts took before the man died, just before the security guard took the fatal shot, became known as Fatal Hollywood Drama and won the Pulitzer Prize in 1974.

Fatal Hollywood Drama was the final photo of an entire series that Roberts took documenting the struggle. The series of photos ran in the Los Angeles Times the day after the incident and became national news. The Associated Press nominated the photos for the Pulitzer Prize for spot photography. The series also later was awarded the Sigma Delta Chi Award from the Society of Professional Journalists. Roberts continued with a career in journalistic and commercial photography, and he also became an actor.

These days the security guard would be arrested and charged with a crime.
Here are more pictures from that encounter.
 
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While you guys agree it shouldn't be that way keep something in mind. These powers were given to the President for certain reasons. The first one ( in my opinion ) being that the application of the laws and corresponding punishments legally tied to the crimes committed don't always take everything into consideration. This is the same principle that juries also have with the power to decide a defendants fate in a trial. . If a jury decides a law doesn't apply in the way it is normally applies due to unusaul circumstances then the jury can justify whatever decision they choose. A Prime example is the Daniel Penny case... This case shows us just how far the justice system has eroded. This case should never have gone to trial... 20 or 30 years ago it would not have gone to trial.

Here is another example of what I am explaining here.

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In 1973, freelance photographer Anthony Roberts was walking through a parking lot in Los Angeles, California one sunny afternoon when he heard a woman screaming. Approaching the scene, he found a man beating a woman who was lying on the ground. Unarmed, Roberts began taking pictures of the scene, calling out to the man that his photo was being taken. The assailant, who was allegedly trying to kidnap the woman, yelled that he didnt care and continued to beat the woman while Roberts remained a helpless onlooker.

The noise of the assault caught the attention of a security guard, who responded to the incident with his weapon drawn. As Roberts continued to snap pictures, sure that the police would arrive at any moment, the man revealed a knife and threatened to cut the womans throat. The security guard shot the assailant in the head, killing him and saving the womans life. The final picture Roberts took before the man died, just before the security guard took the fatal shot, became known as Fatal Hollywood Drama and won the Pulitzer Prize in 1974.

Fatal Hollywood Drama was the final photo of an entire series that Roberts took documenting the struggle. The series of photos ran in the Los Angeles Times the day after the incident and became national news. The Associated Press nominated the photos for the Pulitzer Prize for spot photography. The series also later was awarded the Sigma Delta Chi Award from the Society of Professional Journalists. Roberts continued with a career in journalistic and commercial photography, and he also became an actor.

These days the security guard would be arrested and charged with a crime.
Here are more pictures from that encounter.
Not sure that this has anything to do with a presidential pardon which is not vetted.......

I still stand by my opinion that presidents should NOT be allowed to pardon any of their family members and any pardon they give must go through a committee for vetting......this way if a president ever got into office that was some sort of serial killer follower they couldn't pardon one.....

The same as Trump's plan to pardon all the Jan 6 participants......nothing says "screw you" to the justice system and American citizens than let a bunch of people out who were legally convicted and found guilty..
 
The first one ( in my opinion ) being that the application of the laws and corresponding punishments legally tied to the crimes committed don't always take everything into consideration
That's part of the reason for parole considerations and retrials. The judicial system is basically thrown in the bin each time a president, often on a whim, pardons a criminal.
If a jury decides a law doesn't apply in the way it is normally applies due to unusaul circumstances then the jury can justify whatever decision they choose.
Better a jury than one man who may have extenuating interest or bias.

This discussion is moot because the pardons do exist and are used (or abused) by sitting presidents regularly.
Daniel Penny case... 20 or 30 years ago it would not have gone to trial.
Those 20-30 years have been constructive in other ways as well
 
That's part of the reason for parole considerations and retrials. The judicial system is basically thrown in the bin each time a president, often on a whim, pardons a criminal.

Better a jury than one man who may have extenuating interest or bias.

This discussion is moot because the pardons do exist and are used (or abused) by sitting presidents regularly.

Those 20-30 years have been constructive in other ways as well
Pure conjecture on your part... each pardon stands or falls on it own merits... it looks like you subscribe to the baby and bathwater going out together.

Judges are human and have deep seated biases that are not even known to themselves in certain cases... the subconscious has power beyond what we normally consider when making decisions of great consequence.. Use a jury... its a more fair and equitable way to determine guilt or innocence.

A president can always pass on doing any pardons for anybody... that will probably never happen as the corruption I politics is so widespread it brings sympathy out of the most corrupt, compromised and possible blackmail options available that any political hack sociopath could be subjected too.... or dream of.

Yeah... 20 to 30 years of lies are finally bearing fruit... CNN is trending down.... MSNBC is trending down... ABC is now on the hook for a 15 million dollar judgement against them with Trump as the victor in court... Lies can get real expensive for deep pocket MSM companies... Just ask Sandman or Richard Jewel. Do you see what a difference truth to power can make after an election? Liars usually get found out.... truth tellers are usually vindicated... see how life works now Red? Its all playing out right in front of you. Do you really believe in Russian collusion? Do you really believe Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation? Do you really believe Mara Lago is only worth 18 million as Latisha James told the court? How come the 34 felony convictions went away so suddenly? I know who should really be getting charged with crimes.

Now... and for years... we have had administration after administration that funds the illegal access to cross America's borders and then receive benefits paid for by American citizen tax payers that want the activities of the nonsensical law breaking by federal agencies to stop. These agencies are being funded by the people that don't want illegals trespassing into our country. The only exception is people like you that think more good comes from law breaking than bad things from law breaking. Well... we're each entitled to our own opinions about what is good and what is bad for America. Some people approve of treasonous activities performed by our government... well... I ain't one of them.

I will approve the incarceration of governors and mayors in blue states that resist the Border Patrols efforts to remove known criminals that came here illegally and are being harbored and hidden from the authorities. If these political hacks do that they are committing treason... and you know what the punishment is for treason.... don't you ?
 
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Not sure that this has anything to do with a presidential pardon which is not vetted.......

I still stand by my opinion that presidents should NOT be allowed to pardon any of their family members and any pardon they give must go through a committee for vetting......this way if a president ever got into office that was some sort of serial killer follower they couldn't pardon one.....

The same as Trump's plan to pardon all the Jan 6 participants......nothing says "screw you" to the justice system and American citizens than let a bunch of people out who were legally convicted and found guilty..
That is what you think... well... when Wray won't answer questions about where FBI agents were and what they were doing on Jan 6th.... what does that tell you? anything? It turns out now we have 26 FBI agent in varying capacities that were on the property that day... 3 of them went insider the Capitol Building... 3 more were on forbidden to public access property around the capitol... and the rest were in different positions around the Capitol outside the trespass line. You might want to research the latest information coming out before you lump all the protestors into one group.

My guess is you think Law Fare isn't a real thing. Our DOJ and FBI didn't throw everything they could come up with whether true or not at Trump... did they ? Or, was it just some MSM gas lighting meant to brainwash the masses? Or, was it the truth and the prosecution failed to put him in jail? How about the Biden and all the money ( 27 million ?) they made... anything criminal going on there? I thought presidents were not to use their position for profit. I guess some people are above the law.

I think Trumps next book will be titled... "The Art of the Comeback". lol !

Truth be known... the world has dug itself a big hole in the last 50 to 60 years... a debt hole as well as a hole of illegal activities that jeopardize humanities quest for freedom and justice. Epstein, Diddy... when will the thousands of children be found?
 
That is what you think... well... when Wray won't answer questions about where FBI agents were and what they were doing on Jan 6th.... what does that tell you? anything? It turns out now we have 26 FBI agent in varying capacities that were on the property that day... 3 of them went insider the Capitol Building... 3 more were on forbidden to public access property around the capitol... and the rest were in different positions around the Capitol outside the trespass line. You might want to research the latest information coming out before you lump all the protestors into one group.

My guess is you think Law Fare isn't a real thing. Our DOJ and FBI didn't throw everything they could come up with whether true or not at Trump... did they ? Or, was it just some MSM gas lighting meant to brainwash the masses? Or, was it the truth and the prosecution failed to put him in jail? How about the Biden and all the money ( 27 million ?) they made... anything criminal going on there? I thought presidents were not to use their position for profit. I guess some people are above the law.

I think Trumps next book will be titled... "The Art of the Comeback". lol !

Truth be known... the world has dug itself a big hole in the last 50 to 60 years... a debt hole as well as a hole of illegal activities that jeopardize humanities quest for freedom and justice. Epstein, Diddy... when will the thousands of children be found?
We'll see.....he sure made a lot of talk....let's see if he can back that up.....

As for his re-election, it sure says a lot about both the state of the democratic party and the American people to decide to vote such a man back into office....

Jan 6th was well documented and we went around that merry go round far too much on this forum and got absolutely nowhere....

You keep your conspiracies and the rest of us will stick to reality.
 
As for his re-election, it sure says a lot about both the state of the democratic party and the American people to decide to vote such a man back into office....
I wait with an open mind for wherever this leads. There is no excuse, zero, for Jan 6th. It will forever be a black mark on our nation. Maybe Trump can make up for some of it. I think only with a good attitude can we move forward and improve. Less hatred and more teamwork. People like Zerks can only do so much damage if people put their minds to it.
 
We'll see.....he sure made a lot of talk....let's see if he can back that up.....

As for his re-election, it sure says a lot about both the state of the democratic party and the American people to decide to vote such a man back into office....

Jan 6th was well documented and we went around that merry go round far too much on this forum and got absolutely nowhere....

You keep your conspiracies and the rest of us will stick to reality.
Hi. Whell if you look close you will see that the conspiracies is reality. Do you want Iran to have nuclear wepons? Bidens boys has some how given Iran 10 bollion bucks. The only way to negotiate with Iran is with a hammer ovet there head. Being nice to them will not work. Also Biden commuted the the sentences of two notorous Chicago fraudsters formor Dixon cobtroller Rita Crudwell who embezzled $54 million from that town. Also Eric Bloom leader of Noryhbrook management firm who defrauded investers of more than 665million. Why die Biden do that? Did they pay him some how? But I am just making this all up to make Biden look bad. Than again anyone can look it up. He also commuted sentences of chines spies. The Democrats are proud of this. Look as us we are lawless as hell catch us if you can. Did he get some thing? Money from China? Or did China help pay for you family lifestyle and wants something in return? I just made that up too to make Biden look bad. Or you can read it in the Federalist. Most quated from Mark Levin. And NO he does not work for Biden. It is in his Biden's last actions before Trump takes over. The dems want to make it harder for Trump to help bring us back. .

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Hi. Whell if you look close you will see that the conspiracies is reality. Do you want Iran to have nuclear wepons? Bidens boys has some how given Iran 10 bollion bucks. The only way to negotiate with Iran is with a hammer ovet there head. Being nice to them will not work. Also Biden commuted the the sentences of two notorous Chicago fraudsters formor Dixon cobtroller Rita Crudwell who embezzled $54 million from that town. Also Eric Bloom leader of Noryhbrook management firm who defrauded investers of more than 665million. Why die Biden do that? Did they pay him some how? But I am just making this all up to make Biden look bad. Than again anyone can look it up. He also commuted sentences of chines spies. The Democrats are proud of this. Look as us we are lawless as hell catch us if you can. Did he get some thing? Money from China? Or did China help pay for you family lifestyle and wants something in return? I just made that up too to make Biden look bad. Or you can read it in the Federalist. Most quated from Mark Levin. And NO he does not work for Biden. It is in his Biden's last actions before Trump takes over. The dems want to make it harder for Trump to help bring us back. .

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I didn't say either party is better than the other....just that Trump is not the messiah and he will have his hands full trying to do what he said he would out on the campaign trail......if anyone thinks Trump won't pardon a bunch of thugs or hasn't or won't help make his friends huge amounts of money. they are dreaming....

It's the same way here, we have the leader of our opposition talking the talk.......nobody is sure if he can walk the walk if he gets elected or if things are already so far in motion that he won't be able to pull us from the brink....
 
I didn't say either party is better than the other....just that Trump is not the messiah and he will have his hands full trying to do what he said he would out on the campaign trail......if anyone thinks Trump won't pardon a bunch of thugs or hasn't or won't help make his friends huge amounts of money. they are dreaming....

It's the same way here, we have the leader of our opposition talking the talk.......nobody is sure if he can walk the walk if he gets elected or if things are already so far in motion that he won't be able to pull us from the brink....
Hi. Biden and the Democrats will and are now trying to make things harder for Trump to do what he said he would. Look it up they are selling parys of the wall for pennyies on the dollar. Now the tax payer me and others will have to pay again fot the same things.
 
Hi. Biden and the Democrats will and are now trying to make things harder for Trump to do what he said he would. Look it up they are selling parys of the wall for pennyies on the dollar. Now the tax payer me and others will have to pay again fot the same things.
Sure they are......this sort of thing happens each and every time there is a change of administration from dem to pub.....

Trump didn't do any great favors to Biden when he took over either......

It's the way the "game" is played......it's not a good way though.....
 
We'll see.....he sure made a lot of talk....let's see if he can back that up.....
Based on the financial predicament that has been building for the last 50 or 60 years its anyones guess as to what will put the train back on the tracks. This countries debt needs some kind of magical restructuring to fix the DEBT BASED system it is built upon.

If you take the time to listen to people like Peter Schiff and other financial experts you might get a clue as to the uncharted waters this country is in. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 set into motion a system that can only self destruct at the end of its debt based cycle. The future looks almost certain to contain a period of deflation... and if you knew anything about deflation you would know it is the time when a lot of suffering for a nation occurs. The only reason this countries economy hasn't collapsed yet is due to fiat money creation. Notice how our debt is growing faster with no end in sight... how do you think that cycle ends? I can tell you... wars are started and the fiat money creation grows even faster which makes everything valuable more expensive.
As for his re-election, it sure says a lot about both the state of the democratic party and the American people to decide to vote such a man back into office....
The democrat party is the party of marxism that got rolling real good when Obama was in the WH. The Dem party has the levers of power in the MSM ( that is now dying ) academia ( look at the debt problem there ) Hollywood ( that needs no explanation as actors sell their souls in front of the American public like prostitutes, Vote for Kamala! ) We now see influential people leaving the democrat party... its no wonder why they do it.
Jan 6th was well documented and we went around that merry go round far too much on this forum and got absolutely nowhere....
The world was sold a whole bunch of lies about Jan 6th and you believed them because the MSM said so. We now we have proof that evidence was destroyed that showed the reality of Jan 6th and we now know who destroyed it. We know we have witness collusion... we now know we have 26 FBI sources put in place by the FBI that day that Wray would not admit in front of a congressional hearing as to what took place to on Jan 6th
You keep your conspiracies and the rest of us will stick to reality.

You are really one misinformed person...
 
Give Jesse a shot as he rounds the bases. It will be difficult if not impossible to do for people that are not wanting their MSM memories disturbed with new information. We even have a mention of old FBI files being released that are decades old... that is how long the suppression of the truth has been going on.

Power can thrive in the absence of transparency... those days are about to end...
 
The world was sold a whole bunch of lies about Jan 6th and you believed them because the MSM said so. We now we have proof that evidence was destroyed that showed the reality of Jan 6th and we now know who destroyed it. We know we have witness collusion... we now know we have 26 FBI sources put in place by the FBI that day that Wray would not admit in front of a congressional hearing as to what took place to on Jan 6th


You are really one misinformed person...
Bullcrap.....we all had eyes, we all saw the videos.....it is what it was.....an attempted insurrection....full stop.

I believe you must be talking into a mirror with that statement.
 
Bullcrap.....we all had eyes, we all saw the videos.....it is what it was.....an attempted insurrection....full stop.

I believe you must be talking into a mirror with that statement.
Hi. What a bout the 26 FBI guys that was planted in the mist of all the people.. I was and you were not there. Did tha Jan 6 commite destrory everdence? If they did II would like to know why. I would say we only know what they want us to know.
 
Hi. What a bout the 26 FBI guys that was planted in the mist of all the people.. I was and you were not there. Did tha Jan 6 commite destrory everdence? If they did II would like to know why. I would say we only know what they want us to know.
Lots of "ifs" in your statement........

People who follow conspiracies love this sort of thing.....they get off on it.....

I watched the real time video evidence and saw people using equipment stolen from beaten police officer to break windows in order to gain access to the Capital......the police were overwhelmed and most likely told to partially stand down due to fears they would be further physically beaten....


It was NOT a good thing to happen within the US by any stretch of the imagination......I can't understand why there are people who are working so diligently to justify what happened Jan 6th....,,it was what it was.....a heinous act conducted by thugs.
 
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