Shinko Tires
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Funny, that looks just like a race track, in fact I'm sure it's a race track. The place where . . . let me see . . . what was the point again ???
Low grade huh? Nothing changes
Yep, LOW GRADE! Remember the people who really could test tires? I think it went something like "Poor side grip" & "Slow turn in" & "The rear would spin easily under throttle" & "Eight seconds slow" just to name a few. You were the one that posted up links to these tire tests.
But, according to you and your tire test, your Shinko Touring tires perform better than Bridgestone's High Performance Street tire? I'm speachless!
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Yep, LOW GRADE! Remember the people who really could test tires? I think it went something like "Poor side grip" & "Slow turn in" & "The rear would spin easily under throttle" & "Eight seconds slow" just to name a few. You were the one that posted up links to these tire tests.
But, according to you and your tire test, your Shinko Touring tires perform better than Bridgestone's High Performance Street tire? I'm speachless!
Dude....I don't know why you are on this crusade against Shinko, but you are not going to change anyones mind.
those of us that have used them, like them.
Those that have not used them...like you, are waisting your time.
World must be full of bunch of idiots cause anyone who doesn't ride on the best tire has to be StuPiD? 
Lots of us do and survive just fine.
The whole point about the Shinko's are they work for their intended application. A dependable tire at an economical price. So what if they aren't the best tire out there, Neither are touring tires on the street for grip. yet a Goldwing is subject to the same environment as a Busa. They survive on the street just fine. Harley's too.
Fact is Shinko tires sell. Fact is no one has died directly related to Shinko tire failure or we'd be reading about it cause it would be big news among riders. Especially one who teaches on a track.
Lots of us do and survive just fine. The whole point about the Shinko's are they work for their intended application. A dependable tire at an economical price. So what if they aren't the best tire out there, Neither are touring tires on the street for grip. yet a Goldwing is subject to the same environment as a Busa. They survive on the street just fine. Harley's too.
Fact is Shinko tires sell. Fact is no one has died directly related to Shinko tire failure or we'd be reading about it cause it would be big news among riders. Especially one who teaches on a track.
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But you guys have to realize, Tuff is running a full Öhlins setup, Brembo calipers, EBC XC Rotors and Pazzo levers . . . or at least I hope he is.
Tuff, did you really tell me that my Sport Touring tires wouldn't work as well as a full sport tire on a racetrack? Well no **** Shirlock!
I ride on the street every single day and I have not yet come close to finding the limit of what my Shinkos can do, even in those occasional panic/emergency maneuver situation I have found myself in.
Tuff, did you really tell me that my Sport Touring tires wouldn't work as well as a full sport tire on a racetrack? Well no **** Shirlock!
I ride on the street every single day and I have not yet come close to finding the limit of what my Shinkos can do, even in those occasional panic/emergency maneuver situation I have found myself in.
Boy Howdy, turning that light bulb on in your "barebean" is a tough job but I'll give it one more try.
First off, none of the above assumptions about ole Tuff is correct except the Pazzo levers. My track bike and my busa are bone stock except for steel brake lines and M4 exhaust. And you could ride better than me on your stock equipment if you'd invest your arguing time into productive training.
No one is arguing that your shinko touring tires aren't round and black. No one is arguing these tires won't get you to work and back. The argument I make with you has nothing to do with your choice of tires. Buy what you want and ride what you buy. It's nobody's business but your own. It's when you do your best to sell these low end tires as performance tires that gets my attention.
I really could care less about your choice of cheap chinese bling until it comes to tires. If you aren't willing to do your homework and listen to folks that are a few steps ahead of you, then it's off to the trial and error educational program for you.
It's the new folks that are easily influenced by what they read on this board that concerns me. I want them to realize when something as silly as your shinko threads show up, there are opposing views. My intent is to have them think about what they are giving up in order to save fifty bucks on a set of tires that will last all season for most. We'd all be better served if we looked not at buying tires but buying a contact patch instead.
Tires are THE MOST IMPORTANT item most of us will ever buy for our motorcycles. That little black patch that connects the bike to the ground is indeed the only thing seperating us from disaster. It's an absolute fact that the more grip at the road surface the more and bigger mistakes the rider can make and stay on two wheels.
The year 2011 will most likely see somewhere around 5,000 dead motorcycle riders. All of which were depending on that little black patch to keep them in control. Many of those deaths will be due to loss of traction.
I have crashed many times due to loss of traction. So I'm no stranger to the traction circle. It wouldn't hurt you to study the traction circle yourself. Good information to have when choosing a contact patch. The more knowledge you acquire the better choices you will make!
The track environment seems to be as alien to you as the planet Jupiter. Keep in mind that most if not all current tire technology is a byproduct of the race track. A trickle down effect from race tires to touring tires. All the major manufacturers test their tires on a track, touring tires and all. So get over that Texas wives tale if its seen on a track it doesn't apply to you. It does!
Happy riding on your shinkos
afterhours
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Boy Howdy, turning that light bulb on in your "barebean" is a tough job but I'll give it one more try.
First off, none of the above assumptions about ole Tuff is correct except the Pazzo levers. My track bike and my busa are bone stock except for steel brake lines and M4 exhaust. And you could ride better than me on your stock equipment if you'd invest your arguing time into productive training.
No one is arguing that your shinko touring tires aren't round and black. No one is arguing these tires won't get you to work and back. The argument I make with you has nothing to do with your choice of tires. Buy what you want and ride what you buy. It's nobody's business but your own. It's when you do your best to sell these low end tires as performance tires that gets my attention.
I really could care less about your choice of cheap chinese bling until it comes to tires. If you aren't willing to do your homework and listen to folks that are a few steps ahead of you, then it's off to the trial and error educational program for you.
It's the new folks that are easily influenced by what they read on this board that concerns me. I want them to realize when something as silly as your shinko threads show up, there are opposing views. My intent is to have them think about what they are giving up in order to save fifty bucks on a set of tires that will last all season for most. We'd all be better served if we looked not at buying tires but buying a contact patch instead.
Tires are THE MOST IMPORTANT item most of us will ever buy for our motorcycles. That little black patch that connects the bike to the ground is indeed the only thing seperating us from disaster. It's an absolute fact that the more grip at the road surface the more and bigger mistakes the rider can make and stay on two wheels.
The year 2011 will most likely see somewhere around 5,000 dead motorcycle riders. All of which were depending on that little black patch to keep them in control. Many of those deaths will be due to loss of traction.
I have crashed many times due to loss of traction. So I'm no stranger to the traction circle. It wouldn't hurt you to study the traction circle yourself. Good information to have when choosing a contact patch. The more knowledge you acquire the better choices you will make!
The track environment seems to be as alien to you as the planet Jupiter. Keep in mind that most if not all current tire technology is a byproduct of the race track. A trickle down effect from race tires to touring tires. All the major manufacturers test their tires on a track, touring tires and all. So get over that Texas wives tale if its seen on a track it doesn't apply to you. It does!
Happy riding on your shinkos
so does this mean you are finally thru....
you are done talking about things you know nothing about, done putting down tires you have never used?
finally done with the propaganda that you must have the latest high tech race tires at all times....
i doubt it...but we can only hope.
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Tuff, I hear everything you say, truly, but my biggest problem is that you run down a decent product on this board with absolutely no proof to back up your claims.
Time and time again you talk about race tracks, contact patches, crashing and such and INFER that the average rider is endangering their life by using Shinkos because they are inferior. The problem is that they may well be inferior on a race track, but you have not shown one single shred of proof that they are a poorer choice for the average street rider when using them for their intended purpose on the street.
PS. I mentioned Öhlins, Brembo, EBC & Pazzo because their components are also involved in critically important functions on the bike and if you really were that concerned for your safety you would make sure you had the best equipment all over your bike, not just in one area.
Time and time again you talk about race tracks, contact patches, crashing and such and INFER that the average rider is endangering their life by using Shinkos because they are inferior. The problem is that they may well be inferior on a race track, but you have not shown one single shred of proof that they are a poorer choice for the average street rider when using them for their intended purpose on the street.
PS. I mentioned Öhlins, Brembo, EBC & Pazzo because their components are also involved in critically important functions on the bike and if you really were that concerned for your safety you would make sure you had the best equipment all over your bike, not just in one area.
Dehning, I'm not running down anything. I simply want everyone to put Shinkos in their proper position on the performance chart. As I have said many times, buy what you want and ride what you buy. Arm yourself with knowledge and you'll make better decisions. Good judgment and common sense goes a long way in making decisions whether it's tires or women!
You have issues because there is little if any performance data on Shinko tires. It's not the fact that no one produces sound proof that shinkos are inferrior, its the fact that there is no quality data that says they are anything but round and black. This tells the whole story as far as I'm concerned. You say show me something that says they are inferrior and I say show me something that says they perform well.
I've searched the net and only found one tire test that I would put any faith in and the author of that test had serious issues with Shinko. I'm sorry but I can't put faith in Mity Mouse who says he couldn't afford a quality tire and purchased Shinkos because they were cheap and found they served his purpose just fine. You'll find mountains of tire test data on Michelin, Dunlop, Bridgestone and Pirelli but shinkos seem to always be left out of the mix.
I don't know about your neck of the woods but around my community a shinko tire is a rare find. Out of all the guys I know, I have one friend with shinkos on his bike. I've never seen a Shinko at the track in all the years I've been there. If Shinko made a decent dependable tire the track junkies would be all over that puppy cause tires are the largest expense once you are at the track. You'll find track junkies are the cheapest bunch of yahoos on the planet and always anxious to save a buck, me included. The track is also a great place to learn what works and what don't by simply wandering around peeking at what the track junkies are using. If it's cheap and you don't see it, means someone has already given it a shot and it failed.
I think you could get by without issues for commuting or touring as long as you don't ask more of the shinko than it can produce. The problem arrises when you find yourself in a situation where you are forced to demand more of the tire than it has to offer. An easy way to test your Shinko's ability to stop the Fat Chick is squeeze the brake until the tire locks or it lifts the rear of the bike. If the tire skids then you don't have enough tire on the front.
All I want is for you and all my other friends on the board to be as safe as possible. I have crashed so many times I think I actually invented a few new ways of crashing and it was no more fun the last time than it was the first time. While we can never make our two wheel thrill machines totally safe, we can certainly do things to improve our odds of reaching the retirement home without the assistance of a wheelchair.
Buy what you want, ride what you buy and ENJOY!
You have issues because there is little if any performance data on Shinko tires. It's not the fact that no one produces sound proof that shinkos are inferrior, its the fact that there is no quality data that says they are anything but round and black. This tells the whole story as far as I'm concerned. You say show me something that says they are inferrior and I say show me something that says they perform well.
I've searched the net and only found one tire test that I would put any faith in and the author of that test had serious issues with Shinko. I'm sorry but I can't put faith in Mity Mouse who says he couldn't afford a quality tire and purchased Shinkos because they were cheap and found they served his purpose just fine. You'll find mountains of tire test data on Michelin, Dunlop, Bridgestone and Pirelli but shinkos seem to always be left out of the mix.
I don't know about your neck of the woods but around my community a shinko tire is a rare find. Out of all the guys I know, I have one friend with shinkos on his bike. I've never seen a Shinko at the track in all the years I've been there. If Shinko made a decent dependable tire the track junkies would be all over that puppy cause tires are the largest expense once you are at the track. You'll find track junkies are the cheapest bunch of yahoos on the planet and always anxious to save a buck, me included. The track is also a great place to learn what works and what don't by simply wandering around peeking at what the track junkies are using. If it's cheap and you don't see it, means someone has already given it a shot and it failed.
I think you could get by without issues for commuting or touring as long as you don't ask more of the shinko than it can produce. The problem arrises when you find yourself in a situation where you are forced to demand more of the tire than it has to offer. An easy way to test your Shinko's ability to stop the Fat Chick is squeeze the brake until the tire locks or it lifts the rear of the bike. If the tire skids then you don't have enough tire on the front.
All I want is for you and all my other friends on the board to be as safe as possible. I have crashed so many times I think I actually invented a few new ways of crashing and it was no more fun the last time than it was the first time. While we can never make our two wheel thrill machines totally safe, we can certainly do things to improve our odds of reaching the retirement home without the assistance of a wheelchair.
Buy what you want, ride what you buy and ENJOY!
I've been riding Shinkos for the last 20,000 miles ( yes 20,000 ) they only thing is no good for rain . they last as long as others and I feel pretty good on them . I don't think that they are as good as pilots for the twisties but I don't do them as hard as I used too.
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silly me....I actually buy and use something before I make a decision on its quality.
maybe in the future, i will google....
"what are the hottest tires in Motogp" to help me decide on my next purchase of tires.
maybe in the future, i will google....
"what are the hottest tires in Motogp" to help me decide on my next purchase of tires.
Another note on this subject. I just put the Verge 011 sport touring tire on my 919 and apparently the new 010 and 011 tires from Shinko are have a much more rounded profile than previous tires did. It actually resembles the profile of the Diablo Corsa quite a bit. I didn't notice the new profile as much when I put them on the Busa because I used a 190 series tire and they always look flat to me. As always I went out and rode like an idiot and did not fall down and had no scary moments. There are no tests of these particular tires yet because they just came out but so far 
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Funny, just got my 009 Ravens installed on my CBR1100XX yesterday. Went back to a 180 (had 190 M3 before) and all can tell
you is that the bike feels absolutely incredible now. It feels much lighter now, rolls into corners MUCH easier, and even though turn in is a little slower, the transition is much smoother and to me much more predictable. I had started to wonder if was just the busa, but now I see that it's definitely the tire. With all due respect to all here, I'm done, I love these tires.
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you is that the bike feels absolutely incredible now. It feels much lighter now, rolls into corners MUCH easier, and even though turn in is a little slower, the transition is much smoother and to me much more predictable. I had started to wonder if was just the busa, but now I see that it's definitely the tire. With all due respect to all here, I'm done, I love these tires.
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that just cannot be. everybody knows that the only "good" tires have to be expensive.(sarcasm)
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Man, mello out. Too each his own. That what makes the world go around. I run Q2, anything you don't like about them? Never mind I don't care, I like them just like these bros like Shinkos.
I ran shinkos for about a year and it came time to change and i switched to pirelli angels. The shape is much better and the bike is way more easier to turn. I switched the back first and the front next and noticed a change in handling both times. I dont down shinkos because if you like them go for them but they are definitely not better than other tires. They are just a cheap tire fix. I dont know about the softer compounds but i had the hardest compound they make and didnt like them.
And you know me... Im all about cheap
And you know me... Im all about cheap
I ran shinkos for about a year and it came time to change and i switched to pirelli angels. The shape is much better and the bike is way more easier to turn. I switched the back first and the front next and noticed a change in handling both times. I dont down shinkos because if you like them go for them but they are definitely not better than other tires. They are just a cheap tire fix. I dont know about the softer compounds but i had the hardest compound they make and didnt like them.
And you know me... Im all about cheap
I like an honest man!
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