Shinko Tires
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You are 39 times more likely to die on your motorcycle than you are in your auto. As one poster said, "Mistakes are usually the culprit that causes a crash". This poster is correct. However, the better a tire performs the more and bigger mistakes the rider can get away with. If one is aware of these facts it makes it much easier to spend another fifty bucks on tires and increase the chances of staying upright by a large margin.
Some where in the area of 5,000 riders will die in 2011 on motorcycles. If you think you cannot possibly be included in the dead pool, you are indeed terribly misguided. My advise to you and everyone who reads this, please give some thought to that little black patch of rubber that connects you and your beast to the pavement. If it fails you in time of need your life can be changed in the blink of an eye.
I'm not trying to make your choices for you. Buy what you want, ride what you want and have fun. My interest is simply creating food for thought.
After all "It's CHOICE, not CHANCE that determines your destiny"!
Some where in the area of 5,000 riders will die in 2011 on motorcycles. If you think you cannot possibly be included in the dead pool, you are indeed terribly misguided. My advise to you and everyone who reads this, please give some thought to that little black patch of rubber that connects you and your beast to the pavement. If it fails you in time of need your life can be changed in the blink of an eye.
I'm not trying to make your choices for you. Buy what you want, ride what you want and have fun. My interest is simply creating food for thought.
After all "It's CHOICE, not CHANCE that determines your destiny"!
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AJAY
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Preface: I don't hate shinko tires. The 003 on my rear came with the bike has worn better than could be expected. Drag racers love this tire, but it doesn't corner and it sucks in the rain. A new Shinko 005, 009, or 011 is a better choice, and certainly better than a worn out tire any day.
That said, if you want decent long wearing rubber that handles well on a big bike, then maybe the Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 is cheap enough at $210 a set shipped to satisfy even a penny pincher like me. Cheap enough that you won't buy a Shinko. Even Tufbusa will probably agree (but will recommend a BT-016 for a stickier front).
Here's a link for Competition Accessories where they are on sale:
Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 Sport Touring Radial Tire Packages
And here's a test from Motorcyclist
MC Tested: Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 - Motorcyclist Magazine
That said, if you want decent long wearing rubber that handles well on a big bike, then maybe the Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 is cheap enough at $210 a set shipped to satisfy even a penny pincher like me. Cheap enough that you won't buy a Shinko. Even Tufbusa will probably agree (but will recommend a BT-016 for a stickier front).
Here's a link for Competition Accessories where they are on sale:
Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 Sport Touring Radial Tire Packages
And here's a test from Motorcyclist
MC Tested: Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 - Motorcyclist Magazine
afterhours
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You are 39 times more likely to die on your motorcycle than you are in your auto. As one poster said, "Mistakes are usually the culprit that causes a crash". This poster is correct. However, the better a tire performs the more and bigger mistakes the rider can get away with. If one is aware of these facts it makes it much easier to spend another fifty bucks on tires and increase the chances of staying upright by a large margin.
Some where in the area of 5,000 riders will die in 2011 on motorcycles. If you think you cannot possibly be included in the dead pool, you are indeed terribly misguided. My advise to you and everyone who reads this, please give some thought to that little black patch of rubber that connects you and your beast to the pavement. If it fails you in time of need your life can be changed in the blink of an eye.
I'm not trying to make your choices for you. Buy what you want, ride what you want and have fun. My interest is simply creating food for thought.
After all "It's CHOICE, not CHANCE that determines your destiny"!
You are quoting stats....to try and give your statements weight, and scare people into thinking as you do.
please tell us how many people died using Shinko's....
then tell us how many died using "quality brands"....
Then explain how the Shinko Tire was the cause of the accident, and then do the same for the "quality tire brands"....
I have a friend that owns salvage yard, he gets 50 - 100 crashed and impounded bikes per month thru his doors......most of the bikes are not crashed due to poor quality Shinko tires. In fact most of the bikes are low milage, and still have OEM factory tires.
some stats for you from 2008:
25% riders that died in crashes did not have a M/C license
29% of riders in fatal accidents were DUI/DWI and had a BAC over the legal limit
37% of riders killed were speeding
none of these have anything to do with Shinko tires.....
AJAY
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Continued reading on the Bridgestone BT-023. Pretty good reviews, and what a price!
MC Tested: Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 - Motorcyclist Magazine
Here's a review from a Pirelli lover who, tah-dah, picks the BT-023 over the Angels! Ok, I'm sold.
Pirelli Angel ST vs Bridgestone Battlax BT-023
MC Tested: Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 - Motorcyclist Magazine
Here's a review from a Pirelli lover who, tah-dah, picks the BT-023 over the Angels! Ok, I'm sold.
Pirelli Angel ST vs Bridgestone Battlax BT-023
I loved the BT-016's on my 919 but the rear only lasted about 1800 miles. Yes they were 1800 hard miles but still.. lol
This post goes to show differences in tire preference and impression. I've ridden in torrential downpours on 003's and was at how much wet grip they had. I've also ridden on the Bridgestones in heavy rain and they were also great. Worst premium tire in the rain IMHO (other than the Metzelers I mentioned in a previous post) were the Pirello Diablos. The rear would tend to move around a lot when the bike was travelling in a straight line but would be fine once you leaned into a turn. Wasn't dangerous but didn't inspire me to keep going either.
Probably the most important factor in tire choice is tire CHOICE! Don't buy Pirelli Supercorsas if your main riding is done on cold days in the rain and you never get above 55 mph. You'll probably fall down and your tires won't last. Also don't buy Shinko 005's if you're an A group trackday rider and looking to improve your lap times. You will also fall down but you will have plenty of tread left.
One thing that led me to run Shinkos in the first place is that they have always been a good value. I know that sometimes you can get one tire or another on a blowout deal but I really get tired (pun intended) of getting a tire, discovering I like it, then when I go to buy my next set paying 30% more because they aren't on sale. It's good to know that the Shinkos are a good tire at a reasonable price all of the time.
This post goes to show differences in tire preference and impression. I've ridden in torrential downpours on 003's and was at how much wet grip they had. I've also ridden on the Bridgestones in heavy rain and they were also great. Worst premium tire in the rain IMHO (other than the Metzelers I mentioned in a previous post) were the Pirello Diablos. The rear would tend to move around a lot when the bike was travelling in a straight line but would be fine once you leaned into a turn. Wasn't dangerous but didn't inspire me to keep going either.
Probably the most important factor in tire choice is tire CHOICE! Don't buy Pirelli Supercorsas if your main riding is done on cold days in the rain and you never get above 55 mph. You'll probably fall down and your tires won't last. Also don't buy Shinko 005's if you're an A group trackday rider and looking to improve your lap times. You will also fall down but you will have plenty of tread left.
One thing that led me to run Shinkos in the first place is that they have always been a good value. I know that sometimes you can get one tire or another on a blowout deal but I really get tired (pun intended) of getting a tire, discovering I like it, then when I go to buy my next set paying 30% more because they aren't on sale. It's good to know that the Shinkos are a good tire at a reasonable price all of the time.
Preface: I don't hate shinko tires. The 003 on my rear came with the bike has worn better than could be expected. Drag racers love this tire, but it doesn't corner and it sucks in the rain. A new Shinko 005, 009, or 011 is a better choice, and certainly better than a worn out tire any day.
That said, if you want decent long wearing rubber that handles well on a big bike, then maybe the Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 is cheap enough at $210 a set shipped to satisfy even a penny pincher like me. Cheap enough that you won't buy a Shinko. Even Tufbusa will probably agree (but will recommend a BT-016 for a stickier front).
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Here's a great deal on tires..
Continental Conti Motion Sport Touring Radial Tires - Z-Rated - Package Specials: Tires: Package Specials: Tire Express
Of course Shinko does make tires for Continental......
and a good deal on tires period
Michelin Pilot Power Motorcycle Tires - Z-Rated - Package Specials: Tires: Package Specials: Tire Express
Continental Conti Motion Sport Touring Radial Tires - Z-Rated - Package Specials: Tires: Package Specials: Tire Express
Of course Shinko does make tires for Continental......
and a good deal on tires period
Michelin Pilot Power Motorcycle Tires - Z-Rated - Package Specials: Tires: Package Specials: Tire Express
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Been real happy with my shinko's course i'm not out dragging elbows and what not, price isnt bad on em either and the fatty's arent cheap.
Had metzlers on my last busa without issue. Went to dunlop's on my 900RR and was destroying em
Had metzlers on my last busa without issue. Went to dunlop's on my 900RR and was destroying em
AJ, that 23 tire is a sweetheart. I have a BT016 front BT023 rear on my busa. One of my friends actually turned me onto this combo and I've been very pleased. The 16 give great performance on the front with braking and side grip while the 23 rear has pretty dang good performance for a touring tire. The dual compound allows plenty of knee dragging stick along with exceptional mileage. I made a 2200 mile trip to Montana's Glacier National Park late summer and the 23 looks as good as when I left.
16/23 is a great combination. All the reveiws in the UK as well as the US has given praise to the BT023!
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thanks, TufBusa. I called CompAcc and got a good price on the BT-023 set, not down to $210 but close. Of course, now I find you can do the 16/23 combo for under $240 from Jake Wilson. Oh well, from the reviews I should enjoy the pair of 023's.
I know why full on sport tires don't work for me. I primarily use my bike for touring type riding and am on Highways and fast two lanes without a lot of turns. The last Sport Dunlop I had on had a triangular shape to it which puts way more rubber on the road when the bike is leaned over in a turn.
How much? When I finally wore the tire out in about 3000 miles the cord was starting to show in the flat spot in the center. The tire was 9 inches across the surface. The flat spot that you ride on in a straight line was only 2 and 3/16ths wide which left just under 3 and 1/2 inches on each tire side that were unused unless you are leaned over.
The triangular shape biases the tire to performance riding in turns but at the sacrifice of straight line longevity. The 2 and 3/16 wear patch is not a lot and on a bike like a Busa you just know that there's tire slip even under normal acceleration which is condusive to tire wear.
I don't do any bike leaning during my highway rides so I have found that a tire with a flatter profile tends to last me much longer for my type of riding. With a track orientated tire I'm throwing out a basically unused tire thats worn in just a small section in the center.
How much? When I finally wore the tire out in about 3000 miles the cord was starting to show in the flat spot in the center. The tire was 9 inches across the surface. The flat spot that you ride on in a straight line was only 2 and 3/16ths wide which left just under 3 and 1/2 inches on each tire side that were unused unless you are leaned over.
The triangular shape biases the tire to performance riding in turns but at the sacrifice of straight line longevity. The 2 and 3/16 wear patch is not a lot and on a bike like a Busa you just know that there's tire slip even under normal acceleration which is condusive to tire wear.
I don't do any bike leaning during my highway rides so I have found that a tire with a flatter profile tends to last me much longer for my type of riding. With a track orientated tire I'm throwing out a basically unused tire thats worn in just a small section in the center.
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I went to check the tire pressure on my Blackbird yesterday and as I yanked the pump's connector off the valve stem, the valve stem broke off. Grrrr! I was going to just get a new valve put on when I realized that my Metzeler M3's are just about done, so I ordered ANOTHER set of Shinko 009 Ravens for my 'bird, $164 delivered to my door from Pinwall Cycle on Ebay.
That's how happy I am with them.
That's how happy I am with them.
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Ive put a few thousand mi on shinko 005's now. And they work great and get great mileage...Ive run them on my Busa and my GSXR's, they stick great and i have always got more mileage out of them than any of the pirelli's or dunlops i used to run...And have never got a "bad" tire yet. 6 sets so far. Im happy with them...and they are made off of the Yokohoma molds.
Dehning
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I don't believe Shinko is using actual old Yokohama molds, their molds and compounds are based on technology they acquired from Yokohama. BTW, if you are a more conservative rider, then you should try the 009's, they should give you even better mileage (and I have still dragged the pegs with them on the Busa!).
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From the reading I did on the Shinkos, the 009 Ravens get good wear, but are a little too hard for good grip leaned over. The new Shinko 011 tires look to be more of a compromise between grip and wear and may make a better tire for the Busa. It's still a single compound tire.
That said, Competition Accessories is still having their sale on the Bridgestone BT-023 for $209.99 per set (+$2.99 handling per order) and I do think this is probably a superior tire overall.
http://www.compacc.com/p/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-023-Sport-Touring-Radial-Tires-Front-and-Rear-Package
I agree with Soundman that it's nice that Shinko are priced like they are on sale all the time, but dollar-for-dollar, the BT-023 looks like a much better buy right now, better tire, lower price - a double win.
I've got a brand new set of BT-023s sitting in my garage right now. I thought they we so pretty that I tried to leave them in my living room, but my wife doesn't seem to appreciate the aesthetics the way I do. Women.......
That said, Competition Accessories is still having their sale on the Bridgestone BT-023 for $209.99 per set (+$2.99 handling per order) and I do think this is probably a superior tire overall.
http://www.compacc.com/p/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-023-Sport-Touring-Radial-Tires-Front-and-Rear-Package
I agree with Soundman that it's nice that Shinko are priced like they are on sale all the time, but dollar-for-dollar, the BT-023 looks like a much better buy right now, better tire, lower price - a double win.
I've got a brand new set of BT-023s sitting in my garage right now. I thought they we so pretty that I tried to leave them in my living room, but my wife doesn't seem to appreciate the aesthetics the way I do. Women.......
Dehning
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From the reading I did on the Shinkos, the 009 Ravens get good wear, but are a little too hard for good grip leaned over. The new Shinko 011 tires look to be more of a compromise between grip and wear and may make a better tire for the Busa. It's still a single compound tire.
That said, Competition Accessories is still having their sale on the Bridgestone BT-023 for $209.99 per set (+$2.99 handling per order) and I do think this is probably a superior tire overall.
Bridgestone Battlax BT-023 Sport Touring Radial Tire Packages
I agree with Soundman that it's nice that Shinko are priced like they are on sale all the time, but dollar-for-dollar, the BT-023 looks like a much better buy right now, better tire, lower price - a double win.
I've got a brand new set of BT-023s sitting in my garage right now. I thought they we so pretty that I tried to leave them in my living room, but my wife doesn't seem to appreciate the aesthetics the way I do. Women.......
Will have to try the 011's although I can't imagine needing more grip than I already get, as I said, I had to get new rearsets to raise my pegs so they woudn't drag on the 009's. I also hope that the BT-023's are better than the BT-016's, I had those on the Busa and replaced them when I got a puncture with the 009's and in my amateur-ish perspective, the Ravens were way more stable in the corners, even if their turn in wasn't quite as quick.
I can reluctantly listen to you brag about your chinese junk but I can't let you off the hook on this one. To compare the performance of a low grade Chinese (Korea) touring tire with a high performance tire such as Bridgestone's BT016 definately shows your inability to judge tires.
Below is a photo of the BT016 at work. Try this on your Shinko 009's and I will guarantee you'll get to test the abrasion quality of your jeans.
Dehning
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Funny, that looks just like a race track, in fact I'm sure it's a race track. The place where . . . let me see . . . what was the point again ???
Low grade huh? Nothing changes
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