skills test

(mkeschinger @ Nov. 05 2006,21:30) ok. so I have not been so "legal" for the last 6 years, but I have been safe and a good rider.  So, now I have a busa- love it!  Went down to take my skills test and in my eyes, they are on glue.  24ft to make a rt handed uturn- no feet- in the lines.  Also, the cones. 3 ft offset, about 7 feet apart, no feet.
Has anyone done this?  If so , I will keep practicing and try again, if not, I will find a 600  and just get it done with.
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It can be done on the Busa. I have to demo the u-turns in under 20 feet when I teach the class. I've done it on a Wing, Road King, VFR, R1 and a few others. The busa is the hardest one I have ever done it on but it can be done. Yell, if you are serious about practicing it and I'll give you some tips that may help you.

Better yet, sign up for a MSF ERC course and get some instruction. You'll be glad you did.
 
remember to look where you want to turn and counterweight your bike for the u-turn and it can be done, be careful if you decide to do this with your busa, if you counterweight incorrectly or do not carry enough speed through the u-turn you will drop your bike low speed. Balance is the key with this manuever.  I would say it definately is more challenging with a  hayabusa.  I qualified MSF with a 2001 VFR.
 
I took my test on a Honda ST 1100 and passed it with flying colors. I went down to the test place on a sunday and tried on my busa and also was able to pass it. All u have to do is practice although you may want to try on a diff bike. The busa costs to much if you drop it. I dropped the st once while practicing but it was made to be dropped. Practice, practice ,practice.
 
I'm for the smaller bike the busa doesn't have a good turning radi and a tight setup may lose you points. I did mine here in WA on a 600R no problem at all passed it at 100%.
 
(Professor @ Nov. 07 2006,16:12)
(mkeschinger @ Nov. 05 2006,21:30) ok. so I have not been so "legal" for the last 6 years, but I have been safe and a good rider.  So, now I have a busa- love it!  Went down to take my skills test and in my eyes, they are on glue.  24ft to make a rt handed uturn- no feet- in the lines.  Also, the cones. 3 ft offset, about 7 feet apart, no feet.
Has anyone done this?  If so , I will keep practicing and try again, if not, I will find a 600  and just get it done with.
Urghhhh
It can be done on the Busa. I have to demo the u-turns in under 20 feet when I teach the class. I've done it on a Wing, Road King, VFR, R1 and a few others. The busa is the hardest one I have ever done it on but it can be done. Yell, if you are serious about practicing it and I'll give you some tips that may help you.

Better yet, sign up for a MSF ERC course and get some instruction. You'll be glad you did.
Rt uturn in under 20 feet!? Wow! I definately want tips! I thought about taking the course, but the one they teach out here is on 500's and they supply the bikes. I will see if my dealer has any alternates. My pref would be to do the busa, personal challenge. Any tips and tricks would be great. I am 6'3 and 240. I know heavier riders need to change their center a bit. Also if there are any sites I can check out, I would appreciate that. I told myself no mods until I passed this.

Thanks again everyone. Still haven't found the midget at DMV though. ;)
 
I barely passed on my busa last thursday, it was my 2nd attempt and I lost all my points hitting cones but aced the rest of the course
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(mkeschinger @ Nov. 08 2006,01:35) Thanks again everyone.  Still haven't found the midget at DMV though. ;)
Look down.  
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I didn't even know mine was behind me until he attempted to climb up on the bike. I stopped him and told the instructor I don't ride dudes ... no matter their height. They then called a female midget to ride with me. She came out, I helped her up, and we were off. She was actually kinda cute but MAN could she nag. Turn now. No you're going too fast. Don't hit the cone. BRAKE! Geezus Kriste!

Anyways, due to her cute factor I decided to ask her out after I had passed. I approached her, started a bit of small talk (no pun intended), and finally asked her to have dinner with me and then maybe retreat back to my place. She declined but with good enough reason. At that second her husband walked in to pick her up. She introduced me to him and explained to him she just "helped" me pass the motorcycle test. He congratulated me and extended his hand. Although I was sorta upset that he had already taken her, I decided to be mature about it and shake his hand anyways. He then proceeded to hug his wife and that's when I felt I had to get a bit of payback on him for killing one of my fantasies. I pushed him down, took his Lucky Charms, and ran out the door!
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Oh ... I'm sorry ... what were we talking about?
 
You wanna pass the test? Learn rear brake control. A motorcycle operates on simple physics. Forward motion and/ or brakes on the rear wheel while in forward motion will keep the bike upright. That's why it is important to have your decelleration completed before entering a corner. The rear brake stands the bike up straight!! It's hard to turn at any real speed with the bike straight up and down.
Use this in your practice and you will not only wow your friends and neighbors but you'll no longer have to "pedal" the bike at slow speeds in parking lots showing the world you have no clue how to actually ride!
Set up the course in the street. Wal-Mart sells the cones 6/$5.00. put spots of spray paint where the cones need to be placed on the asphalt so you can easily re-set up the practice course and not tick off the neighbors. If you use gloss black on asphalt you'll be able to see it and the neighors won't even notice it.
It's hard to put the procedure into words but the first time you do it right you'll know it. Let the clutch out a little and cover the rear brake. (Leave the front alone for now, you're slowing, not stopping and the front brake will offset the physics we're using.) Position yourself on the far right hand side of the street. Go forward in 1st for 10 feet and apply the back brakes gently. While using the rear brake ONLY turn the bars full left. Resist the urge to put your feet down and concentrate on gently paddling the rear brake lever and using your upper body to keep the bike upright. If you must put your foot down the first couple times to stop yourself from dropping the bike, Obviously do so! Once you get the hang of that practice going right. Once you have left and right mastered, make your u-turn radius smaller and smaller until you see your neighbors cheering and throwing confetti.
Using this method, not only did I pass the test, I passed the test on a Harley Softail with a 34 degree front end rake, 21" tire and apehanger bars using the under 500cc course! (FYI the Busa's front rake is around 26 degrees) I passed with NO deductions. With practice, it can be done!!

Hope this helps...
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(mkeschinger @ Nov. 08 2006,00:35)
(Professor @ Nov. 07 2006,16:12)
(mkeschinger @ Nov. 05 2006,21:30) ok. so I have not been so "legal" for the last 6 years, but I have been safe and a good rider.  So, now I have a busa- love it!  Went down to take my skills test and in my eyes, they are on glue.  24ft to make a rt handed uturn- no feet- in the lines.  Also, the cones. 3 ft offset, about 7 feet apart, no feet.
Has anyone done this?  If so , I will keep practicing and try again, if not, I will find a 600  and just get it done with.
Urghhhh
It can be done on the Busa. I have to demo the u-turns in under 20 feet when I teach the class. I've done it on a Wing, Road King, VFR, R1 and a few others. The busa is the hardest one I have ever done it on but it can be done. Yell, if you are serious about practicing it and I'll give you some tips that may help you.

Better yet, sign up for a MSF ERC course and get some instruction. You'll be glad you did.
Rt uturn in under 20 feet!?  Wow!  I definately want tips!  I thought about taking the course, but the one they teach out here is on 500's and they supply the bikes.  I will see if my dealer has any alternates.  My pref would be to do the busa, personal challenge.  Any tips and tricks would be great.  I am 6'3 and 240. I know heavier riders need to change their center a bit.  Also if there are any sites I can check out, I would appreciate that.  I told myself no mods until I passed this.

Thanks again everyone.  Still haven't found the midget at DMV though. ;)
All of them except for maybe the Harley (Ride Smart) classes should allow you to take it on your bike with the one day Experienced Rider Course.

Here is a link to the AZ classes.

I'll post some tips a bit later.
 
One of the keys to getting a sharp turn at slow speeds is an aggressive lean angle. With any given amount of handlebar angle the more aggressive lean angle will decrease the radius of the turn. At these lows speeds, it is more difficult to balance the motorcycle at this lean angle so we use a counterweight technique. Trying to explain that without pictures is about impossible. Take a look here on page 21 Link

One of the most common mistakes is looking down at the lines. When you look down I hope you see a pretty good place to put your foot because that is usually the next thing that happens. Keep you eyes level with the horizon and use your peripheral vision.
Next you want to be looking where you are going. Turn your head and look over your shoulder. Jus as you start the turn you’ll be looking back at the path prior to initiating the turn about 50’ back. In the case of the box that is usually used for testing, you’ll be looking back at the place where you made entry into the box.

The clutch. You have to used what is called the friction zone. Picture having the clutch pulled all the way in at a stop. With the brake on, slowly let out the clutch until you can feel the power apply to the wheel. That is one end of the zone. The other end is when you are pulling in the clutch and it just starts to slip. We want to keep it in this zone, we’ll be controlling speed by the throttle as well, but more importantly by the clutch. If you pull the clutch in too much you remove the power, and loose the momentum that is keeping you upright. Let it out too much and you speed is too fast to get the angle and radius needed to make the turn. This will also help smooth any accidental blips of the throttle you might input during the turn. Not only is it a balancing act to keep the motorcycle up, you have to balance the application of the clutch and throttle.

Many of you that have taken a MSF course have seen these techniques. However you were likely training on much smaller motorcycles than a Busa. Most pick up a couple of the tricks and are able to do it without fully using all of them. You’ll have to use them all and exaggerate them to make it work on a busa. (at least I do)

What makes the Busa so hard to do it is a combination of the steering head angle, the wheel base, and the limited amount handlebar turn angle.

So what I have to do,
1 Head turn, looking over the shoulder where you intent to go , maybe even a bit further.
2 Eyes level with the horizon
3 Counterweight. I have to move over hand about a ½ a cheek off the seat toward the to out side of the turn
4 Clutch control, in the friction zone never fully released, use it to smooth and inadvertent throttle input
5 Handlebar turn, within the first 15-30 degrees of the turn I have to turn bars against the stop.
6 Just prior to the start of the left turn I bob the bars slightly to the right, then to the left. This makes the bike lean inside a bit quicker.
7. Drag the rear brake slightly. I not sure if Nick Lenatcsh or Reg Pridmore wrote it, but I agree it makes the bike think it is going 2-4 mph faster than it really is.


Turning to the left seems to be easier for most. I feel I have better throttle control with my arm stretched out than pulled against me.

I have been told I have done it in under 19’so I’m betting it can be done on an even smaller radius. MSF and most states that use the u-turn for testing have a requirement on a large bike of 24’. On the smaller bikes, the MSF requires a 20’max. When I teach the Basic Rider course, I always demo it on my bike in the 20’. I used to be able to do it on a Road King in under 14’. Like I said before, the Busa has been one of the most difficult bikes for me to perform the maneuver. It takes quite a bit of practice. Remember to work yourself up to is slowly, it is pretty common to see someone drop a bike attempting the maneuver.
Don’t scratch your busa.
 
Great tips and an incredible link. Just today I took almost 3 feet off of my turn radius. More practice.
BTB does anyone know the usual distance between the cones. I have been trying to work that as well. The more I ride this beast the more I love it. Thanks again everyone.
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If you are talking about the U-turn Box, MSF uses a 24 x 70 for the ERC and 20 x 60 for the BRC. Now there are provisions to match the box with the bike size by cc.

The weaves vary 30, 20, and 15'. Min is a 15' offset by 3 and a 20' offset by 8' to practice low speed skills.
 
Cool! I will work a cones course this weekend and set up the uturn box. Still working on the 24' Got to 26' comfortably this week. 3 feet to go. (never settle for minimum) 15' between cones with a 3ft offset. They looked much closer together than that, but I wouldn't write if I didn't trust.
Thanks again.
Any recommendations for frame sliders?
05 bright red and black busa

mk
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I did mine years ago with the 250 thing. I could probably do it today with the Busa after having it for almost a year, but probably not when I first got her.

The 250 is a nice way to only take it once and get it over with. That way no re-takes needed.

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(mkeschinger @ Nov. 05 2006,19:30) ok. so I have not been so "legal" for the last 6 years, but I have been safe and a good rider.  So, now I have a busa- love it!  Went down to take my skills test and in my eyes, they are on glue.  24ft to make a rt handed uturn- no feet- in the lines.  Also, the cones. 3 ft offset, about 7 feet apart, no feet.
Has anyone done this?  If so , I will keep practicing and try again, if not, I will find a 600  and just get it done with.
Urghhhh
It can be done, I did it on a Suzuki VL 1500 LC. The trick of the tight turns is to learn to use the rear brake with the power on to help with balance during slow turns. The MSF videos teach this technique... Practice, Practice, Practice...
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Ok, so I did it once today. Our street curb to curb is about 24 feet and I did it there. There definately is a sweet spot. I'll keep working at it. THe advice about the not locking out the steering, the eyes forward and the counter balancing were all stuff I was doing, when I WASN'T thinking about it. duhhhhhhh

Thanks again.
I will recommend this board to my dealer for all future and current busa owners.

TSD- Tire side down.

MK
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