So if your gonna run ...

i would think there has to be more to the story, i've never heard of $100,000 bail for just 90 mph and refusing to stop :whistle:
 
Murray was arrested on suspicion of reckless driving, driving a motorcycle without a license and recklessly evading an officer
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Since when are any of those cause or reason for police to draw their guns ?
And since they were drawn does this mean they were making ready to shoot him over these offenses ?
Geesh forget California ?
We were arguing the other day in my thread about police catching rider and beating him .
Several months ago there was a thread where rider did get shot and we all saw and commented on video .
Now here's a guy speeding and running and 'officers' , plural had weapons drawn ?
Am I wrong to be alarmed ?
 
90 mph on the highway, freeway, interstate is one thing.

90+ in a 35 or 45 or whatever the limit is near that busy shopping center in town is another story all together.

semi said:
i would think there has to be more to the story, i've never heard of $100,000 bail for just 90 mph and refusing to stop :whistle:
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moloko said:
90 mph on the highway, freeway, interstate is one thing.

90+ in a 35 or 45 or whatever the limit is near that busy shopping center in town is another story all together.
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oh, i agree with you completely and have no problem with the officers doing their job...i would expect to pay the price if i decided to take it to that level (and have paid my dues a time or two :laugh:)...i have just never personally heard of bail being set that high
 
Blanca Busa said:
Since when are any of those cause or reason for police to draw their guns ?
And since they were drawn does this mean they were making ready to shoot him over these offenses ?
Geesh forget California ?
We were arguing the other day in my thread about police catching rider and beating him .
Several months ago there was a thread where rider did get shot and we all saw and commented on video .
Now here's a guy speeding and running and 'officers' , plural had weapons drawn ?
Am I wrong to be alarmed ?
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How dramatic........

Your right Saiid, they should have just walked up nice like and asked him to step to the side and place his hands on the car...

Just out of curosity can you maybe tell me what he was running for? Did you know that most officers are killed each year on traffic stops..

Until you know why he was running or if he is armed absolutely guns out...

You listed two instances in several months where something happened.. do you by chance know how many traffic stops or pursuits occur each day? How many instances of the police doing something right are ever played out on youtube or make it to the news... Very seldom do you ever see a reporter in front of a police station reporting that things were great.... When was the last time that your news station broke into regular programming to tell you that nothing out of the ordinary was going on...

2 times recently out of the millions of interactions with police all over the country....

There have been more crashes of members on the site, statistically speaking you have a much greater chance of dying on your bike than you do having an altercation with police and being killed....
 
Cap that was a very long post just to say you disagree or I may be wrong :)
Which I may ?
I just don't think speeding and running is cause for them to draw their guns and possibly kill him ?
If he endangered a police officers life in the process of running like coming close to hitting one of them than ok gloves are off and I wouldn't question their actions .
And no I don't think they should just walk up and politely ask him to give up.

Just seems there should be some sort of middle ground or there is hopefully much more to the story because again speeding and running I would not think justifies potential deadly force on the part of the police .
 
Blanca Busa said:
Cap that was a very long post just to say you disagree or I may be wrong :)
Which I may ?
I just don't think speeding and running is cause for them to draw their guns and possibly kill him ?
If he endangered a police officers life in the process of running like coming close to hitting one of them than ok gloves are off and I wouldn't question their actions .
And no I don't think they should just walk up and politely ask him to give up.

Just seems there should be some sort of middle ground or there is hopefully much more to the story because again speeding and running I would not think justifies potential deadly force on the part of the police .
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I will make this shorter then....

Why was he running? Did you know before he stopped, neither did the police...

I don't think people ever think about why pursuits happen, many of them are drunk drivers thats pretty obvious... But a lot of pursuits happen cause the guy running has a reason he doesn't want to be caught.. So until you come up with a way to know before he stops then I would suggest you unholster your weapon and prepare for battle...

cap
 
Blanca Busa said:
Cap that was a very long post just to say you disagree or I may be wrong :)
Which I may ?
I just don't think speeding and running is cause for them to draw their guns and possibly kill him ?
If he endangered a police officers life in the process of running like coming close to hitting one of them than ok gloves are off and I wouldn't question their actions .
And no I don't think they should just walk up and politely ask him to give up.

Just seems there should be some sort of middle ground or there is hopefully much more to the story because again speeding and running I would not think justifies potential deadly force on the part of the police .
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Me, being the sane person that I am...
Driving in town, minding my own business, driving a bit too fast. OH crap I'm being pulled over.

Now, I can pull over... Be really nice, oh damn I screwed up. Sorry, possibly get a warning, at most a speeding ticket.

OR

I can VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM and I'm out of here!!! Rushing through traffic, endangering people and myself over what? Basically nothing.

In the second scenario the cops have every right to think he must be up to something else, did he just commit a different crime that hasn't been reported yet? Is he armed? Is he loaded up on, or with drugs... and armed? WHO KNOWS? Why risk it. If you have those suspicions it's better to have guns drawn protecting yourself than have one drawn on you and be dead. Someone that determined under those circumstances prolly does want to get away badly enough to shoot you.

Now, I'm sure some of us are guilty of seeing a cop pull out on us or u turn on the highway, and we may burst up to triple digits out of sight and taking the next off ramp to safety... but would you really pull this stunt in moderate to heavy traffic in town?? Running has it's risks, and this is one of them. Don't want to pull over, be prepared to be treated like a criminal.

These guys have a dangerous job, with high disregard, especially from the people they are after. No I don't want to see a police state, and some take it too far, but it's pretty crazy out there. I wouldn't take any chances either.
 
let me mediate:

if I was the runner and got caught, I would expect guns to be DRAWN, but not POINTED at me until i posed a serious threat back to one of the leo's.

drawn is acceptable, they are defending themselves from an unknown situation.

pointed is unacceptable until a threat is perceived IMO.


just my 2 pence.
 
$100k is too much. Seems like either the news messed up and didnt give us all the facts OR the judge really hates bikers!!:whistle:
 
I think that if you run from the police, endangering the lives of others and the officers in pursuit, it should be a mandatory 5 minute serious :moon: whooping. :poke: I don't blame them for drawing their weapons. EVERY single time I have seen people run on cops or in the news paper, they had weapons, drugs, warrants, no license, etc, or any combination of the above.

I agree the post I had seen a while back where the biker was actually shot for really no reason was total BS and the officer should be prosecuted accordingly, that was one instance of a horrible bad reaction by an officer. However, anytime someone runs they should have guns drawn on them when they finally pull over or wreck.

I'm not a police officer, just a realist. Taking up for criminals is what got our justice system to the point its at now where criminals have more rights than the law abiding citizens it often seems. Screw em, if they can't do the time they shouldn't have done the crime
 
My last line in my first post said
'am I wrong to be alarmed' ?
I hypothesized and asked .
If y'all think I'm wrong fine .
I understand Caps opinion and agree with it .
 
Saiid, running from the cops is a felony. It's called "Felony Evasion". I'm sure cops in every state are either encouraged or required to have their weapon at the ready during a felony arrest.

And I might add that you are apt to get roughed up when you get caught. If you run and get caught don't complain if you reach your cell with a few bruises because nobody except the attorneys care!

However, there must be some serious aligations for the bail to be set at $100K. Seems unreasonable but who knows what went on during the chase?
 
Blanca Busa said:
Cap that was a very long post just to say you disagree or I may be wrong :)
Which I may ?
I just don't think speeding and running is cause for them to draw their guns and possibly kill him ?
If he endangered a police officers life in the process of running like coming close to hitting one of them than ok gloves are off and I wouldn't question their actions .
And no I don't think they should just walk up and politely ask him to give up.

Just seems there should be some sort of middle ground or there is hopefully much more to the story because again speeding and running I would not think justifies potential deadly force on the part of the police .
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Stupid enough to run, stupid enough to do who knows what else. If he's going to run then they have got to assume he has good reason to evade arrest. He obviously did not want to be caught, once off the bike, who knows what further attempts he was going to make to avoid arrest. Guns drawn doesn't necessarily mean pointed. What's middle ground? Pepper spray, tazer?
 
Blanca Busa said:
Since when are any of those cause or reason for police to draw their guns ?
And since they were drawn does this mean they were making ready to shoot him over these offenses ?
Geesh forget California ?
We were arguing the other day in my thread about police catching rider and beating him .
Several months ago there was a thread where rider did get shot and we all saw and commented on video .
Now here's a guy speeding and running and 'officers' , plural had weapons drawn ?
Am I wrong to be alarmed ?
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I'd have to admit.. I'd have my gun drawn, not knowing what to expect. Well as long as he complied and got off at that point, I'd put it away.
 
Who was it that said the white guys don't get treated fairly because they are never given the chance to become rich from getting beat down? Well here they just drew guns.. The other guy they shot (for complying in the first place).. So as a black man I'll take my beatings as if I were white there's only a 50/50 chance of him not shooting me.. haha.. Sorry.. just trying to laugh and make light of an already explosive topic that's been fed jet fuel. lol
 
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