Sooo...so who sabotaged the pipeline?

[Kiwi Rider]

Ukraine has been in conflict with some regions for years. That's not news. But the land in question is sovereign Ukraine territory. Ukraine's position is we aren't going to just give you the land because you wish it to be so. They could have handed it over years ago. If Russia wants to annex it by force, then Ukraine's has every right to defend it.

Fair call.
But remember Crimea? See what happened there?
We will see how this one goes down.
Time will tell.

 

[Zerks]

The first question is... who benefits from these sabotaged gas pipelines? How long does it take to repair them? Who would be willing to sabotage them again?

I believe the other question as to who did it is pretty obvious given that Biden said he could get it done if he wanted it done. If so... what a Dumb A.... poking Putin isn't for the faint hearted leadership taking up space in the current administration right now.

The Neocons and Corn Pop want war... its time to make a few bucks and show the world who's Boss...

Are the Germans still laughing about getting their biggest gas lines getting cutoff ?

 

[TallTom]

Fair call.
But remember Crimea? See what happened there?
We will see how this one goes down.
Time will tell.

Crimea happened during a Pro Russia government. Zalenski was elected, in part, because of his opposition to Russia. Nobody did a thing to intervene there. Not a shot was fired. It was handed over to Putin.

I suspect Crimea will be back in the hands of Ukraine when all of this settles. They are key piece of real estate down on the coast. As we saw in this conflict.

 

[TallTom]

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[Rubberrabbit]

Well, that has no effect on the Germans at the moment. We haven't received any gas from the Russians for weeks or a maximum of 5% of the usual production volume. Our gas storage tanks are 90% full, but are intended more as a reserve. 40% of households and the whole industry work with gas, that's a problem. Our chancellor and our economy minister go begging to both Saudis and try to get hold of gas everywhere. And since we haven't even built good LNG terminals in the EU, we can't even take the overpriced stuff from the States because we can't store it and ship it.

You feel like you are in a third world country. Shower less, heat less, drive less, less of EVERYTHING! Only industry and politicians should not be persuaded to give up.

We've just had a siren alarm exercise again, a strange feeling.

But no, the war is wanted, many say a proxy war by the USA, so that the Russians can finally be harmed without endangering their own soldiers.

Still others speak of a huge red herring because we need to camouflage an economic crisis and recession. It doesn't matter whether it's from the east or west media, you have the feeling that it's just propaganda.

Every day on TV the saying "Zelenski demands". Money, guns, more guns, better guns, more money, more help, more sacrifice. He sees it as a duty that Germans suffer and renounce. Aha.. nice for him!

So the question again, who would really benefit from this? Wouldn't the Russians have left evidence of the Ukrainians' guilt if their aim had really been to say "daaa look at it, they're sabotaging us, so we're going on with the war"? Or did the US simply take their chance, as has been predicted for ages? I don't think the Ukrainis sodliers are able to do such an operation, they're a bunch of cucumbers... I realize that many of those who don't understand the complicated weapons that we deliver.

 

[Bumblebee]

Well, that has no effect on the Germans at the moment. We haven't received any gas from the Russians for weeks or a maximum of 5% of the usual production volume. Our gas storage tanks are 90% full, but are intended more as a reserve. 40% of households and the whole industry work with gas, that's a problem. Our chancellor and our economy minister go begging to both Saudis and try to get hold of gas everywhere. And since we haven't even built good LNG terminals in the EU, we can't even take the overpriced stuff from the States because we can't store it and ship it.

You feel like you are in a third world country. Shower less, heat less, drive less, less of EVERYTHING! Only industry and politicians should not be persuaded to give up.

We've just had a siren alarm exercise again, a strange feeling.

But no, the war is wanted, many say a proxy war by the USA, so that the Russians can finally be harmed without endangering their own soldiers.

Still others speak of a huge red herring because we need to camouflage an economic crisis and recession. It doesn't matter whether it's from the east or west media, you have the feeling that it's just propaganda.

Every day on TV the saying "Zelenski demands". Money, guns, more guns, better guns, more money, more help, more sacrifice. He sees it as a duty that Germans suffer and renounce. Aha.. nice for him!

So the question again, who would really benefit from this? Wouldn't the Russians have left evidence of the Ukrainians' guilt if their aim had really been to say "daaa look at it, they're sabotaging us, so we're going on with the war"? Or did the US simply take their chance, as has been predicted for ages? I don't think the Ukrainis sodliers are able to do such an operation, they're a bunch of cucumbers... I realize that many of those who don't understand the complicated weapons that we deliver.

NATO countries have already admitted to having advisors and trainers on the ground in Ukraine, I don't know if any of them are actually targeting and pulling triggers but chances are good...

There are Ukrainian units rotating through training on some of this sophisticated weaponry in other countries....and there seems to be a constant flowing supply of these weapon systems...

With all the advanced technology and weapon systems from the west, Ukraine stands a real chance to push the Russians back to their border.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

NATO countries have already admitted to having advisors and trainers on the ground in Ukraine, I don't know if any of them are actually targeting and pulling triggers but chances are good...

There are Ukrainian units rotating through training on some of this sophisticated weaponry in other countries....and there seems to be a constant flowing supply of these weapon systems...

With all the advanced technology and weapon systems from the west, Ukraine stands a real chance to push the Russians back to their border.

Hi. It is kind of looking more like Viet Nam everyday.

 

[kim windsor]

Well Europe is once again in great excitement. So who manipulated the Russians' North Stream 1 and 2 pipelines? You really can't believe our media anymore, what theses are being spread here, what "experts" are dragging in front of the camera here is a bad joke. People I wouldn't even trust to tie their own shoes.

The Russian...that was the bad Russian...it must have been him. Now I ask myself, does he Russian really need that? If he doesn't want to step on the gas, he can simply turn off the gas, like he's doing with Germany, we're not getting any gas. Would the Russian sabotage his own pipeline that brings him foreign exchange?

Was it the Ukrainians? Those who constantly demand new weapons from us, get billions in money from the EU and demand more and more every day? Did theywant to increase the pressure on the EU? Do they have any chance at all, to do this kind of sabotage? When I see their special forces, I get the chills, the looking like weekend hobby soldiers.

And now? Now many are jumping on the USA Hate Train! Well, I mean, Trump and Biden always wanted to prevent North Stream 2. "We're going to end this," they said, or "If we want it, these pipelines won't deliver any more gas." In addition, there were reports from US ships that were in the vicinity at the time and, coincidentally, the tracking systems failed.

Now the net is boiling with us! One madness after another!

What's the matter with the world? Sometimes I think the extinction of humanity would be a blessing of destiny. lies, hysteria, madness...

It's true what was once said, in war the truth dies first!

Well said