STALEMATE

[Guest]

Just wanted to let the core group here know that today I tried to re-join the ranks of the busa elite. I was on the phone to Muzzy, yoshimura and dynojet among others trying to plan the shipping(red label on everything). I went to the dealership to finalize and they wont budge off my xx + 2k. I agreed to go 1,500 but they shook their heads. The whole reason I want to do this is the cost advantages over the 12 and they are negating that. Its gonna be tough to find another silver/blue on the showroom down here. Any words of encouragement or advise?

 

[OB_Superman]

Omega
I don't know if your pulling our chains or not. I find it very hard to believe that a Kawasaki diehard such as yourself wishes to trade in his membership. If you're serious, a blue one is easy to come by in Canada. By the way, I think it would be a smart move seeing how the ZX-12 is supposedly being held up yet another month. The end of march or sometime in april now. Problems must be a little bigger than they thought huh?

 

[OB_c.dolan]

To Omega: I may not know the whole story, but it would seem if the dealer was going $ 2000 + your trade in, the "spread would be even higher, against a ZX-12, which may not even be here, for awhile. You may want to take the "blue", and get some sleep, instead of worrying about it.... Someone ( you ? ) mentioned a silver Canadian version, in Fla. I don't think I would want to gamble that much money, unless I was sure I could legally register it. Good luck, on whatever you do.

 

[OB_VegasDude]

Hey Omega, I thought you were a zx12 man. What gives............?no flame just curious.............

 

[OB_VegasDude]

Hey omega, just bite the bullet and pay the 2000, You will be glad you did. I think the blue is kick *** and put a set of the silver dymags like Bob purchased and it would look killer...............

 

[Guest]

The silver dymags were my thought as well, I'm gonna offer 1750 tomorrow see if they go for it. Its not a change, its always been right at the forefront. The 12 hasnt proven anything yet. The biggest appeal the busa holds for me is its "heavy duty" construction, the damn things built like a sherman tank. Every time I get off the blackbird I want to give it a percocet for the pain it just endured. The busa will be sittin there askin me: is that all you got boy?

 

[Guest]

Omega - most of the 2000s are going for MSRP. I had to bite the bullet too. That seems pretty good for your XX considering what I got for my 99 Busa. I don't know what a fair trade in value for your XX is. I'm sure it's probably worth more to you than to a dealer - especially with mods. 10800 - 2000 would leave $8800 for
the XX. How many miles etc on your XX?
Didn't you once mention it was a 2000 XX?
Was the price offered on your XX WITH the mods or could you get the same with the stock parts back on it? (you could sell the aftermarket parts for xtra $) Have you noticed any Busa buyers in the Florida vacinity mention buying a Busa for less than MSRP? Have you checked the archives? What about a tax return this year? Would that help?

 

[Guest]

OMEGA,

I live in Miami and I am on a temporary assigment here in Mesa Arizona where I purchaced a new 99 last year from a local dealer that sold me the bike for 100 dollars under list. I then registered the bike in Miami and paid the sales tax there. He has a blue and red 2K as of last week. It would cost you 550 dollars to ship the bike from here on Allied Van Lines. I will be shiping my bike with them this March.
If are interested email me. I hope when I get back to Miami we can go for a ride.

Ride Safe, Bob

 

[Guest]

This is much deeper than the 2k, its about destiny. The most spiritual moments of my life are spent aboard these bikes. Another side says wait another 30 days and see if the 12 is the messiah. Cause if it is, I'll be plunkin down another 2k in a month or so if I go for their deal or not. My bird is a 2000 with 2600 miles and 2k in mods. Its 450 dry with 156rwhp. I had planned another 4 grand in mods but held off because of the 12.

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

Omega for what it's worth I think that you're leaning toward the 1300R for the right reasons.

A bigger guy needs a beefier horse. And feels better on one too.

We may never know, but I suspect that the surprisingly high weight of the 12 is overly-concentrated in the new frame for safety's sake, whereas the weight of the Busa has been more evenly distributed with more robust construction almost everywhere.

Main frames aside, the Busa seems substantially beefier in the sub-frame, transmission, triple clamps and wheels.

I don't know about the forks and shock, but those with specs for both bikes at their fingertips may find some differences there, and that would be crucial.

Also, many of the non-structural sub-assemblies seem beefier on the Busa. Wiring, rearsets, linkages, instrumentation, bars etc.

Psychologically, the 12 has a petiteness of presence to it that makes the XX and the Busa seem big in comparison. This factor, which is more a function of design than actual bulk, may be irking you a little...especially given that you've owned at least one Harley.

Leaving the XX behind makes sense for you. Even though it may have the beef you need, it just does not have the performance futures built into it, nor the commitment from the aftermarket, that the Busa and the 12 have.

If I were your size, and if I modified and rode my bike the way you say you do, I'd be choosing the 1300r.

And screw $500 this way or that. Being comfortable with your most important material possession is the main consideration.

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

Sorry, double post.

[This message has been edited by Dirty Pete (edited 18 February 2000).]

 

[OB_pooh]

Omega:

Didn't you sell a 99 'Busa in order to get the Blackie?? I seem to remember you not "bonding" very well with the 'Busa, what makes you think it'll be different the second time around?

You have $2K in the Blackie and would need another $2k just to end up with a stock 00 'busa....I'd keep the XX and put more $$$ into it to make it ultra special. I'm not a fan of losing $$$ on changing nearly new bikes every year just to keep up with the latest fashion. The only reason why I have a 'Busa is because my '98 ZX9R was written off by a driver not using a roundabout correctly.

Just my .02pence.

 

[Guest]

DONE.

 

[OB_KawAbuser]

OMEGA give the XX an overdose of percocet, collect its life insurance and feed the Blue Busa an occasional canadian blue so the big Busa doesn't get caught up in an anxiety attack waiting for its next flogging.

Dr. KAWvorkian - MD
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The XX is a nice bike, Honda still sells them and people still buy them. Put it in the paper and sell it, or find a multi line dealer to take it off your hands.

There are Blue Hayabusa's at SkyCycle in Lunenburg Mass. And the price is negotiable

Or keep the XX and blow the wad on the RC51 and HRC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Kits.

 

[Guest]

Try dealing with the dealer in parts or accessories. I told my dealer I would meet his price on an '00 right now if he would give me the bike and a matching $440 Arai helmet. He went for it. That saved me $440 but only cost the dealer perhaps $200. The deal worked great for both of us.

Try dealing with bike and your Muzzy or a PC2 or something of reasonable value.

Good Luck whatever you buy.

 

[Guest]

Eloquently put buser, I woke up today with another thought on how I could swing the deal for the 1,500 difference. Wish me luck.
Pooh, you read and retain well. The difference this time will be knowledge.

 

[Guest]

It came out of the box with a cracked fairing, its been on order for a week. As soon as the fairing arrives I'll pick it up. Gives me time to get all my parts together this week. Remember your post about the "unkillable hyabusa"? Could you elaborate on it a bit more just to drive the point home and bolster my resolve in this deal? After all, the above post is what finally tipped the scales. Honestly.

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

Omega beyond what I said above, which was more of a comparative view than I've written before on the construction of the two bikes, any observations are purely personal and should be discounted as such.

I've run my Busa into the weeds twice at the Shannonville race track. This puts you into hard, dry, rain rutted dirt with a lot of large buried rocks and 10" holes. At the time I weighed 190 plus gear. Hitting this stuff at 80 mph and managing your slowdown by staying straight and using the back brake means getting up on your pegs and dirt riding an interminable slow-down while you smack into whatever's coming because you have zero turning ability. Your tires are not on the ground very much and when they are they're getting banged hard and thrown up again.

My Busa took some helacious whacks in these two excursions, whacks that I felt should have bent the forks, damaged their innards or the head bearings, cracked a rim or an engine mounting hole, or caused some rear-end damage. I heard a lot of scary metal-to-metal bangs. But nothing happened and I was amazed. Didn't even blow a seal!

On most other bikes I have been able to find a weak link in the chassis and drive train chain...a place where the bike will break, bend or twist under stress. But not on the Busa. Its chassis seems to be built to absorb more punishment than any riding short of a high impact crash can deliver.

I bet that this chassis strength (call it integrity if you want) is the real reason why the Busa is so remarkeably rock solid stable both at high speeds and in corners on rough pavement.

I've refered to that phenomenon at .org as "peaceful velocity," and that description was well subscribed to by other members. I'm sure you've noted that every reviewer of the bike raves about this quality of the Busa.

Personally, I think that this chassis stability is the most remarkeable aspect of the bike. I predict the Busa will prove able to streetably handle more turbo horsepower than any production bike ever built.

I hope this provides some encouragement for you. While I'm sure that the broken promises of KMC have made you angry, I hope that your decision won't be driven by your disappointment.

There. That's about as long as I can handle being mature and responsible. Can I go back to being an a-hole now?

 

[Guest]

Omega,
From what I have heard about the Blackbirds and the way the ones I sat on felt, I would have to consider keeping it. They feel more comfortable than the Busa to me. For a little more than the 2K difference, you could hang a nice turbo on it. I love the lines on the XX, looks sleek and finish is great. You have a bird in the hand unless you just don't like the bike! Just my opinion. Jack

 

[OB_steve lambert]

Omega,take the busa now. The kawasaki is going to be a first year bike , so you watch and see what screws up and if it proves itself you cant lose on the resale of a blue and silver y2k busa. I have no brand loyalty at all. I just want the best bang out there if the zx proves itself then Ill have a blue and silver all stock for sale in about august. And I bet I dont have a problem selling it. Ill bet the zx is a turd anyway.