\"Stock\" MUZZY Piped ZX-12R goes 199.3mph.....

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Muzzy, they have a stock Zx-12 go 192mph, and a piped only go 199.3mph
as posted on Dragbike.com

I guess all the cycle magazines didn't use the right gas.....more Kawaski propaganda, they have too many ZX-12R's sitting on the showroom floor......
 
Well I cant keep my mouth shut on this one.I remember getting flamed by
Mr.Marty Kane awhile ago when I stated the ZX12 that Rickey ran a mid 9 on
wasnt stock(remember that Marty?)Later on Rickey tested for another Magazine and
ran a 9.91 with a lowered ZX12 and couldnt come close to reproducing the
same low numbers and to this date still hasnt come close to those numbers on any ZX12 that was from a dealer.I guess you ate a little Crow on that one huh Marty.Now try to follow along.Somewhere along the line someone stated RESTRICTED RESTRICTED that is why the bike is so slow.Now Muzzy sets up a top speed run,Kawi sends them a bike from the factory and they run it to 192,install a Muzzy exhaust then it runs 199.At that speed it would take alot more than a exhaust to
run 7 mph more.The Air pressure is enormous.Did someone disassemble the motor after it was received from Kawi and again when it was brought to the testing
facility?Hell No.This ZX12 had it's motor blueprinted and the ECU has been
modifed.Kawi is hurting from low sales of the ZX12,they are full throttle
with the Propaganda to get sales up.First is was faster than the 1300,then
when the bike was released it was restricted,now it's faster again.I say
lets just have Yoshimura get a 1300,Muzzy get a ZX12 and let them both go at
it.If you really believe Kawi would send Muzzy a underpowered ZX12 that is going
to be tested you really need to think again.The shite is really starting to
get deep from Kawi.Boy am I glad I like Suzukis.Chris I'm sure your brother did a very good job verifying the timing but something smells very rotten here.My hats off the Kawi and Muzzy for coming up with this stunt and my condolenses for anyone who believes this crap.

Nick


[This message has been edited by Gixxer1300R (edited 12 July 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Gixxer1300R (edited 13 July 2000).]
 
Motor stock, sealed, and will be torn down in front of neutral parties. Timing equip. also more accurate than radar guns used by some magazines.
 
Cmon chris, you dont really believe that? Do you realize the kind of hp it takes to go from 192 to 199? Scratch that. I know you do.
I love when they say "ordered directly from kawasaki" then seviced and broke in on the schenk dyno. Muzzys uses an eddy current.
I give them credit though, this will be a good shot in the arm to boost failing sales. I'll bet all the major publications will get "tipped off" and have a sidebar on this run.
Just as a sidenote we have a 2000 burgundy busa with nothing more than a yosh pipe and pc2 that made 2 runs back to back in both directions read by gps and certified radar that went 200.1 one way and 200.3 the other. This was witnessed by 20 or more spectators.
His screen name here is GSX and there was a thread on it a few weeks ago.
Honestly a pipe wont get you 7mph over 192,no way in heeeeellllll.
 
I give these guys all the credit in the world chris, this is one of the most brilliant corporate damage control schemes I have ever witnessed.
The consumer will never question the validity of the run.
I agree with Nick, suzuki should respond with a combined effort with yoshimura and procure a pair of bikes from the factory just as was done here.
Let the morons argue this one out, those of us who know this industry all realize what this was.
Hell, the muzzy is being outperformed handily by the akrapovic on every 12 they've been dynoed on.
Why shouldnt you be able to get 199 out of your bike chris?????????? After all, its set up exactly the same, right? Wont happen buddy and you know it.
 
Gixxer1300R - I'm fully aware of what it takes to generate 200mph. Apparently your calculations are a little off. If the stock 12 has approx. 160 HP and Muzzy claims 10 percent with its pipe, (which I think is a little high and certainly not on an average) this adds up to 176 HP. We have proof that the Muzzy pipe (approx. 16 Hp) has produced 7 mph. Now who measured the HP? From what I seen posted, Muzzy did. Theoretically if Muzzy did the dyno before and after the pipe, the HP gain could be questionable. But proof that there was a 7 mph difference between the Muzzy pipe and stock is solid. Unless you question the integrity of the people involved in the testing and the people who are verifying the bike post testing. I think that Muzzy and probably Kawasaki went through a lot trouble to make shore this testing was accurate and real. So with all that said I've come to the conclusion that the aerodynamics of the 12 is extremely good and that the Muzzy makes a big difference.

Koz
 
Bottom line and personally I don`t care if the 12 is faster or not stock or with a pipe. The busa USUALLY wins most street races due to a torque advantage. So big deal on the pipe and top speed. I agreee with hapo and this includes me most people never see the top end of a bike. Basically a lot of hype to promote a bike that has turned into somewhat of a flop for kawasaki and a high performance shop to sell thier product. I still think the 12 is a good bike...just not as good as a busa...ride one and most people will agree that the busa is a better product. I`ve been in lets say 10-15 bike shops lately while traveling...saw one sold busa...some dealers had four 12`s...thats the bottom line on all this.......
 
cbxchris and others, I absolutely do not agree ( see my post, traded busa for 12R). What you have here is conclusive evidence of what I told you on my post, the Busa is a **** machine.....end of story.By the way, how long do you think Suzuki stock of cam chain tensioners will last, since you have to replace the fukkin thing every 2000 miles?? No wonder you guys don't see the top speed on that **** , cause you're too afraid the thing will blow!
 
....well, speedy, it yer lucky day, as I generaly ignore spammy **** like you....but many of us have had the option and chossen the Busa....we are all a bit stupid, I guess, but I don't have to wait 2000 miles to "break in" the Busa, and I already like the relitivly smooth, powerful Busa engine....as a super srteet bike it seems head and shoulders above the ZX12 to me....the race 'Pete had just confirms my own obsevations, some from the saddle....good luck to the 12 crowd, I considered one myself, but there is a reason the Busa is preffered by the majority....it is silmply more acceesable than the 12 in most situatons, fitted better, and has a "look" that has caught on...and yet is as pure an Ultra Sport as the 12 could ever claim to be....all good reasons for a rad Kaw Boy to hate it all the more....enjoy....
 
Can I put my 2cents in? Well, I will anyway.
All ZX-12 dyno charts I have seen hit the rev limiter around 187mph. I realize they may me off a little; but 12 mph? I doubt it.
I know the 12 is geared shorter than the busa in top gear....this is fact...and the busa hits rev limiter at 196mph. You say its stock gearing....and I say it never happened. Not with stock gearing.
 
To cbxchris, You got one out of three correct.
(1)Yes we just did this test to develope and promote MUZZY products.
(2)The only horse I have bought in the last two years was 4,000.00 and it wasnt for my wife.
(3)My company MUZZYS has been a financial contributor to the Muzzy/Kawasaki Road Race team for years.1999 contribution well above 150,000.00. Your accusations are as silly as the rest of your comments.
 
This question is for Rob Muzzy

Why would you have to do a top end run to promoted any Muzzy Products?I'm quite sure they are selling well if you contributed 150K to Road racing last year.If you did do this top end run to promote Muzzy Products you should have included other Brands of bikes that you make products for along with the ZX12 or was this a Promotion for the ZX12 also?Who is going to be the third party that will inspect the bike.Will he be able to tell if the ECU was tampered with from the factory?Is it really that hard to hire someone that will make your Carbon Fiber Inner Fairing panels for the Busa?


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Its funny that everyone is so skeptical about this run, especially since C. Dolan(a very respected member on this board) has come out and told everyone that it was his brother that took the readings and he does'nt doubt it at all.

Fast Bikes went 193mph, Bikenet.com went 194mph, So why is this so hard to beleave?? Or do you not beleave those as well?? Seems that you only beleave something when its the Busa that did it.

I think you should all open your eyes and realize there are two fast bikes to choose from now.

Maybe 2001 will bring a third, maybe not, or maybe something will blow both of them out of the running.

Now go on back to bashing the 12, Rob Muzzy, & anyone else that has a different opinion than yours.


NN
 
I don't know about these 12s, their condition, etc. but, I do know Jack Dolan. As far as I am concerned, there is only one timer in the whole country and that is Jack. Years ago I was present where a situation of false speeds were happening and Jack was an official. Pressure was put on him, but he would not back down. He flat refused to recognise them, period.

If Jack said the 12 went 225 mph, I would have to believe it.

What I am saying is that these bikes went as fast as Jack said they did.

Jay
 
Nothing but a promotional tool to sell pipes for muzzy.....I guess he needs it after kaw give him the boot with the roadrace team. Maybe his wife needs some more of them 50 grand horses that he bought with the roadrace budget last year and the year before?
 
Speedster,

190mph indicated was fast enough for me the times I did pay attention to speedo. This year, I have not given a thought to look to see what I was doing when I had "my foot in it". I (personally) don't need to do it on a regular basis to enjoy this bike (busa).

Furthermore, your stating that you traded one bike for the latter means nothing without proof, and even with proof, it wouldn't make a hill out of beans. Dang man, who cares?

I don't know you Speedster, but I bet you type better than you ride.

And as far as the professionals' comments pertaining to their tests/results/products, etc?..........Please allow the alleged test/product results speak for themselves. If authentic, you need not continue to defend it. That alone causes me to doubt.

THE TRUTH ALWAYS RISES TO THE TOP. Chill and allow that to happen.

ps. Great last questions Nick.
 
Thanks byhalia,Jay I have no doubts that the ZX12 ran that mph.My hats off to Kawi and Muzzy.They have just started a whole new marketing theme.Has anyone had the thought that this bike might be the same one that gadson ran in the 1/4 mile since he did have to return the bike to Kawi?So far I have run 2 ZX12s,one at the drag strip and one topend.it was no contest in both cases.
 
The question isn't whether the mph was reached - the real question is how it was reached, what was really done to the motor and why can't the owners do the same?

In other words: The same questions we still have about the Gadson run made on the prototype that he was unable to duplicate with a showroom stock model.
 
...er, yes it realy is that hard and expensive to make carbon fiber panels for the Busa, and then very few will actualy want to pay for them....and who would not "modify" or tune the cpu to the max? What's that got to do with the Limiter Rumors? (Sorry, Muzzy) Hey, it's only me, Hapo, but c'mon! What is the guy supposed to do? Leave him the fuk be! Any way, helloe GSX1300R, I'm all most ready to roll once more....keep stirring it!
 
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