"Straight line bike"
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rashad
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I think you are missing the point that someone already covered. If you are using all of your contact patch (Which I have without dragging a knee) You are riding incorrectly. Any trackday instructor will teach you that chicken strips are ok..this means you will not lowside due to losing your contact patch completely.
I had to learn this and learn to get off the bike MORE because if you rely strictly on the tire you will run out of room and right off the road...
so you are both right...there is a balance.
rockethead
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Using the whole contact patch on the tires has nothing to do with the proper way to drag your knee, agree with that point. But, I haven't heard of an instructor who says hang wayyy off the bike to lessen the chance of a wipeout... What point am I missing? I was commenting on proper body position so u don't fall off the bike.. Hang off all u want it's your expensive toy ur gonna ruin, not mine...
rockethead
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this makes no sense.. where are the "track coaches" on here to chime in?
Chemmy
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As for the leaning over factor, Maybe one day I will learn how to do it if I ever get to the bash.
But when someone comes up to me on a lighter then my bike and says "yeah youd beat me straight but I would kill you in the turns". I simply reply probably but I am not a track driver nor have I learned how to drag a knee anyways. So I then tell them that there are plenty of people who can keep up with them on a turn so who gives a crap anyways. I give them another response which is the same for harley riders who ask me when I am getting a real bike. I just smile and return with another question to the tune of when are you going to be able to handle mine.
In my opinion all bikes are trainers for the Busa. Like baseball, some just never get out of minor league.
But when someone comes up to me on a lighter then my bike and says "yeah youd beat me straight but I would kill you in the turns". I simply reply probably but I am not a track driver nor have I learned how to drag a knee anyways. So I then tell them that there are plenty of people who can keep up with them on a turn so who gives a crap anyways. I give them another response which is the same for harley riders who ask me when I am getting a real bike. I just smile and return with another question to the tune of when are you going to be able to handle mine.
In my opinion all bikes are trainers for the Busa. Like baseball, some just never get out of minor league.
well my comment is always this, sure you might be able to turn easier and prolly a bit faster thru turns BUT you better make dam sure your far enough ahead of me when we hit the next short straight....your gonna need it.....
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Anyone else tired of this horse****? I don't own a Hayabusa, but my bikes forums crawl, due to the bike only being available for 4 years and not a great seller, so I thought I'd post here. (I'd like to own a Hayabusa one day in a few years.) I just got my new to me bike recently and am now surprised to hear talk I never noticed before while riding my first bike.
"Straight line bike." or "Drag bike." I'm on something slightly tamer, a ZZR1200 [145bhp/88ft/lb @7000 with my mods.] Not a Busa...but not slow, either.) For Hayabusa/Blackbird/ZX-14/ZZR1200/ZX-11/K1300S/K1200S/VFR1200F and their ilk, you know, the 525lb-600lb wet but not sport tourer (FJR, ST, Connie) 'do it all bikes' 'GT' or 'big bore' bikes all I ever hear on forums, word of mouth and video comments is how you're better off getting off of the bike and having 2 or 3 guys lift the bike up and aim it in the direction you want to go whenever a turn comes up. (Which would be real interesting at Deal's Gap.)
So, just because we own the 'big boys'/'big girls' but not quite Sport tourers our bikes are fat pigs incapable of any degree of lean angle beyond a low sitting custom chopper. What gives? I understand the 250-600 and 1000s are agile at their 375-475lb weights, but all I EVER hear from them are crap that goes like "Yea, those things tear up the straights." when they're being kind. I'm sighing and rolling my eyes when they're being unkind.
Does this upset you guys, too? Have you inoculated yourself to this kind of talk? Or has it never bothered you? I have no interest in dragging knees and ****, but I can't believe that these clowns think that these bikes are incapable of that...
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You can see my stable of bikes in my sig.
If I had to let them go, the first one to go would be the GSXR600, this thing is great for the track, but that is where it stops. On a street it's like sitting on top of a vibrating weed-eater. Don't underestimate the power, I always think if I'm going to kill myself, it will be on the 600. But really I don't enjoy riding it on the street, a Busa is one hell of an upgrade in smoothness, high speed stability and simply making power everywhere from 40 mph in 6th gear all the way. I can't see myself ever parting with my Busa.
As far as cornering goes, I believe 70% of the Busa riders on this board will out-corner me if I am on the 600, as I just don't get enough time to ride and practice twisties.
I don't give a %^&* what other people think of my bikes, but I can tell you that on the 600, people ignore me. On the Busa, everyone looks and cagers show respect.
When I ride my Husky, every Popo pulls me over, because first they think it is not street legal and they want to look at the thing. I think there are only 4 street legal in NC.
Rainbow7
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Regardless of how anyone rides their busa, I could care less of what anyone thinks of me or my bike. Speaking strictly of how others view the busa, I think a lot of what others say about it stems from jealousy. Not of me, but maybe the bike. I have nothing to prove to anyone about my bike, or how I ride it. My only concern when I am alone or riding two up is the safety of me and my passenger. Furthermore, in a group setting, of the safety of our group. What I do with my bike is to further enhance my skills on my bike so I can be a better, safer rider. Thats it in a nutshell. I hope this came out right.
Edit: Also, it is much fun to drag a knee in a corner as you pass someone on the outside at the track. Only to have them come up to you later and give your riding tips. I am not being facicious, only making an observation. I am not the best or fastest rider, if I was I would make a living racing. I just like to have fun, enjoy my bike, enjoy my fellow org members, and enjoy the lack of ego our fellow busa owners exibit.
Edit: Also, it is much fun to drag a knee in a corner as you pass someone on the outside at the track. Only to have them come up to you later and give your riding tips.
I am not being facicious, only making an observation. I am not the best or fastest rider, if I was I would make a living racing. I just like to have fun, enjoy my bike, enjoy my fellow org members, and enjoy the lack of ego our fellow busa owners exibit.
moloko
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Using the whole contact patch on the tires has nothing to do with the proper way to drag your knee, agree with that point. But, I haven't heard of an instructor who says hang wayyy off the bike to lessen the chance of a wipeout... What point am I missing? I was commenting on proper body position so u don't fall off the bike.. Hang off all u want it's your expensive toy ur gonna ruin, not mine...
I said "wayyy" off the bike, because I was quoting the other dood that was talking about not hanging off at all, who was commenting on someone who's body position was just fine.
I'm not trying to say that you should hang some obnoxious crazy f'ing distance off your ****ing bike. FFS, man.
And yes, it makes perfect sense. Did you fail your reading comprehension classes or something?
fastblackblur
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...for the body position debate.
butt crack on inside edge of the seat. head down by inside handle bar. It's more about getting lower to the ground than away from the bike. You also want to strive to remain parallel to the bike.
dragging the knee, while super cool, is often over emphasized. seems like some folks are more set on dragging something on the ground vs selecting a proper line/turn in point.
butt crack on inside edge of the seat. head down by inside handle bar. It's more about getting lower to the ground than away from the bike. You also want to strive to remain parallel to the bike.
dragging the knee, while super cool, is often over emphasized. seems like some folks are more set on dragging something on the ground vs selecting a proper line/turn in point.
How far off the bike the rider looks and how upright the bile looks depends alot on what part of the turn the picture is taken in. I'm as far off the bike before my knee touches and after it comes back off the asphalt as I am at the apex when the bike is at full lean.
In theory you are actually correct, but lighten up there. Ben Spies drags his elbow as well as his knee.
In theory, one has to undertand why a bike turns when it leans. In theory the further you can displace the center of gravity towards the inside of the turn, the less the bike has to lean towards the inside of the turn for the same cornering speed. It follows that maximum inside of turn center of gravity shift and maximum lean angle together, will provide the fastest cornering. In short it is getting your center of gravity shifted towards the inside of the turn as far as possible and as low as possible while maintaining control.
k03gsxr750
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You will have haters of almost any kind of bike you ride. I just smile and nod, I know better. Been there done that have the t-shirt to prove it. Drag knee two up on a gixxer 750 and we will talk.
this can be taken care of 
dk55belair
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Didn't have access to photos from the phone. These were the best I could come up with on short notice. Off the bike stretched out like a "spider monkey" anticipating the knee touch down as the bike tips into the turn. With the knee on the asphault, the leg comes in as the bike tips more. And yes, my body positioning still needs improvement.
k03gsxr750
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megawatt
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Meeting up with experienced Busa riders at a get together is always a great way to pick up on tips. However the best way is during a trackday with a coach on a closed course. Not the only way but pretty much the best way to learn the correct body position and control.
rockethead
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I have thought a lot about how to respond to this and here is what I come up with; you sir are intitled to your wrong opinion. FYI bro, I aced all 4 of my composition classes, carry a 3.75gpa and have two scholarships awarded to me because of my academic achievement. So watch how you talk to someone over the internet because if you stepped out of line like that face to face you would be riding off into the sunset with a few less teeth pal. check yourself and dood is spelled dude
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