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According to what was reported and her statements, yes.
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Yes by Rx.
That's what I read as well but I saw @Red05 mention "hash oil" so was wondering.
She might have even forgot she had those types of cartridges.
Goes to show that people have to be really careful what they are doing going to other countries..
People in this thread are making her out to be a big time trafficker.
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I believe her story. She totally forgot she had them in her luggage. I don't know who is stretching it into trafficking. It is however transporting of an illegal drug through a Russian airport. I don't recall if they tagged a smuggling charge on her or not.
Cannibis is still a Class C narcotic in the U.S. I disagree with that, but that doesn't entitle me to get a pass if I have it. If you transport a joint in your luggage, you're going to probably miss your flight.
Can people load their own cartridges for these vape things?
Here in Canada Cannabis is legal although I'm not sure how it works in airports and such as I'm not into this stuff.
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I think that's a yes and no answer. I held a HEMP license and met the end retailers that would sell formulated cartridges. One of the main concerns we on the HEMP side had to address was how to prevent THC products being mixed in the cartridges. Since I was never going to be in retail I never got in depth as to how.
But I do know they can mix a recipe and load a cartridge with it. So there seems to be some loading capacity that can be on the streets.
One of the biggest liabilities I didn't want to address was how to prove my HEMP was found to contain THC in an arrest. I left all of that up to the retailers to worry about.
And I want to add a sidenote for some that don't seem to follow along with the laws.
Hashish and other drugs was legal in Holland for years before the rest of the European nations. I used to travel through military channels when I worked for the state dept. If I or anyone got busted for Hashish in our luggage you got detained. I would have lost my job. I don't know what the military position was for those getting caught. They didn't give a rats ass if I got it legally.
I left that "legal" location with it. It was then illegal. No court in Holland would have pressed charges. But everywhere else would.
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The cartridges are bought at the outlets just like other cannabis products. They come in various quantities and are about the size of an old style fuse in your car, the tiny glass tube with silver ends about an inch long. To use them a vaping pen has to be used, the cartridge goes inside and the battery operated ‘pen’ fires it up so to speak. If only one cartridge was found (less than a gram) without the pen, I’d believe she forgot it was there or simply didn’t see it. But if her pen was also present it’s hard to believe she didn’t know she had a cartridge. It’s all irrelevant though, Rx or not, she had to have known it was illegal in Russia. Nine year prison sentence though? No.
The legality issue here is that regardless of state laws legalizing it, the US congress and various presidents have ignored the fact that marijuana and all it’s derivatives are classified alongside heroin, PCP, meth, coke and similarly addicting heavy drugs. That needs changing.
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Bee. I think this may be where you are getting confused. Hashish is a Cannabis. So is Hemp. As is Marijuana. They all similarly have oils. HEMP is genetically 95% identical to Marijuana. The THC is genetically so low that it can't be measured. Hence no getting high results from it.
Now the actual chemical THC has proven medical benefits, hence legal Marijuana for medical reasons has come to pass. But most all of the Cannabinoids have the same health benefits. In other words, you don't need THC to sleep, a THC free Cannabinoid gets the same result. There are however some things THC does that nothing else will.
Many drug users will proclaim nothing works until they get the THC ingredient prescription. Honestly the docs don't really care much. If it's legal to prescribe, there is money to be made by prescribing.
Just like Opiods are legal to prescribe.
So this allows a user to then have an excuse to have THC in their bloodstream, hanging the "it's a prescription" excuse for being able to be in THCs.
If it's prescribed, Griner in America would have the chance to present that evidence. And that evidence would be supported in her cartridge. I'm not saying it is or is not prescribed in her case. In Russia, it doesn't matter. She isn't exempt from Russian laws. She knew that. The WNBA knows that. The U.S. Attorney General knows this.
Russia and many other countries simply classify it all the same. So it could be Hashish Oil, Hemp oil, Marijuana Oil. That's just the plant it is "mostly" extracted from. It's largely irrelevant. It's like trying to track which poppy the heroin came from. Possible, but pointless.
Heroin is an Opiod. So is Oxytocin. One of course is illegal. They both do the same thing.
Maybe this helps you understand why this can be so controversial. America is trying to "thread the needle" with medical marijuana. It's going to be abused by a drug user that wants a legal way to abuse it. Assuming different is stupid.
This was why Trump went with the legalize HEMP in all 50 states. It was his attempt at making THC pot mostly obsolete. So abusers couldn't use the "it's a prescription" excuse to clog up the courts. And his intent was to take all of the incentive to grow an illegal plant and replace it with a legal one.
Most everyone in the pot business know that HEMP is going to be the winner. It's easier to tax, track and sell.
Any part of HEMP resources I needed, came from Colorado. They know that's the future.
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I honestly know little about it as I have little exposure to it.
I do know there are pot shops on almost every corner around here since it was legalized.
I know Fentanyl is bad as I lost nephew to it a couple years ago.
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And there are CBD shops in every corner in America now. And none of them have problems getting their $$ into the banking system.
I'm sorry to hear about your nephew. I tried to help my nephew get away from drugs.
I was shocked at how easy he got into it after I took the trouble to move him down to where I was. He was mixing heroin and Fentanyl. And using my truck to buy it and my house to use it. All within 6 weeks.
My cop friend said straight up, this is a hard felony. Not even gonna be close. I was gonna lose everything if I didn't get some distance between us. I was shocked at what drugs are everywhere. I'm like Who The Bloody Hell gets to the point where they know how to mix that chyt together and not die?
I don't think pot should be illegal. But I see how it all becomes a slippery slope.
My nephew was clean and sober for 2 yrs and then got a new room mate who was a user. My nephew took the dose he was last using and it killed him...I guess a person builds up some sort of tolerance.
With marijuana being legal here, I find empty marijuana packages all over the side of the road these days.
That would have really sucked if you lost it all over that.
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Marijuana legalization in Colorado was out 1st experiment in it. It's been a mixed bag. The state has become wealthy from the tax revenues. The prices for everything there have gone up. If you own real estate you are happy there.
However they literally can't get rid of all the cash. They can't put it in the federal banking system. It's stored in buildings. It's literally become a cash economy within the state. And everyone knows they are trying all sorts of schemes to launder it. And where there are large amounts of cash, there are large amounts of bad actors trying to get some of it.
And of course it's a potheads paradise. Potheads are stealing it off private property growing their own personal crops (all legal). It's easier than buying or working to buy it.
So depending on who you ask, it's either heaven or hell.
The legality of marijuana has been decided by our court system. What she had in her possesion amounts to a slap on the wrist here and she was doing years in Russia for it. Yes, a major oversight on her part but she needs to be home regardless and hopefully the U.S. can work out a deal to bring Whelen home too. The fact that she's gay has nothing to do with this. That's all I'm saying.
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So share with us why you suppose Marc Fogel is still in prison there?
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Go ahead. It's for anyone.
Each household here can grow 4 plants of their own...I have yet to encounter anyone who actually bothers as they can buy it cheaper I'm told.
I had a former colleague who was a well trained special forces soldier, had a university degree who turned to drugs after a rough break up and found a new lady who was into these drugs. He decided to release from the military and his downward spiral escalated even with many of us trying to intervene on our own...the draw to the drug was just too much for him to overcome. The last time I saw him he was a mere shadow of a man who didn't recognize me...
There are people who say marijuana is a "gate way" drug which leads to the use of other drugs as the person seeks more and more of a high....
I had to look him up. He had lived in Moscow for 10 years and was caught with almost 3/4 of an ounce of weed at an airport; that's taking quite a chance and is a bunch to be traveling with. Griner was just visiting and had much less on her.
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Yes he worked there as a teacher to the children of our American staff there. He had an Rx for his pot.
Griner has been playing basketball there for years.
So they both travel regularly. They both have Rx for the pot. They both have less than an ounce.
You haven't really shared why you feel he is left there, while Griner came home.
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Any drug can be a gateway drug. There are a lot of contributing factors as to why some become addicted vs some who just use them recreationally. Opioids are prescribed legally, and cause an Opioid dependant person on some common cases. That gateway wasn't of their doing.
But they will rely on heroin for the addiction because the medical community kicks them off the legal Opioid.
Pot is consumed by pretty much the majority of most populations now. They aren't walking around addicts. Some have addictions. Some just like to be high. Some just smoke like others have a beer. Recreational use.
You think I know? His crime seems bigger from the Kremlin perspective, I really don't know. I don't like your view of gay people judging by the fact you kept mentioning Griner's sexual preference, hence my willingness to argue your point. This thread has been moved to the politics section because I don't think others wish to read it. It's probably best left alone as neither one of us is going to change the other's view.
For what it's worth I agree with what you said about marijuana. It's legal here in Missouri, one of the more conservative states. Incarceration for possesion is wrong
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