Ten things non-gun people should know about CCW

[redvoodoo]

Well, I fully believe in the right to bear arms. The people at ruby ridge were known white supremists and did not hide the fact. Automatic weapons in the hands of fanatics is a different matter. Just like the wackos at Waco. Hiding behind religion to amass automatic weapons, while having sex with children as young as 9 yrs. old.

 

[redvoodoo]

Oops, I got busy on the phone and forgot where I was. Back to the CCW thing, I have carried for years and have had lots of training and even been a firearms trainer. the topic above about canada is simple. Back during the cold several russian high ranking military leader were quoted as saying one reason they never considered invading the U.S. is the fact that most households were armed and they would have to fight door to door and would lose too many troops. When Australia banned handguns and made it mandatory to lock all longguns at all times and keep all amunition separate, their home invasion rate went up over 300%. Their homicide rate went up over 100%. Criminals knew citizens were helpless.
If you carry remember that if you pull it, be willing to use it, other wise it will be taken away from you and you will be dead. Also remember that on the average, it costs $18,000.oo to go through the court system after you shoot somebody even if you were 100% in the right. And no, your insurance will not cover this. The family of the person you shot, even if they were going to kill WILL sue you. Okay, I am getting off my soap box

 

[2fast4u2c]

CCW , you never know when or where. God Bless the 2nd Amendment.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

[rubbersidedown]

I am truely thankful that in my part of canada carrying a gun is quite simply...just not nessecary.If it was,I'd move.My children are far to valueable to subject to a harsh envioroment. We just dont have much crime. Most of our biggest hassles are wimpy crimes,committed while nobody is around or home.Car theft,drugs,vandolism,etc.Sure,there is the odd freak,and thankfully said freak doesn't have easy access to firearms.I work with a couple dozen retired cops.One maybe two had to "un-holster" in a 25 year career.Most cops in these parts never have to shoot.No it isn't Mayberry R.F.D. but putting a gun shop on every corner would be a bad thing.Someone mentioned that I'm like a slave because I cant do the CCW thing.If you say so.Someone else went on about the Nazi's and how it all could have been stopped by some CCW law. Okee dokee then.And the illegal imigrant thing...we just dont put too much effort into stopping them.Why bother.They wont get a pension,harder for them to get medical care,no biggie at all.I'm not sure alot of canadians run to the states for the same reason.Our doors are wide open right now.We need workers,especially skilled trades,BIGtime.If anybody wants to come up here,I'll sponsor you. The drugs.I'm sure there is a fair amount of traffic both ways.I personally would be happier to keep the pot we have,and let the other countries keep their heroin,meth and coke etc.

I can walk downtown at 2 in the morning and feel pretty confidant that I'll make it home in one peice.There are 3 or 4 cities in Canada where it can be a little rough thou,in certain parts.But I have walked one or two of those late night as well.I've been to some harsh area's in L.A. and Seattle,London England,Mexico,Hawaii,etc etc...they all "feel" about the same.But I have to say honestly thou...I'd rather take my chances in Vancouver Canada or Toronto Canada...than hit east L.A.,New York,Detroit,Miami,D.C.,etc. I dont think anybody could argue the differences in chance of survival. Why? For me,its because of the guns.That,and they just seem more desperate,way more down-trodden. I'm stoopid enough to take on some dip-shid with a knife or baseball bat...but a pistol? Nobody's that tuff.
CCW thing,thank god,is just not nessecary up here.Maybe things will get worse,who's to say,but for now...we just dont need 'em.

I had to laugh,a couple years back a few guys from the states were thinking about visiting,one of their concerns was "How will we get our guns across?" I just about split my gut laughing so hard.


Illegals...send us all ya got.Especially if they have a trade.

The only illegals I have ever had a problem with? No not them Mexicans runnin'into the US...I cant blame them at all. I would do the same thing.Wouldn't you? You're born into some mexican shid-hole thru no fault of your own...fuggin' A...I'd be runnin' for the border. The only "illegals" I ever had a problem with was all the draft-dodgers,the army deserters. There is apparantly lots still living up here that came up here in the 60's and later.
Them,I'd like to shoot.

Sorry to have to disagree with you gun totin' yahoo's,if its a choice you feel you need to make,its fine with me.I'm not angry or dissapointed,I think I actually feel more sorry for ya.Perhaps if I lived amoungst all the violence you folks feel you need protection from,I'd prolly carry something too.

But for now...I'll just sit here, an unarmed slave and Nazi puppet.

Have a nice day....

RSD.

 

[CDiPrecision]

America is all about choices. We are a free nation(used to be anyway), and we have rights and liberties that others will never have, nor understand.

Having someone that "Thinks its silly" that I carry a weapon, that I cannot do it, is unacceptable. The Govt has ZERO business telling anyone what they can or cannot have(Felons lost their rights, as they should..all others are GTG).

Would you like the Govt to ban Sportbikes cause they are dangerous?? yeah, it is kind of the same thing, except our constitution has a specific part toward weapons.

Canada has a very small population, so some of the Socialist policies aren't as horrible failure(they are a horrible failure tho) as they would be anywhere larger than the state of Kentucky. But the system there is far more broken than it is here..so we say no to socialist states and ideas.. How long does it take to get Dental care there, or have elective surgery? Pretty long time. Britain is 10 times worse.

and don't go out at night in Montreal.

 

[Bird Hunter]

America is all about choices. We are a free nation(used to be anyway), and we have rights and liberties that others will never have, nor understand.

Having someone that "Thinks its silly" that I carry a weapon, that I cannot do it, is unacceptable. The Govt has ZERO business telling anyone what they can or cannot have(Felons lost their rights, as they should..all others are GTG).

Would you like the Govt to ban Sportbikes cause they are dangerous?? yeah, it is kind of the same thing, except our constitution has a specific part toward weapons.

Canada has a very small population, so some of the Socialist policies aren't as horrible failure(they are a horrible failure tho) as they would be anywhere larger than the state of Kentucky. But the system there is far more broken than it is here..so we say no to socialist states and ideas.. How long does it take to get Dental care there, or have elective surgery? Pretty long time. Britain is 10 times worse.

and don't go out at night in Montreal.

 

[rubbersidedown]

America is all about choices. We are a free nation(used to be anyway), and we have rights and liberties that others will never have, nor understand.

Having someone that "Thinks its silly" that I carry a weapon, that I cannot do it, is unacceptable. The Govt has ZERO business telling anyone what they can or cannot have(Felons lost their rights, as they should..all others are GTG).  

Would you like the Govt to ban Sportbikes cause they are dangerous?? yeah, it is kind of the same thing, except our constitution has a specific part toward weapons.

Canada has a very small population, so some of the Socialist policies aren't as horrible failure(they are a horrible failure tho) as they would be anywhere larger than the state of Kentucky. But the system there is far more broken than it is here..so we say no to socialist states and ideas.. How long does it take to get Dental care there, or have elective surgery? Pretty long time. Britain is 10 times worse.

and don't go out at night in Montreal.

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How long does it take to get Dental care there, or have elective surgery? Pretty long time.[/quote]


Dental care.

My wife has been in the trade 21 years. If your tooth hurts,you go to a dentist.NOBODY can be denied,its the law.Same day service.Even if you owe the dentist money from previous work,and he knows you have no intention of ever paying...you cannot be denied.

Health care.

My sister has been in the trade 40 years. You need help,you are homeless,you have no income.Does not matter. Same day service,its the law.

Montreal. Never been there,I guess I'll have to agree. I guess we have one city that might be somewhat close to your 1000's of city's in terms of violence.
If you did the research and based a Canadian city vs a US city with the same population and compared crime statistics....

you do the math.


Here's the sad part.

I'm 43 years old.I'm not in great physical condition.Yet I have no fear walking down my streets.
The topic starter is a young guy...six foot ten inches tall,over 300 pounds. He see's the need to carry a gun.

Dont you find that odd.

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Would you like the Govt to ban Sportbikes cause they are dangerous?? yeah, it is kind of the same thing, except our constitution has a specific part toward weapons.[/quote]

Riding motorcycles vs guns everywhere.

I wont dignify that with an answer.


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Canada has a very small population, so some of the Socialist policies aren't as horrible failure(they are a horrible failure tho) as they would be anywhere larger than the state of Kentucky.[/quote]
I dont get that at all.

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Having someone that "Thinks its silly" that I carry a weapon, that I cannot do it, is unacceptable. The Govt has ZERO business telling anyone what they can or cannot have(Felons lost their rights, as they should..all others are GTG).[/quote]
Well hopefully the topic starter doesn't blow his own brains out.Or "Pop Some Caps In Someone's Azz" that may not deserve the DEATH BLOW.Ben is self admittedly bi-polar.

Here in Canada I can get a rifle for hunting.I must first pass a criminal records check. I must then pass a "hunter's safty course".
I may then, after a waiting period (or cooling off period for those who might be a little "hot-headed")get a rifle for hunting. Handguns.Cant get them.They have no hunting purpose.Automatic weapons,cant get them,they also have no useful purpose other than...hunting humans.


I'll tell you what thou....you win.

Sometimes folks hold on to ideologies for whatever reasons.

I wont try and change your minds.

I wish you peace and comfort in your thoughts,ideas,and ancient scrolls.


If you feel the world is a better place with more and more guns....

Have at it.

Just let me duck first.

RSD.

 

[yamahor]

I'm 43 years old.I'm not in great physical condition.Yet I have no fear walking down my streets.
The topic starter is a young guy...six foot ten inches tall,over 300 pounds. He see's the need to carry a gun.

Dont you find that odd.

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Having someone that "Thinks its silly" that I carry a weapon, that I cannot do it, is unacceptable. The Govt has ZERO business telling anyone what they can or cannot have(Felons lost their rights, as they should..all others are GTG).[/quote]
Well hopefully the topic starter doesn't blow his own brains out.Or "Pop Some Caps In Someone's Azz" that may not deserve the DEATH BLOW.Ben is self admittedly bi-polar.[/quote]
Well, as for the need to carry, thats just a personal thing. There are places here that I might get shot at. If thats the case, I'd rather have a way to defend myself than go "Oh shid, someone is committing a crime and shooting at me... If only all our guns were banned as of right now, we'd still have criminals with them, but no way to defend ourselves, because the illegal guns are already on the streets." Now, I can see it if I were in you're area, not much need to carry, but the sad truth is, there's gangs popping up in my neck of the woods... It's kinda sad to see Waynesboro and Staunton go the way of the gangs, but in some areas, it is. My brother lives in Waynesboro, and so do alot of my friends.
The fact I'm 6'10" makes no difference. I'm not the best fighter, but I'd rather go hand to hand than pull a gun. As stated in what I originally posted, The gun is the LAST form of self defense.
As for me "blowing my brains out"... I'm not that bad. Yes, I did used to get real depressed about stuff a while ago, but I've since learned to deal with that crap. Not much affects me, and suicide is NEVER on my mind, never was except 1 time in 9th grade, about 10 yrs ago. And me wanting to "Pop Some Caps In Someone's Azz" as you put it? Have you ever known me to get that pissed off? I mean, yeah, I've been pissed off, but never have I even thrown a punch, much less a bullet at anyone.

 

[BlkDrgnZ28]

i'm planning on saving up to get mine eventually would be nice have becaue i've been in some pretty hairy situations that i would not have pulled it on but it would have been nice to have if the situations ever escaladed

 

[redvoodoo]

The desire to carry a pistol is a personal thing and a great responsibility. I rarely carry, but like the fact that I can If I want to. The county I live in averages about one homicide every ten years so it isn't like I live in fear. I spend alot of time in the summer hiking,mountian biking,kayaking in the middle of nowhere and like the fact that I can carry a pistol if I so desire. I pretty much never carry around town, as I don't feel the need to. Once again, I have the choice if I so desire.
The few times that I travel to areas where crime is much more common such as saginaw, detroit, or lansing, I carry. I like shooting guns and view shooting as a recreation, and a right, just like riding. Like I said earlier, if you would never shoot anybody, you have no business carrying a pistol. I know a guy who pulled his gun on a couple of muggers in detroit and they took it away from him, pistol whipped him and robbed him of his money and gun. Luckily for him they let him live. The thing about rights is once you give them up, you don't get them back. Just ask Great Britain and Australia.

 

[roadthing]

yamahor:

Thanks for taking the time to post that up.

 

[Projekt]

Well, I fully believe in the right to bear arms.  The people at ruby ridge were known white supremists and did not hide the fact.  Automatic weapons in the hands of fanatics is a different matter.  Just like the wackos at Waco.  Hiding behind religion to amass automatic weapons, while having sex with children as young as 9 yrs. old.

Hence the fact that I didn't include them. The Branch Davidians and David Koresh were a despicable bunch. No question about that at all.

Ruby Ridge folks may have had views that I DO NOT agree with but the finer details elude me. Were they violently carrying out hate crimes and other actions to prevent the "liberty and pursuit of happiness" of others? Not sure about that... Off to wikipedia...

Funny how you phrased the last bit: "Hiding behind religion to amass automatic weapons, while having sex with children as young as 9yrs old."
If you were to omit the amass automatic weapons portion, this could be applied to a few Roman Catholic Archdiocese' in America.

 

[Dobieman]

I have had CCW for about 17-18 years and carry routinely. To me its like wearing your riding gear, you never know when you will need it so make sure you have it. If you don't need it, no harm. I have owned many many guns and none of them ever hurt anybody  

Never had to pull my weapon to this point but I got allot of years ahead for that to get tested. If the test comes I will be ready. Govt cant protect you, only react to the situation after its done and over. I choose not to be a sheep and think the wolf will never come. When the wolf comes the sheep will be glad someone like me is among them. Until then they need never know.

 

[Bird Hunter]

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/notes/s1741768.htm


Must be the American kids going to college in Canada that give them there history of school shootings...

I'm sure we are the ones to blame since Canada is perfect, and you don't need to be prepared for trouble by carrying a gun.. (Would hate to have been one of the many kids shot in this one instance)...

 

[rubbersidedown]

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/notes/s1741768.htm


 Must be the American kids going to college in Canada that give them there history of school shootings...  

 I'm sure we are the ones to blame since Canada is perfect, and you don't need to be prepared for trouble by carrying a gun.. (Would hate to have been one of the many kids shot in this one instance)...

Your're right. I give. Canada is fu44ed.