How do you get that I support murder in any case? No acceptable level means no level is acceptable.
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You just justified it by saying they commit crimes at a lower level than citizens. I guess in your world that makes it ok... so... Is that on a percentage basis or based on the size of the population in each group?
The fact that I mention statistics about murder makes me ok with murder?
I keep bothering and really have no idea why.
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Perhaps you have two conflicting thoughts in your head about what America is suppose to stand for.
1. Illegal migrants have been known to kill, rape, and smuggle fentanyl into America that has resulted in deadly accidental overdoses in the 10s of thousands.
2. Some of them come here and make a life inspite of the challenges of being here illegally.
I guess it's hard for you to sort out the relative value or destruction of either outcome based on real evidence.
Number one, not according to crime statistics. You keep saying it but no more prone to crime than U.S. citizens. The rate for immigrants is actually lower. Number two yes and they contribute to the economy.
By the way, I have no problem sorting out values.
How many times do we have to discuss this?
In re: in part “1. Illegal migrants have been known to smuggle fentanyl into America that has resulted in deadly accidental overdoses in the 10s of thousands.”
Illegals are NOT carrying enough fentanyl to cause deaths in the 10,000s. That number is made up and ridiculous. Who gave you that number, trump, vance, the RNC, the Klan, Stephen Miller, the Proud Boys? As for the rest of your number 1 I (have) read about some, a very small number (less than five) that have killed or assaulted someone. A handful out of thousands.
Still, statements put the way you type them is nothing more than an alarmist headline, more false than true and meant solely to inflame the public towards every migrant, the vast majority of which have only one crime against them, and that is crossing w/o being vetted. No one can say they don’t really have permission or we wouldn’t be allowing them in.
Illegals are NOT carrying enough fentanyl to cause deaths in the 10,000s. That number is made up and ridiculous. Who gave you that number, trump, vance, the RNC, the Klan, Stephen Miller, the Proud Boys? As for the rest of your number 1 I (have) read about some, a very small number (less than five) that have killed or assaulted someone. A handful out of thousands.
Still, statements put the way you type them is nothing more than an alarmist headline, more false than true and meant solely to inflame the public towards every migrant, the vast majority of which have only one crime against them, and that is crossing w/o being vetted. No one can say they don’t really have permission or we wouldn’t be allowing them in.
This lie is only held together by hatred. Yes USCIS has to get its act together and process cases that people’s lives pivot on. Maybe Musk and Ramaswamy’s governmental housecleaning will open up some funds and personnel.
It’s growing pains and insecure people like you see it as a desease.
I am watching a documentary ride along with border patrol at the Rio Grande...
The agent that is being featured said he has mixed feelings when it comes to people crossing, he said there are a lot of illegal drugs being floated across and the people crossing are doing so illegally so are breaking laws but on the other hand, he said there is a human element to all of this as well in that these people are risking everything trying to get into the US to better their lives and are paying pretty much all their life savings to the "coyotes" to get them across...
If they get caught and sent back, they lose all the money they paid the coyote and are back to square one....
During this documentary they stopped a hatch back that was completely full of bundles of fentanyl that were floated across the river and loaded into the car, they had night vision surveillance on the entire process and waited until the car went to it's drop off point before they pounced on it and the people at the place receiving it.....
I can see why an impenetrable wall needs to be in place.....when does a country with no controllable borders start to not be a sovereign country anymore?
The agent that is being featured said he has mixed feelings when it comes to people crossing, he said there are a lot of illegal drugs being floated across and the people crossing are doing so illegally so are breaking laws but on the other hand, he said there is a human element to all of this as well in that these people are risking everything trying to get into the US to better their lives and are paying pretty much all their life savings to the "coyotes" to get them across...
If they get caught and sent back, they lose all the money they paid the coyote and are back to square one....
During this documentary they stopped a hatch back that was completely full of bundles of fentanyl that were floated across the river and loaded into the car, they had night vision surveillance on the entire process and waited until the car went to it's drop off point before they pounced on it and the people at the place receiving it.....
I can see why an impenetrable wall needs to be in place.....when does a country with no controllable borders start to not be a sovereign country anymore?
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We don't need to discuss anything... life is full of options.... choose wisely.
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You think your career choice makes you the supreme being on this subject? You aren't tracking illegals entering this country and inspecting the backs packs, duffle bags and anything else used to smuggle. You don't get it that smuggling can be part of the price coyotes charge for passage over the border. Just forget about it... it doesn't affect you.... you likely voted for Kamala because the border issue doesn't mean much to you... you must be ok with having open borders and open airports. We don't need any border control with close to 14,000 new illegals that were prisoners convicted of murder in their home country. That doesn't include the ones that had not gone to trial yet.
About fentanyl... tell us what size or weight of a lethal dose is when combined with all the other controlled substances it is mixed with.
As far as deaths go... the last administrations policies killed plenty here and abroad... Deaths in Ukraine numbers in the hundreds of thousands.
The Neocons are busy orchestrating their final attacks before they get relieved of duty.
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And that was just a segment of ONE border agents day or days on the job. Did they show you or talk about the bodies that the farmers and ranchers find on their properties that are on the border?
All the wall will do is slow things down and funnel people to certain areas. As long as the money is here and the appetite for drugs exist the drugs will flow.
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Since you brought it up as a comparison... well... disease left unabated continues until it takes over the body. So, leave the border open and solicit people from all over the world to come here by any means possible. Watch what happens.
So now you're equating immigrants with disease.
You were right before, wise choices.
Another ridiculous made up statistic. 14,000 convicted murderers plus an untold number of arrested and charged but somehow out of custody awaiting trial…manoman you are such a dolt to spew lies like these and everyone in whatever organizations you belong to are ill informed idiots too.
They did mention people who lost their lives trying to cross the river......however, the draw to escape their horrible current lives is stronger than the risk.......
You almost seem "anti-wall" so what do you suggest is used to secure the border?
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Venezuela is reporting a 14% drop in the crime rate because the criminal population has received assistance from that government to leave if they relocate here in the USA. That is just one country. People with nothing to lose tend do things that other people will not normally do.
So, how many back packs have you inspected at the border where the border is wide open?
Another ridiculous made up statistic. 14,000 convicted murderers plus an untold number of arrested and charged but somehow out of custody awaiting trial…manoman you are such a dolt to spew lies like these and everyone in whatever organizations you belong to are ill informed idiots too.
You knew there was a 14 involved in there somewhere. So Venezuelan criminals are being paid to relocate to the U.S.? It’s more likely that Haitians convinced them of how good the food is in Ohio.
The Venezuelan economy collapsed. A typical wage is $3 a day.
Seems like a more legitimate reason for the influx of Venezuelans but that’s probably my leftist Marxist views talking again.
