The Most Serious Threat to our Existence

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This is Lengthy, But Should Be Required Reading For ALL!!


THE WAR

Please take the time to read the attached essay by Dr. Chong. It is
without a doubt
the most articulate and convincing writing I have read regarding the War
in Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to his essay and
give a fair evaluation.

I had no idea who Dr. Chong is or the source of these thoughts... so
when
I received them, I almost deleted them - as well-written as they are.
But
then I did a "Google search" on the Doctor and found him to be a retired
Air Force Surgeon of all things and past Commander of Wilford Hall
Medical Center in San Antonio. So he is real, is connected to Veterans
affairs in California, and these are his thoughts. They are worth
reading
and thinking about!(the same Google search will direct you to some of
his
other thought-provoking writings.)

Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA. A different spin on Iraq war.

This WAR is for REAL! Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

Tuesday, July 12, 2005
To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country
is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,
that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer
who
realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United State
is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581
terrorist
attacks worldwide).

2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks
happened
during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or
Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or
their
immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

3. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under
the
dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm
<http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm> )

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as
the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom
heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept
the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone
who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world
- German, Christian or any others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but
kill
all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone
else.
The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no
protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims
there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim
leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own
pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the
peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
verbalizing
this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't
clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our
business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can
get.

What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not
have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past
18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we
were
neutered and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear
of
reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and
cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will
be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed
their
train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want
Spain
to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished
too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us.
However,
it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and
fading fast!

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us,
if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims,
how
could anyone else?

The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and
be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.
Until
we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put
100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take
that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That
is,
defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their
purpose,
and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort If we
are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be
divided, there is no way that we can win!

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
life
and death seriousness of this situation.

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This
is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the
civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to
lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose
all of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and
in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our
Political
Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a
clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them
out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and
weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our
cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies
best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the
treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our
military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago
were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands,
cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just
for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same
type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and
dragging
their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.

And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is
providing
videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American
prisoners they held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several
days
have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the
Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of
comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are
fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous
results of losing this war, nothing can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this
prisoner
issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned --
totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor
any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this
does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal.
It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of
the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been
pushing us, for many years.

Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels!
That
translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State, but
throughout the world.

We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge
is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe
that
we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds
of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our
back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive,
and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status
or
any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way
that
contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of
the
Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books
to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little
by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be
fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which
will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even
to
themselves, once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then
start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control
the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct,
about
the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election,
the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical
situation
we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are
talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but
our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include
the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!

Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our
"leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find
fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks
through this, that we must UNITE!

If you would like to see who this fellow is go to this Air Force web
sight and look him up.
http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C
<http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C>
 
The most serious threat to our existence is our leaders who continue to practice the policy of Manifest Destiny at any cost.
 
(Mr Brown @ Nov. 02 2006,11:45) The most serious threat to our existence is our leaders who continue to practice the policy of Manifest Destiny at any cost.
nevermind... i'm staying out of this one...

sick and tired of people objections... but thats why i do what i do... so that everyone can have their opinions...
 
Don't mis-understand me and get all pissy. All our political leaders, on both sides of the aisle, could not care less about the average Joe. Especially you, who fight their battles for them.
 
Great Essay - However:
As taken from Snopes.com The entire essay, word for word is located on the web page with the following explaination:

Claim: Essay by retired Air Force general analyzes the war on terrorism.

Status: False.

Origins: The above-quoted essay about the war on terrorism is yet one more example of misattribution through e-mail forwarding. Although USAF Major General (Dr.) Vernon Chong is indeed a real person, the essay was not written by him; it was something he came across and forwarded to an acquaintance via e-mail, thereby attaching his name to it and inadvertently causing other recipients to erroneously assume he was its author.

This essay was actually written by an attorney and began circulating back in mid-2004 under the title "THE WORLD SITUATION — A LETTER TO MY SONS," with the following opening:
This was written by a retired attorney, to his sons, May 19, 2004.

Dear Tom, Kevin, Kirby and Ted,

As your father, I believe I owe it to you to share some thoughts on the present world situation. We have over the years discussed a lot of important things, like going to college, jobs and so forth. But this really takes precedence over any of those discussions. I hope this might give you a longer term perspective that fewer and fewer of my generation are left to speak to. To be sure you understand that this is not politically flavored, I will tell you that since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who led us through pre and WWII (1933 - 1945) up to and including our present President, I have without exception, supported our presidents on all matters of international conflict. This would include just naming a few in addition to President Roosevelt - WWII: President Truman - Korean War 1950; President Kennedy Bay of Pigs (1961); President Kennedy - Vietnam (1961); eight presidents (5 Republican & 4 Democrat) during the cold war (1945 - 1991); President Clinton's strikes on Bosnia (1995) and on Iraq (1998). So be sure you read this as completely non-political or otherwise you will miss the point.

Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means. First, let's examine a few basics:
Somewhere along the chain of multiple forwardings, someone rewrote the first few paragraphs and mistakenly attributed the entire piece to General Chong.

Last updated: 15 November 2005
 
I Had a Feeling this thread would would affect my Rating, Every Liberal, Democrat and Muslim is Going to Hammer MY Rating!!

Hopefully Every Republican, Christian, Military and Upstanding Individual on this Board will help salvage my Rating. (Not that the Rating even means ANYTHING whatsoever!!)
 
(MC MUSTANG @ Nov. 02 2006,10:34) Great Essay - However:
As taken from Snopes.com The entire essay, word for word is located on the web page with the following explaination:

Claim:   Essay by retired Air Force general analyzes the war on terrorism.

Status:   False.

Origins:   The above-quoted essay about the war on terrorism is yet one more example of misattribution through e-mail forwarding. Although USAF Major General (Dr.) Vernon Chong is indeed a real person, the essay was not written by him; it was something he came across and forwarded to an acquaintance via e-mail, thereby attaching his name to it and inadvertently causing other recipients to erroneously assume he was its author.

This essay was actually written by an attorney and began circulating back in mid-2004 under the title "THE WORLD SITUATION — A LETTER TO MY SONS," with the following opening:
This was written by a retired attorney, to his sons, May 19, 2004.

Dear Tom, Kevin, Kirby and Ted,

As your father, I believe I owe it to you to share some thoughts on the present world situation. We have over the years discussed a lot of important things, like going to college, jobs and so forth. But this really takes precedence over any of those discussions. I hope this might give you a longer term perspective that fewer and fewer of my generation are left to speak to. To be sure you understand that this is not politically flavored, I will tell you that since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who led us through pre and WWII (1933 - 1945) up to and including our present President, I have without exception, supported our presidents on all matters of international conflict. This would include just naming a few in addition to President Roosevelt - WWII: President Truman - Korean War 1950; President Kennedy Bay of Pigs (1961); President Kennedy - Vietnam (1961); eight presidents (5 Republican & 4 Democrat) during the cold war (1945 - 1991); President Clinton's strikes on Bosnia (1995) and on Iraq (1998). So be sure you read this as completely non-political or otherwise you will miss the point.

Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means. First, let's examine a few basics:
Somewhere along the chain of multiple forwardings, someone rewrote the first few paragraphs and mistakenly attributed the entire piece to General Chong.

Last updated:   15 November 2005
Thank you very much for clarifying the Origin.

It is Still excellent information to this Nation and the entire Free World.
 
(Director @ Nov. 02 2006,13:35) I Had a Feeling this thread would would affect my Rating, Every Liberal, Democrat and Muslim is Going to Hammer MY Rating!!

Hopefully Every Republican, Christian, Military and Upstanding Individual on this Board will help salvage my Rating. (Not that the Rating even means ANYTHING whatsoever!!)
The only problem I have with your post is the assumption that all christians and military personnel active, retired or ets'd are republican... that was the only truly stupid thing you posted...


From a Combat Vet, christian who is more liberal than conservative... But who doesn't really like or respect either party.

And I for one wouldn't lower your rating for having an opinion... Regardless of whether or not your post offended and or angered me.
E
 
(Mr Brown @ Nov. 02 2006,12:14) Don't mis-understand me and get all pissy. All our political leaders, on both sides of the aisle, could not care less about the average Joe. Especially you, who fight their battles for them.
Aww, i'm not upset or anything... just had a few run-ins recently with people that are pretty unapprecitative of what the military is doing. Reguardless of what our leaders are doing "the people" should support our troops and sadly some just dont see it that way. I know that this isnt new info for you... just an early moring rant from me i suppose. No harm no foul!
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(jessup @ Nov. 02 2006,10:59)
(Director @ Nov. 02 2006,13:35) I Had a Feeling this thread would would affect my Rating, Every Liberal, Democrat and Muslim is Going to Hammer MY Rating!!

Hopefully Every Republican, Christian, Military and Upstanding Individual on this Board will help salvage my Rating.  (Not that the Rating even means ANYTHING whatsoever!!)
The only problem I have with your post is the assumption that all christians and military personnel active, retired or ets'd are republican...  that was the only truly stupid thing you posted...


From a Combat Vet, christian who is more liberal than conservative... But who doesn't really like or respect either party.

And I for one wouldn't lower your rating for having an opinion... Regardless of whether or not your post offended and or angered me.
E
Did not mean to offend you, they are all Individual categories! You obviously fit into 3 of the Categories listed. Christian, Military and You would definitely fall in the "Upstanding Individual" Category!

That Category pretty much covers Everyone that loves their Freedom, This Nation, Morals. Ethics, and stands up for All that is Good and Righteous in this World!

I Respect All of the above in any singular or combination.
Once again please accept my apologies if I did not totally clarify my meaning.
 
(Mr Brown @ Nov. 02 2006,12:14) Don't mis-understand me and get all pissy. All our political leaders, on both sides of the aisle, could not care less about the average Joe. Especially you, who fight their battles for them.
True, Sad, but true...

And As for Director's post, I am glad you posted something that you seem to really be concerned about, So I raised you rating # a little...
And I raised Sloto's a little in addition for the job that he does...
I salute you both...
Remember, no matter what, we are all in this together...
And the fact that we all ride Hayabusa's can't hurt...


David
 
Interesting bit of propaganda...
Thanks MCM for the source research.
I think it should be mandatory to publish the facts about the officer's creed or the enlistment creed.
Specifically the part that says "I swear to protect and defend the... United States and it's interests.."
Then add the UCMJ article that makes it illegal to criticize the personnel holding a rank higher than yours to include the Commander in Chief (The President). Regardless of the motivations of the civilians in command of the Nation's military, a military member must follow their orders with the utmost professionalism.
So, once an American citizen knows and understands what our GIs are burdened with they may take a different stance on the military machine and it's foot soldiers.
Now we look at this essay and know that it is a spin doctor'd piece of information. It leads us to argument and disagreement based on biased ideas. Looks to me like another inflammatory article to scare people into hitting the "I believe button" must have been written by Catholics looking to cement the appearance of a crusade with a real official one that aims to rid the world of non- christians and heretics. Who stands to gain from a victory in this "war"? Let's think about that one for a bit and attempt to ignore everything in that slanted article.
Then try to look at the issue as a non-christian, non-muslim, and non-jew. Tough ain't it? Now if we do analyze this following the parameters I mentioned we can see quite clearly the objects of victory. Anyone care to add them here before I do?
 
(Director @ Nov. 02 2006,14:12)
(jessup @ Nov. 02 2006,10:59)
(Director @ Nov. 02 2006,13:35) I Had a Feeling this thread would would affect my Rating, Every Liberal, Democrat and Muslim is Going to Hammer MY Rating!!

Hopefully Every Republican, Christian, Military and Upstanding Individual on this Board will help salvage my Rating. (Not that the Rating even means ANYTHING whatsoever!!)
The only problem I have with your post is the assumption that all christians and military personnel active, retired or ets'd are republican... that was the only truly stupid thing you posted...


From a Combat Vet, christian who is more liberal than conservative... But who doesn't really like or respect either party.

And I for one wouldn't lower your rating for having an opinion... Regardless of whether or not your post offended and or angered me.
E
Did not mean to offend you, they are all Individual categories! You obviously fit into 3 of the Categories listed. Christian, Military and You would definitely fall in the "Upstanding Individual" Category!

That Category pretty much covers Everyone that loves their Freedom, This Nation, Morals. Ethics, and stands up for All that is Good and Righteous in this World!

I Respect All of the above in any singular or combination.
Once again please accept my apologies if I did not totally clarify my meaning.
Not a problem my friend.
cool.gif
 
(Devious @ Nov. 02 2006,11:29)
(Mr Brown @ Nov. 02 2006,12:14) Don't mis-understand me and get all pissy. All our political leaders, on both sides of the aisle, could not care less about the average Joe. Especially you, who fight their battles for them.
True, Sad, but true...

And As for Director's post, I am glad you posted something that you seem to really be concerned about, So I raised you rating # a little...
And I raised Sloto's a little in addition for the job that he does...
I salute you both...
Remember, no matter what, we are all in this together...
And the fact that we all ride Hayabusa's can't hurt...


David
Thank you Sir!
 
(Projekt @ Nov. 02 2006,11:58) Interesting bit of propaganda...
Thanks MCM for the source research.
I think it should be mandatory to publish the facts about the officer's creed or the enlistment creed.
Specifically the part that says "I swear to protect and defend the... United States and it's interests.."
Then add the UCMJ article that makes it illegal to criticize the personnel holding a rank higher than yours to include the Commander in Chief (The President). Regardless of the motivations of the civilians in command of the Nation's military, a military member must follow their orders with the utmost professionalism.
So, once an American citizen knows and understands what our GIs are burdened with they may take a different stance on the military machine and it's foot soldiers.
Now we look at this essay and know that it is a spin doctor'd piece of information. It leads us to argument and disagreement based on biased ideas. Looks to me like another inflammatory article to scare people into hitting the "I believe button" must have been written by Catholics looking to cement the appearance of a crusade with a real official one that aims to rid the world of non- christians and heretics. Who stands to gain from a victory in this "war"? Let's think about that one for a bit and attempt to ignore everything in that slanted article.
Then try to look at the issue as a non-christian, non-muslim, and non-jew. Tough ain't it? Now if we do analyze this following the parameters I mentioned we can see quite clearly the objects of victory. Anyone care to add them here before I do?
This thought process will lead to a Debate about:

Good vs Evil?
Darkness vs Light?
Creation vs Evolution?

Game Over!!! You Lose!!! Have a Great Day!

Now it's Time to go for a Ride! Much more Enjoyable!!!
 
Does anybody know how many deaths a year are due to terrorism? Hmmm

I'll give ya a hint, it's under 500/year. Terrorism is so far down on the list of mortality statistics that it's hardly worth mentioning. Yet, that's all we seem to hear about.

If we are going to fight a war, lets fight one that's worthwhile (statistically that is).

How bout,...War on lightening.

or

War on bicycles

or

War on suicide

or

war on swimming pools

After all, Lets "save the children".

Chris
 
(Sloto200 @ Nov. 02 2006,13:09)
(Mr Brown @ Nov. 02 2006,12:14) Don't mis-understand me and get all pissy. All our political leaders, on both sides of the aisle, could not care less about the average Joe. Especially you, who fight their battles for them.
Aww, i'm not upset or anything... just had a few run-ins recently with people that are pretty unapprecitative of what the military is doing.  Reguardless of what our leaders are doing "the people" should support our troops and sadly some just dont see it that way.  I know that this isnt new info for you... just an early moring rant from me i suppose. No harm no foul!  
beerchug.gif
I've said it 100 times if I've said it 1: I support the troops and oppose the war!
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(Director @ Nov. 02 2006,12:35) I Had a Feeling this thread would would affect my Rating, Every Liberal, Democrat and Muslim is Going to Hammer MY Rating!!

Hopefully Every Republican, Christian, Military and Upstanding Individual on this Board will help salvage my Rating.  (Not that the Rating even means ANYTHING whatsoever!!)
Mine is already dropping! Funny thing, politics....
I'm a liberal and a Christian I suppose, given your choices, but I am not gonna rate you lower for not agreeing with the way I think, that is juvenile. Think what you like, we'll have interesting discussions that way.......
 
(Director @ Nov. 02 2006,12:37)
(Projekt @ Nov. 02 2006,11:58) Interesting bit of propaganda...
Thanks MCM for the source research.
I think it should be mandatory to publish the facts about the officer's creed or the enlistment creed.
Specifically the part that says "I swear to protect and defend the... United States and it's interests.."
Then add the UCMJ article that makes it illegal to criticize the personnel holding a rank higher than yours to include the Commander in Chief (The President). Regardless of the motivations of the civilians in command of the Nation's military, a military member must follow their orders with the utmost professionalism.
So, once an American citizen knows and understands what our GIs are burdened with they may take a different stance on the military machine and it's foot soldiers.
Now we look at this essay and know that it is a spin doctor'd piece of information. It leads us to argument and disagreement based on biased ideas. Looks to me like another inflammatory article to scare people into hitting the "I believe button" must have been written by Catholics looking to cement the appearance of a crusade with a real official one that aims to rid the world of non- christians and heretics. Who stands to gain from a victory in this "war"? Let's think about that one for a bit and attempt to ignore everything in that slanted article.
Then try to look at the issue as a non-christian, non-muslim, and non-jew. Tough ain't it? Now if we do analyze this following the parameters I mentioned we can see quite clearly the objects of victory. Anyone care to add them here before I do?
This thought process will lead to a Debate about:

Good vs Evil?
Darkness vs Light?
Creation vs Evolution?

Game Over!!!  You Lose!!!  Have a Great Day!

Now it's Time to go for a Ride!  Much more Enjoyable!!!
Gotta keep things interesting for those of us without SoCal weather...
By the way, where are you? Mom lives in San Diego and I have distant relatives in the LA Basin as well as the Bay Area.
 
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