IllusionalTA
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Prettty damned fast!!.. Played w/ a 07 today on the hwy.. Make a long story short, he got me by .5 a bike.... Damned impressive if you ask me... I was surprised to say the least...
Them GSXR1000's are....
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Nice, should have kept going
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Well he was still w/ me upto 180...
and i'm not really stock.. i have all the bolt on's...
IllusionalTA
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yea indicated 185.. and i'm 5mph off..
My last bike was a 05 GSX-R1000 and I can honestly say that it was stronger than any stock or even fully piped and pc'd busa I've rode. 162rwhp and with a yellow box (doubled check on both dyno and next to buddies corvette) that bike would hit an indicated 186 (limited) no problem without needing much more than 3/4mile. Actually I know it was dead on because the bike would hit 186 then back off to 184, then within about 2 seconds hit 186 again.
I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but beware next time you crack the throttle next to a newer 1000 with a good rider. You just might be in for a surprise...I know I was
I believe it is "oldgixxer" over on gixxer.com that has a carpenter built busa with like 260rwhp and also a built 05 1000 that said it took 200rwhp for a busa to keep up with a 165rwhp 1000. I'm not sure specifics like rider weight and the type of comparison done to get this, but I know this guy and he doesn't feed no crap.
I have a feeling the new 08 busa will be a much different story
I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but beware next time you crack the throttle next to a newer 1000 with a good rider. You just might be in for a surprise...I know I was
I believe it is "oldgixxer" over on gixxer.com that has a carpenter built busa with like 260rwhp and also a built 05 1000 that said it took 200rwhp for a busa to keep up with a 165rwhp 1000. I'm not sure specifics like rider weight and the type of comparison done to get this, but I know this guy and he doesn't feed no crap.
I have a feeling the new 08 busa will be a much different story
Me either, I catch an destroy Gizzers and R1's on a regular basis.
luckily most of the 1000 riders don't have a clue how to keep the beast under control. I remember a few times whackin the throttle in 3rd gear only to be shot up into an instant wheelie. Just the time it took to let off and get back into things would be enough for a busa to get 5+ bike lengths. On the other hand if I managed the throttle appropriately through the gears I'm certain the outcome would be different.
Don't get me wrong guys, I'm not trying to bash anyone or the busa, I am just stating the results from my personal experiences with both bikes.
Don't get me wrong guys, I'm not trying to bash anyone or the busa, I am just stating the results from my personal experiences with both bikes.
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Yes they are fast but, the verified top end on a stock 07 Gixxer 1k is an actual 178 mph. A bone stock Busa will do far better than that.
Here's a few honest links to look at. Unfortunately none of them have info on the 05-07 1000's, but image adding another 15-20hp to the older bikes, better areodynamics, and the top speed will surely rise accordingly.
Again, the only reason I stand behind my thoughts are from experience on my personal bikes. I love both the 1000's and busas dearly, after all they are both bad a$$ suzukis. I just don't like people bashing bikes that they might not of even had experience on and that is what this seems to be. Also some food for thought, two bikes with same amount of hp. One weighs 75-85lbs less. Aerodynamics don't come strongly into play until after 180mph. Which one reaches 180 first???
http://www.biketestusa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=650&Page=12
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_street_bike_performance_times/
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0110_hayabusa_zx_12r_compared/
Again, the only reason I stand behind my thoughts are from experience on my personal bikes. I love both the 1000's and busas dearly, after all they are both bad a$$ suzukis. I just don't like people bashing bikes that they might not of even had experience on and that is what this seems to be. Also some food for thought, two bikes with same amount of hp. One weighs 75-85lbs less. Aerodynamics don't come strongly into play until after 180mph. Which one reaches 180 first???
http://www.biketestusa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=650&Page=12
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_street_bike_performance_times/
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0110_hayabusa_zx_12r_compared/
+1 Any of the new liter bikes will beat a stock busa with an equal rider. Unless I use my bottle a stock Gixxer thou (only raced a 2006 and the 07 is even faster) will stay right with me.(bquinn @ Jul. 10 2007,11:17) I just don't like people bashing bikes that they might not of even had experience on and that is what this seems to be. Also some food for thought, two bikes with same amount of hp. One weighs 75-85lbs less. Aerodynamics don't come strongly into play until after 180mph. Which one reaches 180 first???
I guess it's just busa-loyalty that's making everyone deny that fact.
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Regarding the "which is lighter" and "which one reaches 180 first" comment - yes...this is an important point. Definitely the lighter bike will reach around 170 or so first. Beyond that, HP and displacement really come into play.
I've done a lot of investigation lately on weight reduction vs. HP increase (keep in mind that I run land speed so my comments are directed to that form of racing). At speeds over 170 or so, HP required goes up by the square (well it is probably always that way but it really starts to matter at that speed). Weight reduction becomes much less important. In one of my calculations, lopping off 40lbs only increased my MPH by less than 1 where increasing power output by 2HP had the same effect. 40 lbs!!!!
This is why bigger displacement and aerodynamics reign supreme at the big end. In fact, ADDING WEIGHT helps when speeds cross into that next dimension (think of weight as a big battery that you keep pumping energy into...) Most of the folks I race with fill the Busa swingarm with 70lbs of lead shot to minimize wheelspin when running at the double ton. In addition to that, people bolt bricks to the sides of the swingarm and add ballast ahead of the rear wheel. (That extra weight also helps to reduce leather cleaning bills induced by spooky crosswinds
For flipping around a track and running up to 170 or so I'd let the Gixxer have it's day. When you need "the gift that keeps on giving" type of speed at the top end of that log curve, I'd turn to the Busa everytime.
I have a lot of respect for both bikes - they just each have their place.
As a proud owner of a 2006 GSXR1K and previous Busa owner (heavily modded) I will say, the 1k can hold it's own against a busa in 1-3 gears. From 4-6 it lacks in the torque department which is where the busa shines. However at 130lbs lighter, you definitely feel the speed of the bike much sooner than the busa. The busa is very deceiving on speed. 160 feels like 130 on the busa whereas the 130 feels like 160 on the 1k.
Wheelies on the 1k are super easy and can be done in 1-3 gears. 2nd being the most controllable. Busa is tough to pull up in 2nd without clever clutch work or gearing.
I put a PC on the 1k and after a slight fuel tweak on the front panel, it will bring up the front end in 2nd the way the busa does in 1st.
I miss my busa but I wouldn't trade the gixxer to go back. Just my opinion. This bike is amazing in it's ability. You lean in on a turn and it holds fast. Lean some more and it dips lower and hold fast. Apply the throttle and it goes, but continues to hold fast. No fight to come up out of the turn under acceleration and no power slide fear on this bike either.
Every input you put into this bike results in an output that is predictable and comepletely under control. In hindsight, the steering of the busa was so heavy but until you can compare it to the 1k you will not understand. The busa definitely has a front biased weight ration in comparison but once again, until you get some seat time on the 1k you will not understand. The difference in these bike are many and some are small, others are huge.
My first taste of the bike was not impressive in comparison. But after adjusting to the higher revs, narrower seat, firmer suspension feel. I have found the bike I can say fits the bill on my long list of "must have" in a sportbike.
Not to say I won't again own the busa but this buike is baaaaaddddd!!!!!!!!
Wheelies on the 1k are super easy and can be done in 1-3 gears. 2nd being the most controllable. Busa is tough to pull up in 2nd without clever clutch work or gearing.
I put a PC on the 1k and after a slight fuel tweak on the front panel, it will bring up the front end in 2nd the way the busa does in 1st.
I miss my busa but I wouldn't trade the gixxer to go back. Just my opinion. This bike is amazing in it's ability. You lean in on a turn and it holds fast. Lean some more and it dips lower and hold fast. Apply the throttle and it goes, but continues to hold fast. No fight to come up out of the turn under acceleration and no power slide fear on this bike either.
Every input you put into this bike results in an output that is predictable and comepletely under control. In hindsight, the steering of the busa was so heavy but until you can compare it to the 1k you will not understand. The busa definitely has a front biased weight ration in comparison but once again, until you get some seat time on the 1k you will not understand. The difference in these bike are many and some are small, others are huge.
My first taste of the bike was not impressive in comparison. But after adjusting to the higher revs, narrower seat, firmer suspension feel. I have found the bike I can say fits the bill on my long list of "must have" in a sportbike.
Not to say I won't again own the busa but this buike is baaaaaddddd!!!!!!!!
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