What brand of brake pads and when to replace rotors?

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I geek on stuff like this. This is the front brake setup on Honda's Factory HRC racebike for the just finished Suzuka 8 hours. No they didnt win (Honda seems cursed on their own track for whatever reason!) but just the sheer trick factor made me look over this picture for an extended time. There are bits on here that I don't even know what they do! For instance the coil spring adjacent to the fork lower, the 3 blue ano nuts under the caliper, what do they do? Appears to be a Nissin variant of the T-drive Brembo rotors too. Cool stuff. Lots of other cool pics of this bike

I also have always loved the more exotic trickery on Moto GP and the older rules World Superbike , and yes Suzuka 8 hr and other Japanese domestic Factory Racing machines . This pic is exactly what I call motorcycle component unobtainium , and l lust after such exotic porn !!
Nissin make a street / race version of the T-drive floating rotor that us mortals can buy , available on webike japan .

 

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Hi. The Beringers are a direct fit on your bike alt123. Your cost would be $2250.
00 + banjos and brake lines + dot 4 fluid. Frank could do it in a day I bet.

This would certainly be the best practically , easiest , lightest front caliper setup for Ali bikes . The Beringer has been suggested numerous times by us both Mike , but Ali seems fairly set on the radials ? I know that the radial calipers trickness can draw you to them , but in all reality , that radial setup is complicated and will be more expensive , once you have sourced all the parts for this setup . The Beringer axial caliper is considered the more logical choice for Gen 1 fork by most , because of the more complicated radial setup .

 

[ali123]

This would certainly be the best practically , easiest , lightest front caliper setup for Ali bikes . The Beringer has been suggested numerous times by us both Mike , but Ali seems fairly set on the radials ? I know that the radial calipers trickness can draw you to them , but in all reality , that radial setup is complicated and will be more expensive , once you have sourced all the parts for this setup . The Beringer axial caliper is considered the more logical choice for Gen 1 fork by most , because of the more complicated radial setup .

I blame you entirely for this brake obsession I have developed...…… all yer talkin and talkin about those brembos……………………… its ure fault.

 

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Sorry Ali , I know what obsession is bro , but keep on it bro , have another look over your options , look what Mikes mentioned brake package includes , weigh it up against the radial package total . Good luck mate !!

 

[ali123]

Sorry Ali , I know what obsession is bro , but keep on it bro , have another look over your options , look what Mikes mentioned brake package includes , weigh it up against the radial package total . Good luck mate !!

I really like those p4s...……….. maybe itll have to wait a few months.... but im gonna order stuff soon... I just got the ok to go corvette shopping.... 6 months to go before mustang is paid off...… 4 years old 50k on it...… 5.0 black/six speed..... but its getting traded in.... ive wanted a brand new vette since I was 7 years old.....

 

[bigoltool]

This would certainly be the best practically , easiest , lightest front caliper setup for Ali bikes . The Beringer has been suggested numerous times by us both Mike , but Ali seems fairly set on the radials ? I know that the radial calipers trickness can draw you to them , but in all reality , that radial setup is complicated and will be more expensive , once you have sourced all the parts for this setup . The Beringer axial caliper is considered the more logical choice for Gen 1 fork by most , because of the more complicated radial setup .

I didn't go the Beringer route, but came to the same conclusion. The radial route just didn't make sense for me, so I went with the 4 pad/piston Brembos.

 

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I didn't go the Beringer route, but came to the same conclusion. The radial route just didn't make sense for me, so I went with the 4 pad/piston Brembos.
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I was wondering what brake set up you ended up getting , after that really great brake post you wrote , which I only recently discovered . How about posting some pics of your bike bro ?

 

[ali123]

Michael... how do those berringerrs compare to the HP brembos .... they stop as hard? I wish I was closer to you

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Michael... how do those berringerrs compare to the HP brembos .... they stop as hard? I wish I was closer to you

Michael... how do those berringerrs compare to the HP brembos .... they stop as hard? I wish I was closer to you

Hi. I would compare them to the $1500.00 Brembos. Not as good as the Moto GPs

Michael... how do those berringerrs compare to the HP brembos .... they stop as hard? I wish I was closer to you

 

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Radial type is a better strength mount for caliper , and lends itself to better braking overall , dependent on caliper / rotor /master cyl. ratio of course .
The street radial calipers from Brembo would be in the ball park of either Beringer axial or radial , especially with the right pads fitted . The Beringer are known to be lighter ovarall .

 

[ali123]

Radial type is a better strength mount for caliper , and lends itself to better braking overall , dependent on caliper / rotor /master cyl. ratio of course .
The street radial calipers from Brembo would be in the ball park of either Beringer axial or radial , especially with the right pads fitted . The Beringer are known to be lighter ovarall .

what do u define as street radial? cnc billet radials? or cast m4/m50?

 

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what do u define as street radial? cnc billet radials? or cast m4/m50?

In Brembo , both the .484 and GP4-RX (the same caliper ) those and P4 are the premier caliper for street application . The M4 and M50 and new one coming out are also street calipers . Still can race with them , but the real racing calipers from Brembo have no dust seals , but more notable , they have used exotic piston material , and are billet monobloc .

 

[ali123]

In Brembo , both the .484 and GP4-RX (the same caliper ) those and P4 are the premier caliper for street application . The M4 and M50 and new one coming out are also street calipers . Still can race with them , but the real racing calipers from Brembo have no dust seals , but more notable , they have used exotic piston material , and are billet monobloc .

but they have 2 piece billet non sealed racing calipers.... non monoblock….. that's what im trying to find out... if there is a noticeable difference between these types...… 2 piece billet racing calipers (32/36) and REALLY good street calipers.

 

[ali123]

and also... all p4s are not the same..... 30/34 and 32/36.. there is a price difference too... I like the idea of 32/36 because im after the MOST stopping power... but there are NO real world stopping tests performed or even compared thoroughly......

 

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The sealed set is P4 , there are more than 1 set , just like the old axial P4 . Just different piston choice , and maybe swept area also . That's the area the pad touches on rotor . My mates set of P4 is anodized gold in pic , but also come in nickle . Any of the one's Mike or I have suggested will be far and away better than your current Flintstone setup . You will find any of them performing better than the stockers . There aren't any peopLe to ask , except the people who run and own them , that's why we are here now , and you are asking us .

 

[ali123]

these aren't sealed.... 2000 for both calipers... no other 32/36 without going monoblock…. I think these would stop the hardest of the bunch.... what say u/Obviously the billet monoblocks are the hardest stoppers and offer the best feel.... but what i wanna know is.... are these number 2????thats really what i want... 1 step below monoblocks.https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-Racing-CNC-P4-32-36-108mm-Pitch-Radial-Caliper-DX-Pistons-Aluminium/112879210643?epid=1311828289&hash=item1a48201093:g:TkEAAOSw~aBar-3i&_sacat=0&_nkw=brembo+p4&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0|0

 

[Jimbusaha]

I think I'm going with these EBC pro-lites ....the front and back look the same

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Hey I got them both today! The rear isn't excactly the same as front but I'm going with it anyway. I broke in the backs for an initial break-in and test ride but don't have time to break in the front.....oh man I have an other dilemma now I hope someone here can help me ....I put the rear seat back on without installing the lock cable...now it's locked in and the key won't open it....I'm sure this has happened to someone before??

 

[bigoltool]

I was wondering what brake set up you ended up getting , after that really great brake post you wrote , which I only recently discovered . How about posting some pics of your bike bro ?

This is current state. Seems like always changing something.

 

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these aren't sealed.... 2000 for both calipers... no other 32/36 without going monoblock…. I think these would stop the hardest of the bunch.... what say u/https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-Racing-CNC-P4-32-36-108mm-Pitch-Radial-Caliper-DX-Pistons-Aluminium/112879210643?epid=1311828289&hash=item1a48201093:g:TkEAAOSw~aBar-3i&_sacat=0&_nkw=brembo+p4&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0|0

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They are what my mate ran , they are just P4 with large piston size , great caliper , but pretty steep price !! Do a worldwide search , say Carpimoto , or in your own country , Powerbarn I think had a deal at one stage , just check around . But those calipers are good , so is even piston calipers on the other street Brembo bro , just decide buy and ride bro .
You will be happy with either I can tell you .

 

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This is current state. Seems like always changing something.
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Very nice BigOtool , she be loud fast orange eh !!