I didn't pose the question to start some sort of fight here. There is a couple of fundamental differences between our cultures. I just couldn't understand why the need to bear arms against your brothers is so accepted but I take your points on board. I would like you to lay off the language though, I have been serving for almost twenty years in places like Somalia, Rwanda, Timor and a stint in Afghanistan where I led part of an SASR patrol that pulled a number of your guys out of a very serious situation. So your virgin arse comment is not appropriate or required. Sorry for the thread jack, I'm sorry and disappointed that I even asked.