Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him (famous quotes)

[Vonderbach]

Oh, so THAT makes it a good practice??

Is the result not the same? Do you not still end up with some people having jobs that they are not technically qualified for??

So you would prefer that the government approve every employee that I hire? Instead of checking for discrimination, we'll also perform background checks to make certain that there are no personal affiliations, no shared histories and no common friendships. Is that about right?

Have you ever considered that there is more to a job than skill? Some companies prefer to train novice employees so that there will be no conflicts with prior methodologies. Other companies feel that personal references (i.e. good ole boy network and nepotism) are worth far more than skills, which can be learned. Knowing the personal background of a person prior to employment can be invaluable. I would rather hire a person with no skills than an educated drunk that calls in sick every other Friday. Skills are only part of the equation.

I think what scares me most is that you seem to want to government to approve every hiring decision that "private" companies are making.

 

[afterhours]

Interesting ...........

So what addresses Nepotism & The "Good-Old Boy" Network, that often results in the hiring of people due to "who" they know or are related to, without regard for their actual qualifications??

let me guess....you saw my anti AA post and automatically went into a "Good Ol' Boy" rant....typical.

the point is, quotas do not address the problem, they only allow less qualified people to take jobs from qualified people.

one standard....

we are almost 3 generations past Brown v. Board of Education.....and yet blacks/hispanics and other minorities still are not building and and educating qualifieds young men and women..

women have done....there have been major outreach programs for women over the last 30 years, women going into the high schools and elementary schools and sgowing other young women that they can be doctors,lwyers and scientists.

that is evident by the fact that women outnumber men in most colleges, and are increasingly entering traditionally disciplines like engineering and the sciences.

you cannot mandate that more of anything be hired or accepted without addressing how to provide the training and education needed to create viable qualified candidates.

AA is typical of most government endeavors, outdated, and flawed.

 

[Mr Brown]

AA doesn't work well, or as intended, but it is better than nothing.
Afterhours states that we are 3 generations past Brown v. Board, yet minorities have done little to better their situation. I would contend that we are twice as far past Plessy v. Ferguson, yet we still consider our President black. Legislation is incapable of changing people's minds, all it can do is attempt to inform the public of what the government's position. When, as is the case with AA, the government can withold funding for non-compliance, more action is usually seen regardless of what company owners think of the law. It's a shame that money is the best motivator, but in our morally bankrupt society it doesn't suprise me.

 

[afterhours]

AA doesn't work well, or as intended, but it is better than nothing.
Afterhours states that we are 3 generations past Brown v. Board, yet minorities have done little to better their situation. I would contend that we are twice as far past Plessy v. Ferguson, yet we still consider our President black. Legislation is incapable of changing people's minds, all it can do is attempt to inform the public of what the government's position. When, as is the case with AA, the government can withold funding for non-compliance, more action is usually seen regardless of what company owners think of the law. It's a shame that money is the best motivator, but in our morally bankrupt society it doesn't suprise me.

Plessy v. Feruson?

 

[skydivr]

I should be able to hire whoever the hell I want to for my business if I own the company, without the government's intervention.

 

[Tufbusa]

I should be able to hire whoever the hell I want to for my business if I own the company, without the government's intervention.

I completely agree!

 

[Dino]

I should be able to hire whoever the hell I want to for my business if I own the company, without the government's intervention.

I completely agree!

Exactly why I am thankful our founding fathers were wise enough to form a republic rather than a democracy.

 

[StromBusa]

Dino's back I was just thinking I'd have to bring up "Track day in speedos" to troll him in... Just kidding

 

[afterhours]

I should be able to hire whoever the hell I want to for my business if I own the company, without the government's intervention.

you can.....

however, if you violate anti descrimination laws you will be punished....

 

[J'Man]

Interesting ...........

So what addresses Nepotism & The "Good-Old Boy" Network, that often results in the hiring of people due to "who" they know or are related to, without regard for their actual qualifications??

Do you really think minorities are not guilty of doing the same thing?? People in general are more prone to hire others they know or are related to. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[Vonderbach]

Exactly why I am thankful our founding fathers were wise enough to form a republic rather than a democracy.

Do you realize that you're one of only 2-3 people that I have ever known (personally or on the web) that actually knows that we are a republic? Even most of our leaders still call us a democracy.

It's refreshing to say the least.

 

[Dino]

Do you realize that you're one of only 2-3 people that I have ever known (personally or on the web) that actually knows that we are a republic? Even most of our leaders still call us a democracy.

It's refreshing to say the least.

thank you.

 

[Southside Playa]

let me guess....you saw my anti AA post and automatically went into a "Good Ol' Boy" rant....typical.

the point is, quotas do not address the problem, they only allow less qualified people to take jobs from qualified people.

one standard....

we are almost 3 generations past Brown v. Board of Education.....and yet blacks/hispanics and other minorities still are not building and and educating qualifieds young men and women..

women have done....there have been major outreach programs for women over the last 30 years, women going into the high schools and elementary schools and sgowing other young women that they can be doctors,lwyers and scientists.

that is evident by the fact that women outnumber men in most colleges, and are increasingly entering traditionally disciplines like engineering and the sciences.

you cannot mandate that more of anything be hired or accepted without addressing how to provide the training and education needed to create viable qualified candidates.

AA is typical of most government endeavors, outdated, and flawed.

Look, I wasn't laying on AA as you would suggest, but rather pointing out that you want to argue about someone getting on job that they are not qualified for as a result of AA, however, now it is okay to hire anyone you want & you can "train" them. What a crock.

If someone is not qualified then they are not qualified, but it is cool if he's your brother-in-law or son-in-law & he couldn't thread a fugging needle, but you can train him.

And help you understand he better, this ain't about race to me, I am looking for an even playing field for all. I am really good about giving my business to the best firm, not just cause it's black-owned. Trust me we treat each other like shid very often (see my other thread).

End of the day, why can't things TRULY be equal. I am not looking for any special treatment cause of the color of my skin or where I grew up at. I bust my azz daily cause that is what life is about.

I was in a situation where my boss's boss was a "dirty old man" that wanted to hire a bunch of young, attractive female engineers. I was informed by his former assistant that these young girls got better raises/bonuses year in and year out over all of the the others engineers. So why would I hang around when I am getting Good performance appraisals & the quality of my work is good, but stil getting stiffed on the $$. So I left & haven't looked back. Point is, if I am working for someone under those conditions, I can't compete with that. And trust me, it was proven time & time again that these chicks were no smarter then the men, but they were smoking hot (well, at least some of them).

I am now in a btter situation, but I won't ever believe in being complacent. I make sure that I make myself an asset to my company & I keep my skills on-point so that I am able to do what is asked of me above & beyond what is expected at times. I didn't go in thinking hey I'm black, hire me. I guess that may not be what you were refering to as typical after all.

 

[Mr Brown]

Plessy v. Feruson?

Supreme Court decision upholding (among other things) the Louisiana legal standard defining race for legal purposes. If an individual is 7/8 white but 1/8 black, they are considered black. Utterly pathetic and mathmatically incongruent. The doctorine of separate but equal that was overturned by Brown v. Board came from this.

 

[Mr Brown]

Do you realize that you're one of only 2-3 people that I have ever known (personally or on the web) that actually knows that we are a republic? Even most of our leaders still call us a democracy.

It's refreshing to say the least.

Guess I'm the 3rd.....
Always amuses me is that people cannot distinguish between a democracy and a representative democracy either.....

 

[Vonderbach]

If someone is not qualified then they are not qualified, but it is cool if he's your brother-in-law or son-in-law & he couldn't thread a fugging needle, but you can train him.

In conclusion, skill sets are all that is required for a well rounded employee. Is this what you're saying?

And help you understand he better, this ain't about race to me, I am looking for an even playing field for all.

I think you fail to understand that evening the playing field would be quite the opposite. By regulating our hiring practices, you are in effect causing a reverse discrimination against referral hires.

End of the day, why can't things TRULY be equal. I am not looking for any special treatment cause of the color of my skin or where I grew up at. I bust my azz daily cause that is what life is about.

See, I believe you, and I think that you're probably the type of person that "I" would hire. However, do you want me to hire you because you were the best candidate or because I was told that I had to hire you? Do you not think there might be some animosity if I was forced to hire you?

I was in a situation where my boss's boss was a "dirty old man" that wanted to hire a bunch of young, attractive female engineers. I was informed by his former assistant that these young girls got better raises/bonuses year in and year out over all of the the others engineers. So why would I hang around when I am getting Good performance appraisals & the quality of my work is good, but stil getting stiffed on the $$. So I left & haven't looked back.

So you did what any self-respecting person would do, you left a bad situation. You did what I would do and many others here would do. But I still fail to see how you can legislate this from happening without completely invading the private structure of a firm.

Guess I'm the 3rd.....
Always amuses me is that people cannot distinguish between a democracy and a representative democracy either.....

I think you're fourth, but hell, I forgot the other two.

 

[skydivr]

I am not looking for any special treatment cause of the color of my skin or where I grew up at. I bust my azz daily cause that is what life is about.

I appauld you for your stance. If only everyone exercised a little common sense like that, we would not need these laws.

 

[Southside Playa]

The biggest problem in all of this is that you have too many people that spend exorbitant amounts of time trying to get over at the expense of someone else. Whether it be a welfare queen having kids to keep from working, or your Bernie Madoff/Robert Allen Stanford types that mastermind massive schemes that bilk thousands from their hard-earned money.

Greed & piss-poor morals are the common denominators. And those two things transcend race, gender, financial status, & political affiliation.

 

[blownws6]

I just read all of this thread, man my eyes burn.

 

[Rev. 6:5]

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