Woolich quick shifter

[sixpack577]

For those that have the ECU flash from Moore Mafia that takes the timing delay out, how is it working?

Any conversations with Chris Moore about the potential impact on the transmission? My understanding is that the ignition is retarded by the ECM to 'unload' the transmission to allow the shift to happen.

I'd like to understand this before getting the tune.

Here's what Suzuki says:

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Here's what Moore says:

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The stock delay is apparenyly too long, hence the lag.
It seems not all gen3's have the issue, some do and need fixed, but one member recently said that the QS flash did not fix his gen3's QS.
To me, that's another nail in the coffin for Suzuki.
Some of these bikes have enough issues as it is, especially with failing front brakes, and failing to restart.
As someone who's owned Busa's and many bikes, sat on a gen3 almost a year ago and loved it, and was seriously planning to buy one(even though I b*tched about the price, lol)...the gen3 is off the table for me.
No way would i risk $20k+ for a new bike to risk these issues, as Murphy's Law says that if I buy a gen3 it'll have those issues.
Maybe, maybe, we won't hear of any of these problems on the 2023's, otherwise, I'm out, I'll never buy another new Suzuki.

 

[scotty - 12]

The stock delay is apparenyly too long, hence the lag.
It seems not all gen3's have the issue, some do and need fixed, but one member recently said that the QS flash did not fix his gen3's QS.
To me, that's another nail in the coffin for Suzuki.
Some of these bikes have enough issues as it is, especially with failing front brakes, and failing to restart.
As someone who's owned Busa's and many bikes, sat on a gen3 almost a year ago and loved it, and was seriously planning to buy one(even though I b*tched about the price, lol)...the gen3 is off the table for me.
No way would i risk $20k+ for a new bike to risk these issues, as Murphy's Law says that if I buy a gen3 it'll have those issues.
Maybe, maybe, we won't hear of any of these problems on the 2023's, otherwise, I'm out, I'll never buy another new Suzuki.

The shifting issues is a minimal irritation at best. Not a big deal. My BMW did same thing . Maybe you aren’t experienced with oem QS bikes?

 

[Busa3Fan]

I also own a 2021 Bmw GS 1250 Adventure Edition 40 for which I paid 26.500 euro and the QS is 10 times worse at least than on my Gen 3 Busa.

For example, it is impossible to use the QS between 1 and 2 without looking like a damn noob, the shifting being extremely aggressive.

Before these 2 bikes, I owned a 2020 Bmw F900R and the QS was again bad, much worse than on Gen 3 Hayabusa.

I also test drived quite a few bikes that all had QS issues, more or less: Bmw S1000RR, Bmw S1000XR,Bmw 1250 RT, Ducati Multistrada V4S, Triumph Tiger 1200, Aprilia RSV4, Aprilia Tuono.

My opinion is that OEM QS will not work 100% perfectly, every moment, no matter the bike.

The Gen 3 makes some weird quick shifts from time to time but it is still one of the best systems I tried so far.

 

[sixpack577]

The shifting issues is a minimal irritation at best. Not a big deal. My BMW did same thing . Maybe you aren’t experienced with oem QS bikes?

I have been riding a 2018gsxr1000R with the factory Quickshifter since my friend bought it new 4-19(he drives a truck, the bike lives with me, I do all the work on it, and ride it like it's mine).
I have put thousands of trouble free miles on the QS, it works great, every time, up or down, and even shifts well at 2k rpm cruising along slowly.
The higher the rpms, the smoother and quicker the shift.
I've yet to ride a gen3, but now have little to no interest in buying one, too many bs what-ifs with them now.

 

[sixpack577]

I also own a 2021 Bmw GS 1250 Adventure Edition 40 for which I paid 26.500 euro and the QS is 10 times worse at least than on my Gen 3 Busa.

For example, it is impossible to use the QS between 1 and 2 without looking like a damn noob, the shifting being extremely aggressive.

Before these 2 bikes, I owned a 2020 Bmw F900R and the QS was again bad, much worse than on Gen 3 Hayabusa.

I also test drived quite a few bikes that all had QS issues, more or less: Bmw S1000RR, Bmw S1000XR,Bmw 1250 RT, Ducati Multistrada V4S, Triumph Tiger 1200, Aprilia RSV4, Aprilia Tuono.

My opinion is that OEM QS will not work 100% perfectly, every moment, no matter the bike.

The Gen 3 makes some weird quick shifts from time to time but it is still one of the best systems I tried so far.

The gsxr1000R QS works perfect, every time.
This 2018 is nearing 10k miles, and the QS has never had an issue.
It shifts very fast, smooth, and engages postively.
Zero complaints.
I thought it was pointless at first, then I started using it...now I don't want another bike without one.

 

[Bumblebee]

The gsxr1000R QS works perfect, every time.
This 2018 is nearing 10k miles, and the QS has never had an issue.
It shifts very fast, smooth, and engages postively.
Zero complaints.
I thought it was pointless at first, then I started using it...now I don't want another bike without one.

Exactly, why Suzuki didn't use the exact same system on the gen 3 is baffling...

Suzuki is my first love for motorcycles but sometimes they make it hard to love them.

 

[Armoni76]

Hi folks,
Here the response I just received from Suzuki France about the QS "issue", it is a Google translation :

"Following the checks and interventions carried out by the technical team of the Suzuki dealership in Maromme as well as our Regional Manager, we have been assured that your vehicle meets the quality and reliability standards established by Suzuki.

Indeed, this feeling of cut is a safety in the electronic management of control of the shifter. If the shift action is not sharp enough, the ECM will increase the power reduction delay to ensure proper upshift locking. The goal is not to risk damaging the gearbox and thus guarantee the reliability of our products."

 

[sixpack577]

Hi folks,
Here the response I just received from Suzuki France about the QS "issue", it is a Google translation :

"Following the checks and interventions carried out by the technical team of the Suzuki dealership in Maromme as well as our Regional Manager, we have been assured that your vehicle meets the quality and reliability standards established by Suzuki.

Indeed, this feeling of cut is a safety in the electronic management of control of the shifter. If the shift action is not sharp enough, the ECM will increase the power reduction delay to ensure proper upshift locking. The goal is not to risk damaging the gearbox and thus guarantee the reliability of our products.
And if it shifts slow and sloppy, or the bike won't restart, or the brakes fail...we don't care.
Regards,

Suzuki

There, fixed it.

 

[TheGza]

So I have had a more flash and my stock shifter still has the bs delay sometimes... Always between 1-2 or 2-3 never in any other gear. Doesn't always do it. Bt it's like a long 1-2 second delay were it feels like its cutting the spark. I may try the woolich since it's a simple plug and play. It's also a smaller unit and may allow me to run reverse shift pattern

 

[mark3evo]

The gsxr1000R QS works perfect, every time.
This 2018 is nearing 10k miles, and the QS has never had an issue.
It shifts very fast, smooth, and engages postively.
Zero complaints.
I thought it was pointless at first, then I started using it...now I don't want another bike without one.

how do you find the Suzook crutch rocket to the busa ???

i keep thinking i need a gixxer thou before i shuffle off this mortal coil

i'm 6'1" and 200 lbs have no back issue or aching knees etc etc

 

[sixpack577]

how do you find the Suzook crutch rocket to the busa ???

i keep thinking i need a gixxer thou before i shuffle off this mortal coil

i'm 6'1" and 200 lbs have no back issue or aching knees etc etc

I'm 5'10" 170 lbs
I've owned gsxr1k's, and ridden every generation, they are my favorite.
A friend has an 09 with dirtbike bars, and it's one of the funnest bikes I've ridden(of many).
I prefer the gen2 Busa engine above all, have yet to ride a gen3, but find it Much more comfortable than the gen1 or 2, which I have ridden alot.
I like the weight of the Busa too, and other days I prefer the 1k.
Pros and cons to both, but they are pretty well matched in acceleration.

 

[TheGza]

I'm 5'10" 170 lbs
I've owned gsxr1k's, and ridden every generation, they are my favorite.
A friend has an 09 with dirtbike bars, and it's one of the funnest bikes I've ridden(of many).
I prefer the gen2 Busa engine above all, have yet to ride a gen3, but find it Much more comfortable than the gen1 or 2, which I have ridden alot.
I like the weight of the Busa too, and other days I prefer the 1k.
Pros and cons to both, but they are pretty well matched in acceleration.

Of all the bikes I've owned I have always had a fondness of the big gixxer, but the gen 3 Busa was a game changer for me... Maybe cuz I'm older now... But you just can't compromise the comfortably perfect seating position on this bike. I'm still looking for my perfect 2nd bike... Will likely be something more aggressive in the seating position maybe not as powerful.. R7 maybe... I sat on a gen 2 yesterday for the first time since owning my gen 3 and no way I'd go back. The gen 3 feels like it was built for me in every aspect (except the damn crappy QS) eventually after I have that second bike I'll send my gen 3 in for some head work and cams... I could be really happy with 200whp on pump gas.
HI on my list for 2nd bike is a k6 gsxr 1000, R7, TL1000R or a BMW s1000r... I know... I'm all over the place

 

[sixpack577]

I love the TL1000's too
and the 05/06 gsxr1k really are great

 

[mark3evo]

and the 05/06 gsxr1k really are great

the lightest of the bunch BMW designed the S1000RR on those model

 

[TheGza]

the lightest of the bunch BMW designed the S1000RR on those model

I want a single r... The naked version!!

 

[sixpack577]

I want a single r... The naked version!!

I did too...until I rode one last year.
It has electronic suspension.
In my head I'm thinking R1M or Panigale fully electronic...nope...2 settings.
Setting one is Pogo stick, so ridiculously non handling and wildly bouncy it's almost fun.
Setting two seems great at first, it's firm, corners nice...then it doesn't.
It simply cannot keep up.
Handling problems quickly arise that require a click or 2 of compression or rebound to correct, but there are no adjustments that can be made.
So, if you do Anything other than cruise, this is not the bike for you.
I was very disapointed, and really suprised that it was built in such a way.
However, if you put dirtbike/Spiegler bars on a gsxr1000...you get an amazing handling and very comfortble bike...that you Can fully adjust the suspension.

 

[TheGza]

I did too...until I rode one last year.
It has electronic suspension.
In my head I'm thinking R1M or Panigale fully electronic...nope...2 settings.
Setting one is Pogo stick, so ridiculously non handling and wildly bouncy it's almost fun.
Setting two seems great at first, it's firm, corners nice...then it doesn't.
It simply cannot keep up.
Handling problems quickly arise that require a click or 2 of compression or rebound to correct, but there are no adjustments that can be made.
So, if you do Anything other than cruise, this is not the bike for you.
I was very disapointed, and really suprised that it was built in such a way.
However, if you put dirtbike/Spiegler bars on a gsxr1000...you get an amazing handling and very comfortble bike...that you Can fully adjust the suspension.

I had a similar experience with the 2016 s1000r I rode, but if I get the BMW it will be a new 23' m model that has the full blown 210hp!!