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Couldn't say it better myself so........ DITTO!!!
Should guns be banned?
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Couldn't say it better myself so........ DITTO!!!
As for the Spring Bash I'm sure you guys would hand a loaded gun to a guy who just tipped over his Busa trying to park???
I seriously doubt that. Most of us (I say most because there are a few dumbazzes out there) know the proper proceedure:
- The owner clears his weapon and the person who wants to see it watches; shows them no rounds in gun/chamber. Owner pockets rounds. Only then does he hand said weapon over
- The 'guest', if he knows how, again clears the weapon to verify to himself that it's clear.
- At no time does either the owner or the guest point said weapon at anyone - if that or other jackassery starts to happen, the viewing is over.
I'm very careful with whom I "share" with, and I expect the same in return. There are members on this board I would trust, but I have to eyeball them first.
I can think of few places on earth that you would better protected than at a hayabusa.org event.I might take you guys up on that. I am def in on the Bash. You have to promise not to shoot me though
I wonder...would the same people who are screaming to ban guns, be wiling to first ban all gun violence from TV, Movie, Print and Video Games first, and see what happens? Or would they squall about their First Amendment rights being violated...?
i posted this on facebook...didnt know if anyone posted here
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.
Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 YEARLY fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.
Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'.
He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."
Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."
Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.
Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state. It’s currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.
" America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the ******** "
This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns to defend themselves.
Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go towards paying for their defense!
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.
Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 YEARLY fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.
Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'.
He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."
Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."
Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.
Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state. It’s currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.
" America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the ******** "
This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns to defend themselves.
Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go towards paying for their defense!
as a thought if they can make bikers wear helmets due to "increased health costs, health premiums" taxing those increaseing costs to rest of society by their lack of self defense (helmet is self defense isnt it? right along with seat belts) why would this not be a valid "tax" on those unwilling to defend themselves.
I hope all these politicians are just paying lip service to the media and that none of them will actually act on this.
masterblaster
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Not really a group joiner (American Legion,VFW) but I joined the NRA today.
This time last week the store near me had almost 100 Ar style rifles in stock.
Now they have 3, yes 3!
Get em while their available!!!! Before it cost you 3,000 for a regular rifle.
Now they have 3, yes 3!
Get em while their available!!!! Before it cost you 3,000 for a regular rifle.
Defoor Proformance
The Good Wolf
Banning guns again will only serve to make the agenda of those in political
power famous for their 15 minutes and further divide the country which is
already on a near 50/50 split on every major issue. Emotion has played a major
role in the most recent event, as it always has in history when evil men or
governments have gone after children. In the big scheme of things, more people
will die from heart conditions caused by toxic fast food today. As will more die
from driving drunk, just today. Instead of talking about getting rid of the only
thing that will save you, talk should be focused on identifying those that need
mental help and instituting better security to vulnerable locations, both with
hardware and highly trained personnel. How much is your child worth? Talk should
also be allotted for family values, and modern culture.
At least some senior administrators should be trained to carry a firearm.
Notice I say trained, not just put it on and think they automatically know how
to employ it if he’s wearing it. The administrators need a traditional 2 week
course taught by someone who is a pro trainer, and has dealt death before in a
cqb type environment, someone who can actually teach them how to win. Then they
need recurring training quarterly to keep up skills and pass a qual. Also,
schools should have plans and additional non- firearm training for these
events…. Fire drills ain’t cutting it any more.
The “assault rifle†thing.
Mag fed, semi auto is what gets this description. So we are to believe that
getting rid of these “assault†guns will make a difference? Look at how many of
the mass shooters had MULTIPLE guns! Connecticut is just one example. Columbine
is another. You can make it so that only hunting rifles are legal and make
yourself feel better, but the reality is that magazine capacity and whether or
not its semi auto have had little effect on the numbers of people killed in mass
shootings. Looking back in gun history will show us that before reliable
“repeating†firearms were commonplace, that both criminal (the pirate
Blackbeard), and lawman (Wild Bill Hickok) simply carried multiple guns into an
engagement. They did this because of their desired end state….to accomplish
their goal. The mass shooter will continue to do the same. Instead of thinking
on a knee jerk †how to stop this now†mentality, all authorities should think ,
†how can we stop Kyle Defoor from doing this�
Bring religion back to the forefront in school and home. I’m not saying we
need a full bible thumping movement, but our country was founded, on the most
part, because of religious freedom. Our kids and young adults have to know there
is something bigger than themselves. Make them do things for other people at a
young age. Make it so they are involved with all types of people from an early
age so that they respect everyone.
Team first, then me.
Understand death. Our young people must know and understand from an early age
what death is and how it effects everything. They are desensitized to the
concept of death through video games, the media, and Hollywood movies. Take a
kid hunting, kill an animal. Take a child to a funeral of a loved one, touch the
body.
Understand life. We are now seeing the results of the big, easy, want-it-now
life that has become the American. We are also entering the first generation of
Americans that were raised as complete *******. Life for most under 40 is in a
fake, computerized world, watching a reality show and eating man made food…..and
pretending. Pretty soon the pretending becomes so habit forming that there is no
concept of real/fake, right/wrong. Almost all the mass shooters have been video
gamers that are 16-25 years old and white. The majority, by family and friends
admission, are obsessed with some sort of non- reality hobby like first person
video games or the like. We need to get our children outside more, more physical
activities, and more time together with family. Encourage adult and children
alike to go do for real what it is they are interested in. Instead of pretending
to be a Navy SEAL on a video game and shooting bad guys, set a goal, train for
it, and BECOME a SEAL.
Be a stricter parent. Why is it that no inner city youth with a single hard
working mom has ever been a mass shooter? We know through gangs the child could
get a gun….could it be because the single, poor mother who works 3 jobs doesn’t
allow any bull**** in her house? That she has her kids time occupied constantly
with after school activities? That she puts them in the church every Sunday? And
that after having some religion, family time, and hard work that the kid really
knows what life is about?
Understand violence. If guns are the problem, how come my generation (
graduated high school in early 90s) took rifles TO SCHOOL and left them in our
vehicles during hunting season and no one got shot? Multiple fights on campus
monthly and going to grab a gun to solve a problem wasn’t even in our solar
system. Guns haven’t changed, they all still work the same. People, both parents
and kids have, our culture has changed. Do your part to change it back.
For my part, I have already began an overall plan that will be instituted on
a school in the immediate future, and a second school in a few weeks time. From
there, I will tweak the plan as issues arise. This is an effort from not just me
but some close associates and teammates as well. Please share this info to any
municipalities that may need help. My network is large and they do not need to
be concerned with cost. I will work with them as best as possible.
The Good Wolf
Banning guns again will only serve to make the agenda of those in political
power famous for their 15 minutes and further divide the country which is
already on a near 50/50 split on every major issue. Emotion has played a major
role in the most recent event, as it always has in history when evil men or
governments have gone after children. In the big scheme of things, more people
will die from heart conditions caused by toxic fast food today. As will more die
from driving drunk, just today. Instead of talking about getting rid of the only
thing that will save you, talk should be focused on identifying those that need
mental help and instituting better security to vulnerable locations, both with
hardware and highly trained personnel. How much is your child worth? Talk should
also be allotted for family values, and modern culture.
At least some senior administrators should be trained to carry a firearm.
Notice I say trained, not just put it on and think they automatically know how
to employ it if he’s wearing it. The administrators need a traditional 2 week
course taught by someone who is a pro trainer, and has dealt death before in a
cqb type environment, someone who can actually teach them how to win. Then they
need recurring training quarterly to keep up skills and pass a qual. Also,
schools should have plans and additional non- firearm training for these
events…. Fire drills ain’t cutting it any more.
The “assault rifle†thing.
Mag fed, semi auto is what gets this description. So we are to believe that
getting rid of these “assault†guns will make a difference? Look at how many of
the mass shooters had MULTIPLE guns! Connecticut is just one example. Columbine
is another. You can make it so that only hunting rifles are legal and make
yourself feel better, but the reality is that magazine capacity and whether or
not its semi auto have had little effect on the numbers of people killed in mass
shootings. Looking back in gun history will show us that before reliable
“repeating†firearms were commonplace, that both criminal (the pirate
Blackbeard), and lawman (Wild Bill Hickok) simply carried multiple guns into an
engagement. They did this because of their desired end state….to accomplish
their goal. The mass shooter will continue to do the same. Instead of thinking
on a knee jerk †how to stop this now†mentality, all authorities should think ,
†how can we stop Kyle Defoor from doing this�
Bring religion back to the forefront in school and home. I’m not saying we
need a full bible thumping movement, but our country was founded, on the most
part, because of religious freedom. Our kids and young adults have to know there
is something bigger than themselves. Make them do things for other people at a
young age. Make it so they are involved with all types of people from an early
age so that they respect everyone.
Team first, then me.
Understand death. Our young people must know and understand from an early age
what death is and how it effects everything. They are desensitized to the
concept of death through video games, the media, and Hollywood movies. Take a
kid hunting, kill an animal. Take a child to a funeral of a loved one, touch the
body.
Understand life. We are now seeing the results of the big, easy, want-it-now
life that has become the American. We are also entering the first generation of
Americans that were raised as complete *******. Life for most under 40 is in a
fake, computerized world, watching a reality show and eating man made food…..and
pretending. Pretty soon the pretending becomes so habit forming that there is no
concept of real/fake, right/wrong. Almost all the mass shooters have been video
gamers that are 16-25 years old and white. The majority, by family and friends
admission, are obsessed with some sort of non- reality hobby like first person
video games or the like. We need to get our children outside more, more physical
activities, and more time together with family. Encourage adult and children
alike to go do for real what it is they are interested in. Instead of pretending
to be a Navy SEAL on a video game and shooting bad guys, set a goal, train for
it, and BECOME a SEAL.
Be a stricter parent. Why is it that no inner city youth with a single hard
working mom has ever been a mass shooter? We know through gangs the child could
get a gun….could it be because the single, poor mother who works 3 jobs doesn’t
allow any bull**** in her house? That she has her kids time occupied constantly
with after school activities? That she puts them in the church every Sunday? And
that after having some religion, family time, and hard work that the kid really
knows what life is about?
Understand violence. If guns are the problem, how come my generation (
graduated high school in early 90s) took rifles TO SCHOOL and left them in our
vehicles during hunting season and no one got shot? Multiple fights on campus
monthly and going to grab a gun to solve a problem wasn’t even in our solar
system. Guns haven’t changed, they all still work the same. People, both parents
and kids have, our culture has changed. Do your part to change it back.
For my part, I have already began an overall plan that will be instituted on
a school in the immediate future, and a second school in a few weeks time. From
there, I will tweak the plan as issues arise. This is an effort from not just me
but some close associates and teammates as well. Please share this info to any
municipalities that may need help. My network is large and they do not need to
be concerned with cost. I will work with them as best as possible.
GNBRETT
Registered
I dont know the statistics off hand but I would be curious to know how many lives are saved every year as a result of guns vs. lives taken away. that to me is what the real question here is.
if we as a society could honestly say that guns save more lives then they take then the gun debate would be over.
but I can tell you for a fact that in 17 years of LE I have been to over 100 homicides personally and probably 200-300 robberies and I can honestly say that I can't remember more then 3 or 4 times where someone used a gun in self defense and it was always at a gas station or corner store. but this is in a poor violent city so it certainly isnt the norm for the rest of the country.
90% of all crimes that occur in the home happen when the home owner is away so even the argument for home defense is weak.
so does anyone have any statistics to argue one way or the other?
if we as a society could honestly say that guns save more lives then they take then the gun debate would be over.
but I can tell you for a fact that in 17 years of LE I have been to over 100 homicides personally and probably 200-300 robberies and I can honestly say that I can't remember more then 3 or 4 times where someone used a gun in self defense and it was always at a gas station or corner store. but this is in a poor violent city so it certainly isnt the norm for the rest of the country.
90% of all crimes that occur in the home happen when the home owner is away so even the argument for home defense is weak.
so does anyone have any statistics to argue one way or the other?
Listened to NPR all day yesterday while at work and their commentators stated over and over again that video games and hollywood movies weren't the problem according to major studies. 
I saw something the other day that stated that 2.2 deaths occur when Concealed Weapons Carrier is around and that 18.7 deaths occur when police are called
Not sure what that is in reference to
GNBRETT
Registered
does that really even need to be debated? ???Listened to NPR all day yesterday while at work and their commentators stated over and over again that video games and hollywood movies weren't the problem according to major studies.
are we to assume that Germany, Japan and England have no kids playing video games or watching Hollywood movies?
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