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But the civic motor weighs well over twice the original bike motor so will stuff up the bikes well designed excellent power to weight ratio .... Honda , must be very guilty of sitting around , not building good bike engines like their civic ..
Honda made/makes a few awesome bike engines.

Remember the oval piston engine they made?

I would wager their CBR1000RRR SP would outrun pretty much anything out there.....that bike is a real beast......a real expensive beast....
 
In the past decade or so we've seen some neat new-retro stuff. Camaro and Challenger type of thing. For me, part of the appeal of the 'Busa is the legacy. I love that everybody know's what it is. That I can get nearly any go-fast part for it. And that I really wanted one way back when and now we have one in the garage.

And that it's seriously fast...
 
Honda made/makes a few awesome bike engines.

Remember the oval piston engine they made?

I would wager their CBR1000RRR SP would outrun pretty much anything out there.....that bike is a real beast......a real expensive beast....
The NR series oval piston , yes it used ceramics ( pistons ? ) inside the motor . But the Honda civic , must still be better than the new Honda 1000 rrr sp bike motor , because it is for their car line ..... and only weighs what the entire bike does ....
 
But the civic motor weighs well over twice the original bike motor so will stuff up the bikes well designed excellent power to weight ratio .... Honda , must be very guilty of sitting around , not building good bike engines like their civic ..
You are correct, those motors are built pretty heavy. The reason for that is reliability versus load factor. Load factor =(Average Power normally used over life of motor) / (Maximum power) x 100. Then add AC, larger electrical charging power steering, auto transmissions etc.

Motorcycles pushing 200 hp on the road uses a very small percentage of that 200 hp in comparison over the lifetime of the motor.

The auto trend world wide though is much smaller motors, all turbo charged. We have Kawasaki with their super charger, but no one has really gotten into smaller cc with turbos.
 
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You are correct, those motors are built pretty heavy. The reason for that is reliability versus load factor. Load factor =( Maximum Power) / (Averge Power normally used over life of motor) x 100.

Motorcycles pushing 200 hp on the road uses a very small percentage of that 200 hp in comparison over the lifetime of the motor.

The auto trend world wide though is much smaller motors, all turbo charged. We have Kawasaki with their super charger, but no one has really gotten into smaller cc with turbos.
Thanks for clarifying that . Because of my interest in the supercharged Kawasaki , I was told the emissions were more easily achieved attained over normally aspirated models . But , contrary to this , because the slower sales of H2 Ninja in Europe , that model is now not marketed there , only the SE SX tourer and ZH2 Naked . I hope to see many more interesting design from the motorcycle industry in future .
 
Thanks for clarifying that . Because of my interest in the supercharged Kawasaki , I was told the emissions were more easily achieved attained over normally aspirated models . But , contrary to this , because the slower sales of H2 Ninja in Europe , that model is now not marketed there , only the SE SX tourer and ZH2 Naked . I hope to see many more interesting design from the motorcycle industry in future .
I rode a Kawasaki KLR diesel bike overseas that the US spec ops teams had...it was really something, the torque from that tiny turbo diesel was incredible....it was pretty heavy for a KLR but had torque right off idle and could go forever on a tank of fuel it seemed....

I find it kind of interesting that Honda really hung onto the flat engine design in the Gold Wing but never developed one for a car even though Subaru had excellent success with their flat engine....
 
The NR series oval piston , yes it used ceramics ( pistons ? ) inside the motor . But the Honda civic , must still be better than the new Honda 1000 rrr sp bike motor , because it is for their car line ..... and only weighs what the entire bike does ....
.....the NR750 was a sexy beast of a bike too...

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With the event of electric mobility for the future, it is probably a challenge to justify funds needed for research and development to further improve ICE technology. May be a wait and see decade we are in.
 
With the event of electric mobility for the future, it is probably a challenge to justify funds needed for research and development to further improve ICE technology. May be a wait and see decade we are in.

But, look at Ford, they are abandonning EV's, and Toyota has wanted to for some time, as they have been trying to jumpstart hydrogen technology.
The EV's of today are a far cry from where they need to be, especially the infastructure needed to sustain them.
It seems as though the current EV direction will not work, at least until technology allows for some high degree of self charging.
There were electric cars in the early 1900's, self charging, also with home charging stations, and 200+ mile ranges.
Keeping in mind Nikola Tesla, what he achieved publicly(even though his tech is still basically unknown the by the masses, let alone understood).
This tech was killed off by the Edison's, the Rockefeller's, the Carnegy's, and the big businessmen and oil barrons of the day...all for the money involved, as usual.
And, the EV market of today is still a political racket.
EV's have tremendous potential, but we won't be Allowed to create a clean energy society...as the government money grab isn't in place for that...yet...
 
Yes!
The old NR from the 90's
I might be just getting old and nostalgic but I sure like the old (er) bikes....there was just something about that early styling....

I find pretty much all the bikes look the same these days and you really have to pay attention to see what is what...

In bygone days bikes had a distinctive look for the most part...although the Yamaha FZR1K did resemble the GSXR of the day but the color of the Yamahopper was distinct....
 
I might be just getting old and nostalgic but I sure like the old (er) bikes....there was just something about that early styling....

I find pretty much all the bikes look the same these days and you really have to pay attention to see what is what...

In bygone days bikes had a distinctive look for the most part...although the Yamaha FZR1K did resemble the GSXR of the day but the color of the Yamahopper was distinct....

Yep, I agree.
I liked alot of the 70's and 80's bikes, but the early 90's til around the debut of the Gen2 Busa, is my favorite era of sportbikes.
The Gen2 engine is still my all time favorite.
I liked all the funky colors of the 90's too.
And, Kawasaki is celebrating 40 years of the Ninja name.
This is their 400, but the same colors on the zx10 look great, very nostaligic, I wish the other manufacturers would take notes.

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Honda made/makes a few awesome bike engines.

Remember the oval piston engine they made?

I would wager their CBR1000RRR SP would outrun pretty much anything out there.....that bike is a real beast......a real expensive beast....
10.4 seconds stock best on the 1/4. Still slower than a 23 year old Hayabusa.
Beyond the 1/4 it is a different story, so for the track or the mile, yep it is a monster. I ride on the street though.
 
Yep, I agree.
I liked alot of the 70's and 80's bikes, but the early 90's til around the debut of the Gen2 Busa, is my favorite era of sportbikes.
The Gen2 engine is still my all time favorite.
I liked all the funky colors of the 90's too.
And, Kawasaki is celebrating 40 years of the Ninja name.
This is their 400, but the same colors on the zx10 look great, very nostaligic, I wish the other manufacturers would take notes.

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I like this 400.....everything I read on it says it is a great little bike that punches well above it's weight.....

But I agree, I like many bikes of the '90s but the bikes of the '80s are my favorite....RGs, RZs, GSXRs, FZRs, GPZs were my favorite...I also really liked the original (and 85/86 pop up) Katanas....

Interceptors were ok but not my favorite
 
But, look at Ford, they are abandonning EV's, and Toyota has wanted to for some time, as they have been trying to jumpstart hydrogen technology.
The EV's of today are a far cry from where they need to be, especially the infastructure needed to sustain them.
It seems as though the current EV direction will not work, at least until technology allows for some high degree of self charging.
There were electric cars in the early 1900's, self charging, also with home charging stations, and 200+ mile ranges.
Keeping in mind Nikola Tesla, what he achieved publicly(even though his tech is still basically unknown the by the masses, let alone understood).
This tech was killed off by the Edison's, the Rockefeller's, the Carnegy's, and the big businessmen and oil barrons of the day...all for the money involved, as usual.
And, the EV market of today is still a political racket.
EV's have tremendous potential, but we won't be Allowed to create a clean energy society...as the government money grab isn't in place for that...yet...
Right now it is a wait and see what happens.

If the solid state battery makes it to the market, that will rapidly change the scenery. That is a wait and see also.

Some cybertruck experience is becoming public. Great joy to run around home, absolute pain to run long distance, especially when pulling a trailer.
 
10.4 seconds stock best on the 1/4. Still slower than a 23 year old Hayabusa.
Beyond the 1/4 it is a different story, so for the track or the mile, yep it is a monster. I ride on the street though.
I don't think any of the superbikes were really designed for 1/4 mile times....put it on a track-that's where it lives the happiest I'd wager-much like all the other street legal superbikes...

I personally don't set my standards on 1/4 mile or 0-60 times....
 
I don't think any of the superbikes were really designed for 1/4 mile times....put it on a track-that's where it lives the happiest I'd wager-much like all the other street legal superbikes...

I personally don't set my standards on 1/4 mile or 0-60 times....
I don't ride track anymore, feel like a grandpa when I look around. My last track session, I went down at 142mph, because I could not get around the two front runners, 21 years old, they touched and went down right in front of me.

The crowd on the drag strip seems a bit older, but I don't do that either.

Capability of going beyond 140mph (1/4 mile) has no value to me on the street. Very impressive on paper though.

What I enjoy is torque in 6th gear and the comfort the bike gives me. The Busa has always fitted me perfectly.

Best track bike is a well used 1000 Gixxer, with a bit of restoration, but then we get old.
 
Right now it is a wait and see what happens.

If the solid state battery makes it to the market, that will rapidly change the scenery. That is a wait and see also.

Some cybertruck experience is becoming public. Great joy to run around home, absolute pain to run long distance, especially when pulling a trailer.

I saw 2 Cybertrucks(and 3 Tesla cars) on an open trailer on I-81 in Va last week.
They are the first and only Cybertrucks that I've seen in person.
 
I also saw a Tesla car on I-81 near the
I-77 entrance not long after, in the sw Va area...and it had Ontario plates!
No way I'de want to travel that kind of distance in an EV, and Hope you make it to the charging stations in time, and hope that they are working when you get there.
I'll pass.
 
I also saw a Tesla car on I-81 near the
I-77 entrance not long after, in the sw Va area...and it had Ontario plates!
No way I'de want to travel that kind of distance in an EV, and Hope you make it to the charging stations in time, and hope that they are working when you get there.
I'll pass.
I have a brother in law who is a Tesla die hard, visits me twice a year driving 2,000 miles from AZ to NC. He breaks it up in 500 miles a day with one 30 minute stop for the day. Seems to get by just fine, but I guess when you are a die hard, you make things work.
 
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