250th Mass Shooting in 215 Days

It's interesting. I read an article once about American Foreign policy and how it's colonial origins retard development in the countries we are "helping". Generally, in a given culture people are equal technologically. So, but whatever means there emerges a ruling group. If they are the equal of their fellow countryman, they must work with them to consolidate power. However if they are vastly more technologically advanced than their countryman - they can dominate and exploit. America comes in, choses a side and then makes that side superior to the other and the exploitation starts. If the ruling party did not have the technological advantage, they would be forced to include the masses or end up headless. The result of this is that much of the 3rd world is completely disfunctional and permanently at war.

I know I packed a lot into that and made some big logical leaps! Lol! But we look at cultures and think they are inherently inferior to us when it's actually much more complicated. Imagine if France had backed a dictator in this country in the 1700?
 
fallenarch said:
It's interesting. I read an article once about American Foreign policy and how it's colonial origins retard development in the countries we are "helping". Generally, in a given culture people are equal technologically. So, but whatever means there emerges a ruling group. If they are the equal of their fellow countryman, they must work with them to consolidate power. However if they are vastly more technologically advanced than their countryman - they can dominate and exploit. America comes in, choses a side and then makes that side superior to the other and the exploitation starts. If the ruling party did not have the technological advantage, they would be forced to include the masses or end up headless. The result of this is that much of the 3rd world is completely disfunctional and permanently at war.

I know I packed a lot into that and made some big logical leaps! Lol! But we look at cultures and think they are inherently inferior to us when it's actually much more complicated. Imagine if France had backed a dictator in this country in the 1700?
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Could have been a big difference if France backed someone in that time. They owned Haiti for some time.

In the American revolution the British were probably much more technically advanced that the colonists. I think it was the first instance of guerilla warfare on the colonist side that won out.
 
To an Native American no one owned anything, they were true socialist. When we say we bought Manhattan for beads, the Natives would say a white man walked up and gave them some beads for friendship. Natives assumed that settlers would use the land efficiently. But it is a myth that the Natives rolled over and gave up without a fight. They were a formidable enemy and for most of the wars had a kill advantage to their enemy. They were done in simply by the fact that nomadic cultures have relatively low populations - they were out numbered.

Look at a map of this country and most every road, state, river, etc has a Native name. This is proof that for a long time, settlers agreed that it was "Native Lands". It was not until the 1900 and the idea of Manifest Destiny that Native were vilified and killed off.
 
fallenarch said:
To an Native American no one owned anything, they were true socialist. When we say we bought Manhattan for beads, the Natives would say a white man walked up and gave them some beads for friendship. Natives assumed that settlers would use the land efficiently. But it is a myth that the Natives rolled over and gave up without a fight. They were a formidable enemy and for most of the wars had a kill advantage to their enemy. They were done in simply by the fact that nomadic cultures have relatively low populations - they were out numbered.

Look at a map of this country and most every road, state, river, etc has a Native name. This is proof that for a long time, settlers agreed that it was "Native Lands". It was not until the 1900 and the idea of Manifest Destiny that Native were vilified and killed off.
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Agreed Manhattan is a great example of that...
 
08BusaKY said:
Could have been a big difference if France backed someone in that time. They owned Haiti for some time.

In the American revolution the British were probably much more technically advanced that the colonists. I think it was the first instance of guerilla warfare on the colonist side that won out.
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It was mainly the English under estimating the colonists combined with them not feeling the colonies were that important. Remember at that time the English Empire was worldwide. The English felt Asia was richer in almost everything but wood. I saw a map of the east coast from 1600 and it was completely forested clear over to the Appalachian Mts. That means all the clear areas you see for farms, roads, cities, etc. were cut since then.
 
fallenarch said:
It was mainly the English under estimating the colonists combined with them not feeling the colonies were that important. Remember at that time the English Empire was worldwide. The English felt Asia was richer in almost everything but wood. I saw a map of the east coast from 1600 and it was completely forested clear over to the Appalachian Mts. That means all the clear areas you see for farms, roads, cities, etc. were cut since then.
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I can't dispute that without looking it up. I thought is was the Brits that owned most of the territory (even Hong Kong). But I don't know more than a 5th grader without looking it up.

It has been a long time since I finished my highest grade of 7th and part of eighth. I did retain a lot of that and more was learned afterward when I was out of school. I got my GED at 35.
 
The saying "The sun never sets on the British Empire" was true. For a time the British were the dominant economic, cultural and military global force. It was inevitable that it would collapse, but the influence lives on. If the British government thought there were resources to be exploited in the Americas they would have fought harder.
 
Mr Brown said:
My pointing out of Ohio being an open carry state was in response to 08's comment about response time and private citizen involvement. I was saying that allowing people to carry firearms doesn't necessarily mean people are, or that those who are will engage.
I didn't think training should be required for gun ownership, I think it should be taught to everyone, in school. A basic firearm safety and training class should be a part of every district's curriculum. And national service should be compulsory too, but I digress.....
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I must’ve mixed up your responses with someone else’s then, so my bad dude. I can get on board with firearms safety in schools. My high school actually has a trap shooting team now which I think is awesome.
 
StreetShark said:
I must’ve mixed up your responses with someone else’s then, so my bad dude. I can get on board with firearms safety in schools. My high school actually has a trap shooting team now which I think is awesome.
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That is awesome! The local Jr college has a trap team that was nationally ranked at one point, not sure if they still are.
No worries on the confusion, it happens....
 
Cantab said:
Damn, so much for going out to have a relaxing meal.....having to be 'on gaurd'
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The 2nd amendment was needed because the southern states were worried the non-slave states would outlaw weapons in an effort to end slavery. The founders were satisfied that by separating powers no one would get enough power to go against the people. There is a lot of propaganda on this issue, but the 2nd was to get southern states to ratify the constitution.
 
fallenarch said:
The 2nd amendment was needed because the southern states were worried the non-slave states would outlaw weapons in an effort to end slavery. The founders were satisfied that by separating powers no one would get enough power to go against the people. There is a lot of propaganda on this issue, but the 2nd was to get southern states to ratify the constitution.
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Fear of insurrection was certainly part of the rationale for the slave states to ratify the 2nd amendment, but I don't think that's the only reason it's there.
 
fallenarch said:
The 2nd amendment was needed because the southern states were worried the non-slave states would outlaw weapons in an effort to end slavery. The founders were satisfied that by separating powers no one would get enough power to go against the people. There is a lot of propaganda on this issue, but the 2nd was to get southern states to ratify the constitution.
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The constitution was already ratified by the nine states needed to make it law before the bill of rights was written. The second amendment was written to guarantee that citizens wouldn’t fall victim to a tyrannical government or to a government that wouldn’t or couldn’t defend them from invasions from other countries. It had nothing to do with slavery. That’s what the Huffington post wants you to believe. They want you to think the second amendment was created out of evil and isn’t necessary in today’s time.
 
Mr Brown said:
Fear of insurrection was certainly part of the rationale for the slave states to ratify the 2nd amendment, but I don't think that's the only reason it's there.
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there is a great book on the 2nd bu a dude named Thom Hartman. yes he is a lib but it is eye opening. I have fact checked a lot of it but I admit there is some conjecture there.

if states feared a federal power, they would not have given up the real weapons of war to federal control.
 
I don’t understand the paranoia of being shot for no reason. I know it happens but your odds of dying on a bike are probably much higher or even in your car. This Country is an experiment of mixed culture/race/origin that no other can compare to and I think we are doing ok (easy for me to say as a white man).
 
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