A few [no doubt] trivial questions.

Timz0r

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Hey everyone. I ride an '09 Silver 'Busa. It has 17,500km on it. I bought it when it had around 6,000km last year. I ride it a lot. I ride it fast, but not hard. If I'm going to pass someone on the highway, I don't bang and smash through gears (although I am tempted quite often), but instead, I roll on the throttle in 5th or 6th and soon enough I'm well ahead of them. I take good care of it; I don't ride it in the rain if I can help it, I don't rev the p*** out of it while in town, and I am on top of the maintenance as per the Owner's Manual. This is my third bike in ten years, but my first "superbike".

Now for my questions:

1) It's been 4,750km since my last oil change. The manual states that I should be changing it every 6,000km. I check the oil religiously. Today, while checking the oil, I let it warm up while I put my gear on, then I clicked it off and let it sit for about a minute. I stood her up straight and saw that the oil is right about halfway between the empty and full marks. It generally favors being closer to the full mark. Is this something to be concerned about? If I check the oil when she's cold, it's slightly above the full mark. Not sure if that makes a difference.

2) When I first start the bike, she idles fairly roughly. If I hold the clutch in, it's less noticeable. If I release the clutch, she makes an almost slight grinding sound. This persists until she gets to operating temperature, which for me is always just a hair under 50%. Is that normal? I read about a few issues affecting the clutches in K8 and some K9 models. Could mine be one of those affected? Also, she had a strange smell coming from her clutch cover area after getting home from a calm ride the other day. I got stuck in a light shower, so I dropped her into Mode C and just sauntered home. The smell seems to be gone now, so I'm thinking it was something that got splashed onto the radiator that's since burned off. Or could it be a premonition of evil s*** to come?

3) Sometimes while riding down the road behind an elderly citizen in his or her Toyota Matrix doing 30km/h in a 70km/h zone, I get a little antsy. When this happens, I will sometimes swerve the bike in a somewhat playful fashion back and forth from yellow line, to white line, and then back to the center. I'll repeat this process as my ADHD dictates, maybe once every ten or twenty seconds. This prevents me from blowing past them on one wheel (foreshadowing to my next question!) at 200km/h. Now, is the swerving back and forth on a bike this heavy harmful? I mean, they're designed to lean, aren't they? The reason I ask is because a guy I was out riding with who has more experience than me claimed it is. Advice?

4) To wheelie or not to wheelie: that is the final question. I used to do wheelies on my 600 Gixxer. A lot. Like, almost every time I got on a straight stretch on a fairly depopulated road. I didn't hold them for long, maybe 5-10 seconds. I know that performing a long wheelie can deprive the engine of essential fluids. However, the 'Busa is so heavy, it just doesn't seem right to wheelie her. She's so damned beefy! I know I could do it, but I'm still in that, "I want to keep everything as mint as possible", stage. If you guys think it's a bad idea, I'll trust the experts' opinions.

I think that about covers it for now. I'm sure I'll have more questions as time goes by, though. Any advice is much appreciated. Cheers! :beerchug:
 
One more question, already! Haha. Is it a bad idea to top up my oil with a different brand? I used Suzuki Synthetic 10W40 for the last oil change, but picked up some AMSOIL Synthetic 10W40 really cheap today. Thought I'd ask before I topped up the bike.
 
In responser to your inquiry...

#1 Stick to the manual and you will be good.

#2 Typical Suzuki noises, the smell, I haven't a clue, probably dirty water on your hot engine.

#3 Don't be that PIA behind me. I'll make your life miserable. You want to tempt fate and confuse an already
nervous driver...keep up your little dance behind one of them. Just pass and move on. As far as "being bad or harmful" tell your "more experienced" friend to STFU & mind his own business.

#4 Wheeling a Hayabusa is only different from your 600 in terms that it's heavier and will come up from the throttle a whole bunch easier. Finding the balance point will be a bit more of a challenge, maybe your "experienced amigo" could direct you in the finer points of wheeling. :whistle:
 
Thanks for the reply! Let me clarify my swerving question: I don't ride the elderly person's bottom while doing this. I generally hang back two to three car lengths, or more. I've honestly tried NOT doing it, but I find it so hard not to, hehe. Kind of sad, since I'm 27. I did it one day behind a police car without thinking, just a few little zips back and forth. He didn't seem to mind, and I don't do it with the intention of annoying the driver ahead of me. I'm perfectly fine going 30km/h... it just feels so wrong! ;3
 
1) follow manual

2) have dealer check and make sure you don't have clutch bolts backing out, more than likely you don't

3) You're just embarrassing your friend. Stop it. The bike can take everything but you kissing the car in front of you

4) Take the bike up to 4K and twist the throttle :laugh: It's the landings that kill fork seals. These are big girls brother :whistle:
 
One more question, already! Haha. Is it a bad idea to top up my oil with a different brand? I used Suzuki Synthetic 10W40 for the last oil change, but picked up some AMSOIL Synthetic 10W40 really cheap today. Thought I'd ask before I topped up the bike.
Bonus question eh :laugh: Not an oil expert, I don't personally change up on oil.

My question to you. What year is your bike, how many miles are on her, and why are you adding oil ?
 
Amsoil is great oil, and it may smooth out some of your clutch issues, especially when compared to dino oil. It's all I run in all my bikes. I notice that my clutch starts to feel funnier as i get closer to oil change time; i'd recommend you go ahead and change it.

Remember that you have a big bright headlight, swerving back and forth may signal danger to other drivers, so if it's bothering your riding buds I'd knock it off when in traffic. And, if you should happen to do that on a bad surface (water, gravel, animal) you might get more than you reckon for.
 
I prefer not to mix oils. Even if changing oil types I usually do a "flush" on the engine before adding the new type of oil. But that's just me, I'm a big stickler about oil...full synthetic every 1500 miles.

I am definitely no oil analysis expert, but we were taught back in the day (25 years ago) not to mix oil viscosity or brands unless you are on the road and need it. Obviously mixed oils are better than no oil or not enough oil.

I know oil has changed a lot in the recent years, but I have always been a firm believer in this rule. If it were me, I would purchase a quart of the oil that is in the bike until your next oil change, then use the different oil. But again, that's just me.


PS: I don't think a Hayabusa is capable of doing a wheelie
 
I prefer not to mix oils. Even if changing oil types I usually do a "flush" on the engine before adding the new type of oil. But that's just me, I'm a big stickler about oil...full synthetic every 1500 miles.

I am definitely no oil analysis expert, but we were taught back in the day (25 years ago) not to mix oil viscosity or brands unless you are on the road and need it. Obviously mixed oils are better than no oil or not enough oil.

I know oil has changed a lot in the recent years, but I have always been a firm believer in this rule. If it were me, I would purchase a quart of the oil that is in the bike until your next oil change, then use the different oil. But again, that's just me.


PS: I don't think a Hayabusa is capable of doing a wheelie

They're the same weight and viscosity. Just one is made by AMSOIL, the other by Suzuki. It's supposed to rain here all weekend, so I'll be changing my oil. I'm in the same boat as you though -- something about mixing brands just seems wrong to me, even though my local dealer claims it's fine. :T
 
BTW: I think it would be pretty hard to "hurt" a Busa by the way, it's a tank. I wouldn't mix oils either, just change it. How can you not wheelie a Busa?
 
BTW: How can you not wheelie a Busa?

It is way too heavy a bike to wheelie, I think it is practically impossible.

It needs a lower gear, thinner oil, lighter front end, smaller front tire, and maybe a slight bump in the road to be able to do a wheelie.
 
It is way too heavy a bike to wheelie, I think it is practically impossible.

It needs a lower gear, thinner oil, lighter front end, smaller front tire, and maybe a slight bump in the road to be able to do a wheelie.

Practically impossible to wheelie a 'busa'? ???

I'm 270 lbs and at WOT in second gear I don't even have to work to get the front wheel up and then can keep it up with no problem.

Mine's not stretched, turboed or bored & has stock sprockets (although I do have it dyno tuned and aftermarket exhaust for a couple more ponies than stock).

--Sky
 
your oil could be reading low if you had just ran the engine. the oil will be pumped up into the head and will flow back down to the bottom in a few min. i usually check the oil either cold or when it has sat for a few minutes.

i never mix oil. period.
look around here, and you will find guys that have shredded the side of the tire from leaning these beasts over. the busa is more than capable of leaning as far as your cajones will alow you, and probably farther. i bet that there is only about 10% of the members on this board that can actually push the handling limits of the bike. basically if you can keep the rubber side down, you can rarely harm the bike.

oh, and she cant wheelie...needs assistance from rider...like pulling back on handlebars and dumping the clutch.... im just playin, please dont go out and try that. i dont want anyone getting hurt.
 
Guys outlaw is joking!!!
He's posted videos of himself I believe wheelying all the way down a drag strip.
That was you wasnt it?

And Sixpack577 our resident geriatric wheely king has posted vods of himself walking that dog for quite a ways.

So chillax :)
 
It is way too heavy a bike to wheelie, I think it is practically impossible.

It needs a lower gear, thinner oil, lighter front end, smaller front tire, and maybe a slight bump in the road to be able to do a wheelie.

Are we talking about the same bike? ???
 
Guys outlaw is joking!!!
He's posted videos of himself I believe wheelying all the way down a drag strip.
That was you wasnt it?

And Sixpack577 our resident geriatric wheely king has posted vods of himself walking that dog for quite a ways.

So chillax :)

Geriatric...:rofl:
I'm with Outlawbusa on this one, no how, no way:whistle:
 
My gen2 has seen many a 1/4 to two mile 10 and 11 o'clock wheelie.
It only has 16k miles on it in just over 3 years(bought new as leftover in May 09, and don't get to ride as often as I'de like).
It's had full synthetic in it since 2500 miles. The clutch is original and works as if it's new.
The engine runs and sounds great, even now with the limiters off and rev limit raised in ecu editor for about half the time I've owned it. These engines are extremely well built.
There were/are certain bikes that don't like long wheelies and the engines can starve for oil when in a high wheelie(early zx11's are a good example), but the busa isn't one of them. Anyone who disagrees hasn't seen what mine can do...and still run great. If anyone wants to argue that mine won't last as long as their garage queen, well, it probably won't, since I ride it for all it's worth.
ANY motorcycle will wheelie just fine, some are more fun than others. Some bikes just seem more impressive because people are mislead to belive that they can't be wheelied...like the busa.
As far as leaning it, same story. It won't harm it at all, get your knee on the road. Another thing the busa supposedly won't do. Myself and many others can disprove that one too.

As for Outlawbusa, he may have even wheelied his before:whistle:
 
^^^ videos or it hasn't happened


Yes I'm too lazy to search :moon:

It's in the videos section under stunts, and "busa does wheelie" on youtube. Doesn't show up in search here anymore.
The stretch they are in is 1/2 mile. My gen2 was also completely stock at the time.
Video is nothing special, just random footage by my friend's wife. Posted to show that a stock busa will wheelie just as any other bike.
Outlawbusa has some good videos in another section too, but I'm not sure where.:beerchug:

And it's not hard on fork seals when you set the front down Easy.
Sure I've had a few hard drops, but as a majority the front tire screeches or puffs smoke as it's eased back onto the road. Just takes practice.

As when I originally posted this a couple years ago, it's to show it can be done, not to show off.
Done for the fun of it!

does Wheelie - YouTube[/url]
 
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