If they don't respect the American flag, they shouldn't be taking American currency. If they are so proud of their country, why isn't their store in it?
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Why so far? Laughlin is five miles. Vegas 90.Hey if I come out, we can ride over to Reno and have some fun.... got room for 1?
Will go the back route too!
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razorshark
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damn skippy brother! I would have done the same thing...if I was a civilian or not on camera.
You gotta love the VET that still believes in the freedom they supplied us with thru Blood & Guts!
Thanks for the link. I thought it was only correct to share the same post/pole only if it's a U.S. state or city. Just couldn't remember. Link confirmed it.
johndoe
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The USA flag should be on top and I'm a army vet and would never fly a flag above the US flag but America stands for FREEDOM and shouldn't he have the right to do as he pleases in America as long as he isn't hurting anyone. We can't and shouldn't force religion on someone. We can just choose not to patronize his store.
When flown w/ another nation's flag, the U.S. flag flies alone. With the other nations flag flying alone at the same height.
EtrnlSoldier
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Agreed. The old vet is in the wrong on this one. Although I agree with his sentiment, destroying another's property isn't the thing to do.
I too am an Army vet.
Wrong. If he is going to fly his nations flag with ours then do it right. Read #11 on proper way to display a flag
1. When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.
2. The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right [that means the viewer's left --Webmaster], and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.
3. The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. By "half-staff" is meant lowering the flag to one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff. Crepe streamers may be affixed to spear heads or flagstaffs in a parade only by order of the President of the United States.
4. When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the right of the flag of the United States (the viewer's left). When the flag is half-masted, both flags are half-masted, with the US flag at the mid-point and the other flag below.
5. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.
6. When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff.
7. When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.
8. When the flag is displayed in a manner other than by being flown from a staff, it should be displayed flat, whether indoors or out. When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window it should be displayed in the same way, that is with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. When festoons, rosettes or drapings are desired, bunting of blue, white and red should be used, but never the flag.
9. That the flag, when carried in a procession with another flag, or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag's own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.
10. The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.
11. When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace. The order of precedence for flags generally is National flags (US first, then others in alphabetical order in English), State (host state first, then others in the order of admission) and territories (Washington DC, Puerto Rico, etc.), Military (in order of establishment: Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard), then other.
12. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium on or off a podium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergyman's or speaker's right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker (to the right of the audience). Please note that the old guidelines differed from this updated and simplified one.
13. When the flag is displayed on a car, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.
14. When hung in a window, place the blue union in the upper left, as viewed from the street.
+1, and maybe the mexican guy didn't know it was wrong/illegal to do it, maybe he did but there's a chance he was just ignorant and not malice.
peace.
This is a great conversation...I'm a Marine Vietnam Vet and my first inclination when watching the film was "you the man, go for it" (especially since it happened in Reno where I live!). Upon deeper thought, wouldn't it be better to have a Spanish speaking Veteran go in the store and explain the flag protocol and how offensive it is to many citizens... to the shop owner? When the Mexican students put our flag up side down on the pole at the school site in San Diego 2 yrs ago...that was a TOTALLY DIFFERENT situation than this. We can't always settle things with brute force...sometimes human communication makes a much more meaningful impact. God Bless America and Semper Fi, Raydog
You bring up a very valid point Raydog. I am also a Marine Corps vet. I never looked at it that way. I have always been one to do what this guy did. Look at my first post on this. But now that you have made your statement I would have to agree with you. But if after the communication the situation was not remedy, then I agree burn the place down. You have opened my eyes. Thank you sir.
Grandevil
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+1,000,000!
I understand wanting to honor your heritage but it shouldn't be at the cost of insulting the country you are now living!
EtrnlSoldier
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I know all that. However, that's flag etiquette, not the law. Just like a few years back the Supreme Court decided that you can even burn a US flag, and it's a form of protected free speech.
Destroying/stealing someone else's property, even if it's an improperly displayed flag, is a crime. Improperly displaying it is not. Had the Hispanic fellows tried to take it back and the vet fought them, he could very likely have been charged with robbery, and even could have been anyway, considering the statements that he made that they "aren't getting it back" and "I want someone to fight me for it," all the while holding his favorite Ka-Bar knife. Robbery is a category A felony here in Nevada. That gets you serious prison time. The vet committed a felony. The Hispanic dudes committed no crime. In fact, displaying those flags the way they did is a protected First Amendment right.
Like I said, I agree with the sentiment, but not the actions.
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Responding to a controversy over a Mexican flag flying at a local bar, Reno police and the ACLU issued statements today emphasizing it is not illegal to fly another flag above the American flag.[/quote]
Link here.
Supergank1
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+2,000,000
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