Blanca needs HELP..

Have not been able to ride as I am only parent home but I let it idle for over 20 minutes and it never died . Typical a couple times I got a babbabbab you know just a little hiccup which has always been that way. idle even stock was never just flat and smooth . it fluctuates a bit .
Thinking about water in gas as well as pc probs but hopin that it just got wet somewhere .
HOPING !
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I am thinking the ONLY THING DIFF today from others is use of front stand during wash .
By keeping her up and level it did hold alot more water and when I finally put it down an on stand more than normal came out of bottom of fairing !


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I have serious doubts about any theories of water causing problems. I wash the daylights out of mine, have ridden in full blown monsoon type rain storms (and water gets EVERYWHERE inside) and never had so much as a hiccup. These things do not melt with water Blanca. Fuel/Air/Spark - those are your 3 items needed for spark. Pull plugs, check those for any signs of fouling, or as others have hinted at fuel could be a culprit. Run some Seafoam through a tank and see if it clears up.
 
jdsbusa I too have washed it in six mos prolly more than most do throughout.
Also ridden it thru several Florida soakers .
never any probs.
So yes I tend to regretfully agree with you .
Just strange now that she sits idlin doesn't sputter or die as earlier ?

really need to do some laps around my hood for awhile though and see if it stills persists.
 
Could it be a faulty Throttle Position Sensor? Sounds exactly like what happened to my stock 08... ???
 
Sounds to me that there is a PC issue... I had a Bazzaz unit act up and drove me nutz for awhile. Pretty sure if it was bad gas it would act up with more throttle too... not just idle.
 
last night the Cuban Dragon did catch me looking at Demmyms Sex Symbol thread and I paid dearly for it...maybe Blanca is a little jealous as well ?

There ya goe, I hope you get her fixed.G-L
 
No water in airbox or near coils.
All is dry.
Plugs look ok..

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BlancaBusa,

I had the same problem with the same symptoms,,, i removed PCV, did the pair valve mod,,, i even replaced the injectors and checked all the wiring... only when i checked the HID connetions and placed the igniters as far as possible from the dashand chasis it went away! i know it sounds crazy but it worked for me,,,you can check it without removing the face...
 
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Related to the HIDs....

Hmmmmm...

Dont know enough to know but I dont doubt anything at this point.
Gonna try to go for a short ride in the morn and see how she acts.

Thanks for the tip Fadii..
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i wash my bike all the time on a front and rear stand with 0 issues. i wouldn't dwell on this possibility, in my opinion. i would start small and drain that tank bone dry and put some fresh gas in her. good luck!
 
Maybe oger will chime in on the HID idea. Do the bailist emit EM? Also I agree with the water not being the problem. Turns out the tank funnles all the water right between your legs. Yes your pants may be water resistant but it still gets cold. The mist from ridding in the rain can get places the hose couldn't dream of.
 
if we are wagering bets, ill put a dollar on the power commander, when in doubt, and you have a piggy back fueling system, always remove it first to see.
 
You have 10 people telling you it it is the PC, I think it would be safe to say that this is the problem bro!
 
thats where i would start, much more likelyhood of a power commander failing then your Suzuki stuff failing.
 
I'm believing, just a little uneasy about 'disconnecting' it.
I can see the before and after pics of install and the lower injectors it references on PC site.
Not too certain once I disconnect plug from lower injectors which I assume to be PC V plug which one I unplug from where and put back.
Also uncertain about TPS as I dont see the same red wire splicer as depicted on PC site in instructions or in manual.
The place who did work must have made a different connection.

I am gonna post some good pics in a bit so someone can photoshop it for me and tell me which plugs go back and how I would restore factory TPS in order to eliminate PC from the loop.

Thanks


Question though, once removed and if it is PC how will bike run with other mods I have done ? Will it be able to be ridden and just revert back to oem program ? Full exhaust and others without PC ?

Does xtre play a part into any of this or can that be left alone for now ?


A note on the plugs...nobody told me to check em. Only reason I did was because last night when taking off the first bolt from tank the GD washer came off and slipped right into oblivion...:banghead::banghead: I cant put enough bangheads here for that and all were asleep so like the dude in 'Platoon' I had to take the pain and keep quiet...:banghead: So by process of searching I wound up having to remove airbox and got to the point to where coils were starin me in the face. The washer went all the way down and sat right next to one. Happy and lucky I found it but it was a one hour delay and I took it as a sign to go to bed.
 
Blanca,

I am going to assume your bike ran flawless before the wash. Is that a yes?
I'm going to take that bet. Plugs look good. I thought a sooty plug and that PC messed things up, but that PC is not the problem. So, I assume once again, before the wash, this bike ran crispy and all that good stuff. Is that too, a yes?

I run a fuse on the hot side of the piggy, then I run the hot to the bike. If I have a piggy problem, I remove the fuse, this shuts down the injectors. See, it's kind of simple, Blanca, you are right removing all the injector PC signals off the throttle body. And if your remove the ground thinking you have the PC/piggy disconnected, you forgot the ground resistance in the injector wires you tie into. If you had the hot removed, this removes all the 4 signals and ground is ground. It will not matter now, because there is no resistance at the injector. Therefore, ground is ground, no harm no foul on that end of the wire. But on the on other end of that wire, the PC being in the middle. Here, think a simple resistor from radio shack is one wire on one end, the Pc (resistor) in the middle, the red (wire) is the other side of the Pc box. Forget the injector wires for now.

Can you see what will happen with the combination of the 2 differences of removing either wire off the Pc? Setting up that one fuse for quick diagnosing? This way, you can quickly tell if you have a bad PC or a bad ECU/injector/fuel deliver kind of diagnosis. It gets worse chasing your tail you still have the pig in a resistance mode trying to find a washing incident dripping on your PC box.

I find that a kitchen product, Glad brand Press'n'Seal, can cover parts that you do not want to get wet. The tack on the one side eventually will stick to the surface of the part. I'm warning anyone if you cover a paint job, leave it for months in the sun kind of warning? The nice part is that gas does not eat at it, nor oil. It's microwaveable, so it can take the bike's heat like the other plastic parts do. Cover PC that now that is exposed to water. When you wash the bike again, see if the next time you did not get water in the diagnostic scenario.

So, did the water not act as a resistor on the outside shield of the PC unit? If you think radio wave, you stumble over that water as the wave kind of spikes over the water drops, you get that spike like if you run a digital camera close to the bike's telemetry, you hear that spike and then see blocks of the old video you are copying over come into view as the noise reference is what I think it is.

So, I would not chase a thing if you said yes to the two questions above. It's the water... Is my guess.
 
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Ok got some pics. Before I try to eliminate it tell me if I am right and please comment on if I am looking at correct area for TPS ?

Yes 2Busa bike ran fine before the wash.

Y'all take a look and I will check back later.
Gonna do family and race thing as I got stood up on my 500 tix...

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Not sure what is going on with the throttle position plug area... looks fishy from what I can remember it looking like. On the injector plugs you have the wrong end marked as going back.... need the factory side of the plug to go back in. You just labeled the pc plug in the pic... wish I was closer to help.
 
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