Caps quick thoughts on Gen 3
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Tetsuo1000
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Italian horses are smaller that Japanese horses.Just saying, but the V4 Panigale costing $28,000 and making 214hp is slower on the 1/4 mile and 0-60 than the gen1 Hayabusa and it weighs almost 150 lbs less.
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Now put both bikes on a superbike track where the Duke was meant to be....
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LOL, their food is the best and their bikes just as pretty as their girls. They are expensive to maintain though, the girls I mean.
Did you see the video I posted where a worn out 2005 Gixxer was faster than the new Duke? That is comparing apples to apples, the Busa is an orange.
Yep, saw it...we were talking about the Hayabusa verses the Duck.
The GSXR in question was arguably the best one they ever made...the one they based the GSX and new Katana on...that's saying something.
There is one guy who posts amazing videos of the Busa on the track. He seems to dust just about everything. But sure the Hayabusa is too heavy for a track bike and the wheelbase is too long. Why compare it to the Duke on a track?
In a way 1k bikes remind me of my venture back into dirt bikes after many years. I had to get back in shape physically to quite some extent to handle the bike really well.
To make the point, you can choose any 1k bike you wish, and I will leave it in the dust without even trying on my dirt bike on a track of my choice. Add some mud crossings for the fun.
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That's @Ac41 he can ride the beast...
We were talking the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times being better for the Hayabusa compared to a Panigale which is 150lbs lighter..that's when I said put them both on a superbike track and see where the Panigale shines. Even in that video they figured the rear spring was holding the Duck back from going faster.
For certain, the conditioning of superbike and motoGP riders is a huge thing...they are like super models in their diet and fitness regimes.
Superbikes are demanding to ride to any degree of competitiveness. I raced open class superbike for 3 yrs back in the late '80s and was in great army shape. Many times I was completely wiped after races and in those days I was almost extremely fit.
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The market has moved on. This is not 2008 anymore. Emmisions have taken a center stage. The 1000 cc category is the top of the like now and they get all the newer tech and power.
Kawasaki with their forced induction revolutionized power figures and the newer Ducatis and BMWs are modern marvel.
Hayabusa could have matched or beaten either with increased displacmemt or forced induction. It got none, simply because the market is not big enough to justify the outlay on R&D.
So Suzuki did the next best thing. It updated the electronics since the Gen 2 had none and tweaked the engine because after 13 years something had to be written on the brochure about the engine.
I will not be surprised if this bike is actually quiker in performance to our Gen2. After all it has all new internals and is 13 years younger. But I will also not be disappointed if it is not.
Suzuki should have done more, sure but to make a bike with the biggest bragging rights in 2021 is not as easy as it was in 2008 when Suzuki just basically increased the cc from 1299 to 1340. Plus no one would buy a 30,000 USD Suzuki Hayabusa with a 1440 cc engine and 220 bhp with updated electronics. Suzuki knew this.
For me, this is not the new Hayabusa and I will hold on to my Gen 2 longer.
This could be any new 2021 sports tourer from Suzuki but Suzuki should have killed the Hayabusa and launched this as a new 2021 sports tourer with whatever name they please.
Kawasaki with their forced induction revolutionized power figures and the newer Ducatis and BMWs are modern marvel.
Hayabusa could have matched or beaten either with increased displacmemt or forced induction. It got none, simply because the market is not big enough to justify the outlay on R&D.
So Suzuki did the next best thing. It updated the electronics since the Gen 2 had none and tweaked the engine because after 13 years something had to be written on the brochure about the engine.
I will not be surprised if this bike is actually quiker in performance to our Gen2. After all it has all new internals and is 13 years younger. But I will also not be disappointed if it is not.
Suzuki should have done more, sure but to make a bike with the biggest bragging rights in 2021 is not as easy as it was in 2008 when Suzuki just basically increased the cc from 1299 to 1340. Plus no one would buy a 30,000 USD Suzuki Hayabusa with a 1440 cc engine and 220 bhp with updated electronics. Suzuki knew this.
For me, this is not the new Hayabusa and I will hold on to my Gen 2 longer.
This could be any new 2021 sports tourer from Suzuki but Suzuki should have killed the Hayabusa and launched this as a new 2021 sports tourer with whatever name they please.
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LOL I was only completely wiped once after a race. Chased two 21 year olds who touched just before braking at the end of the straight. They went down, I could not get past and went down at 142mph. WV Shenandoah 2014, Was my last track day. I call the Busa an old man’s sports bike and enjoy it more than anything else on wheels. Apparently the deer sometimes run across that track during a race.
The Gen 2 may be quicker both stock, but with the amount of motor work, if they are both uncorked, I would really be surprised if the Gen3 is not the winner. I guess it is wait and see.
Racing is hard on the body, my hats off to those who compete.
I was semi-sponsored by Suzuki, they provided a percentage of the cost for the bike, I was able to tap into the pit crew of the pros (which was awesome) and they provided tires and all the maintenance....
I took delivery of my GSXR race bike which came without mirrors, lights, speedo and was fitted with a Ti Yosh exhaust. The bike was seriously light and made lots of power for it's day. Suzuki also covered part of my race gear (helmet, boots, suit and gloves), all I had to do was go to a Suzuki dealer for them.
I also got invites to all the new bike launches and was allowed to flog them around a track...I was unable to get to the Hayabusa launch as I was deployed at the time.
I did pretty good in the standings but wasn't able to get to many races due to being deployed quite a bit. My brother thought I should give up the military and go racing full time but I'm sure glad I didn't go that route.
I sure wish I had these same perks today however.....
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Very good points. Everyone wants H2 performance for $12,000. I've had 3 gen 2 Busas and I am so excited about the styling, such as finally addressing the tail and brake lights. I couldn't care less if it has 400hp or not because I can modify it how I want. The bike is going to look wonderful with some standard mods.
JeffSyh
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That came down to suspension set up, once the ducati got the updated rear shock and dialed in properly. The gixxer had upgraded suspension and was more fined tuned to the guys riding it.
E Zurcher
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Bragging rights cracks me up. So you have a checkbook and bought the biggest baddest bike you could afford. It really means nothing. I'm looking forward to the first true critical review of this bike. I'm betting the reviews will support Suzuki's efforts to improve the bike. If they do, it's mine. Even if it's equal to the Gen 2, the safety, electronics and the cruise control may be enough to sway me.
Dopey
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Just go ahead and get one now cause I'm sure the reviews will back it up
E Zurcher
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Yep, next decision is do I keep, sell or trade my Gen 2. She's served me well and I have a son who wants to ride. I'll start him on the ZRX1200R and go from thereJust go ahead and get one now cause I'm sure the reviews will back it up
I’m too lazy to read the last 4 pages right now, but in my case, I traded my 600 for the busa because the busa felt like a Cadillac in comparison and the power was just a nice and addicting bonus. I couldn’t stand the vibration on the 600 and only put 3000 miles in a little less than 2 years. I don’t care about more power, so if this new busa was cheaper, I would’ve already put a deposit on one, because I like what they did. All that being said, I’m not giving Suzuki that much credit for “listening to us”. I don’t believe those factory “helibars” are there because they wanted to give us that............. I think that was changed because that’s the only way they could squeeze old B-King master cylinders without hitting the dash panels. Trust me, I tried one of those MC On my gen2 and didn’t fit at all. Lol!
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