Chris Green... 15 minutes...

[jellyrug]

No kidding, what an awful reprensentation of this country.
Her word salad speeches for preschoolers...let alone her policies.

Amazing that you and I can see that, but no one else is concerned about her creating a sound policy and making it happen through managing 15 cabinet executives and making sure they deliver the goods.

Might as well vote for a coconut tree.

The debate will be interesting, I hope ABC is fair. I hope Trump sticks to real issues, based on facts. Otherwise it may just be a meaningless haggle between the two.

 

[Red05]

Mr. NeverTrumper, I was jokin about leaving BTW.

So much has gone wrong in the past four years though, I would hate to see that escalate further. Hard to figure those who are blindfolded, but it is what it is.

I wasn’t talking about you; confident you wouldn’t do that. As far as the last 4 years, Biden inherited a pandemic nightmare and here we still are, the flag still waves. I’m not saying it’s because of anything Biden did or didn’t do, it’s because of us, the American people. We withstood Trump and Biden and whoever else half the country can hate.

 

[Red05]

Lol spoken like someone that's embarrassed because I'm paying your bills. Stop crying about people's post and spelling

You’re paying my bills? Yes, Social Security is doing that. Your incorrect grammar and use of words is your deal. I know what you intend to say, so we’ll call that good enough.

 

[Zerks]

Comparing those incidents to going to the Capitol Building and breaking in, causing damage and terror to representatives inside, to stop a certification of a presidential election is quite a stretch, that is stretched in this instance by your extreme partisanship. I’m aware that there are protests in this country. Don’t kid yourself that January 6th was just another example.

Never Trumper indeed. He has a way of getting decent people to abandone their judgment of character. Didn’t come close with me.

So... just a few years earlier when they were stomping on people heads, assaulting police with bricks and other objects, burning down people businesses and looting stores night after night in different cities around the country doing damage in the billions... and with BLM and Antifa being supported and even transported to the cities where all the destruction was taking place... like running police out of their headquarters in Minneapolis with the idiot George Floyd was made into a hero when he was just another low life scum with a criminal record... somehow Jan 6th is all you remember or care about... well... its what libtards do I guess... I bet you like that no cash bail policy crap too...

 

[Bumblebee]

So... just a few years earlier when they were stomping on people heads, assaulting police with bricks and other objects, burning down people businesses and looting stores night after night in different cities around the country doing damage in the billions... and with BLM and Antifa being supported and even transported to the cities where all the destruction was taking place... like running police out of their headquarters in Minneapolis with the idiot George Floyd was made into a hero when he was just another low life scum with a criminal record... somehow Jan 6th is all you remember or care about... well... its what libtards do I guess... I bet you like that no cash bail policy crap too...

George Floyd may have been all that but remember, he died in police custody in front of a bunch of witnesses....don't forget that either....

We've been through all this before though....

If you look at riots in other countries such as Hong Kong (amongst many others), the US protests pale in comparison....these protests turned in riots and it wasn't only a certain group of people involved, make no mistake, there were people from both sides of the political spectrum participating.

Jan 6th was what it was.....an insurrection egged on by the then sitting president...he whipped those people into a frenzy then unleashed them on the capital......and when they were unsuccessful, he professed his love for them for trying....that alone should have had him stricken from ever running for the office again......

 

[michael parris heuberger]

You forgot why the Colonies pushed back against King George and the taxes he imposed. I can only expect short term thinking from those forget that history often repeats itself.

You can't beat a manipulated voting system... The people know what they want... the elected officials are suppose to serve those that elected them. If the vote isn't transparent... if big swings in vote counts in the middle of night that have now been well documented happen. Then it is strongly suspected the vote counts were skewed. The people don't like rigged elections... 2000 Mules shows us many of the facts that show the rigged election was documented. This will never be shown in the MSM. The owner's of the MSM in this country won't allow it to be seen.

I wonder if Texas will be the first state to succeed from the USA?

George Floyd may have been all that but remember, he died in police custody in front of a bunch of witnesses....don't forget that either....

We've been through all this before though....

If you look at riots in other countries such as Hong Kong (amongst many others), the US protests pale in comparison....these protests turned in riots and it wasn't only a certain group of people involved, make no mistake, there were people from both sides of the political spectrum participating.

Jan 6th was what it was.....an insurrection egged on by the then sitting president...he whipped those people into a frenzy then unleashed them on the capital......and when they were unsuccessful, he professed his love for them for trying....that alone should have had him stricken from ever running for the office again......

Hi. If it was an insurrection it was no planed very well was it? To me I think that the FBI may have help it a long to make Trump look bad. His words made me want to over through the government and kill all. I mean words the go peasefully. That was my triger.

 

[Bumblebee]

Hi. If it was an insurrection it was no planed very well was it? To me I think that the FBI may have help it a long to make Trump look bad. His words made me want to over through the government and kill all. I mean words the go peasefully. That was my triger.

Mike, go re-watch the video......

The takeaway points are that Trump whipped the crowd into the frenzy and told them to take back the country and wanted to march with them to the capital where no police held doors open or directed people, the insurrectionists smashed their way in, injuring police on their way and were searching the building for Pelosi threatening her as they advanced...

Trump called his VP (Pence) a coward for not stopping the electoral process and the crowd started chanting "hang Pence" if they would have found him who knows what they would have done......

All the while, Trump watched and did nothing to stop it, witnesses said he was relishing in the moment enjoying himself and probably hopeful they would be successful....

Then at the end, he thanked them and professed his love......

A descriptive word comes to mind to express how many felt about this and the word is "sickening"

 

[jellyrug]

Comparing those incidents to going to the Capitol Building and breaking in, causing damage and terror to representatives inside, to stop a certification of a presidential election is quite a stretch, that is stretched in this instance by your extreme partisanship. I’m aware that there are protests in this country. Don’t kid yourself that January 6th was just another example.

Never Trumper indeed. He has a way of getting decent people to abandone their judgment of character. Didn’t come close with me.

What Trump and his gang did, leading up to and on January 6th, was and will remain bad news forever and for his legacy. At the end of the day, our justice system will decide the final outcome of this episode and that is what we will have to accept. But yes, I absolutely do not condone that in any way.

The difference between you and some of us is insight. Some of us are realistic as to what has happened to our country the past four years and where it is heading. Others have their heads in the sand. We don't listen to the political BS. We understand world economics, world socioeconomics, we understand the global effects of the world, the players, and their agendas. And, we are not willing to sacrifice our country to further leadership incompetence, and degradation. We are not willing to sacrifice this great nation, because Trump made some really bad decisions. We don't look at the Trump as a person. We look at the cabinet and its leaders of 15 executives and 10 further officials, the quality of who represent both parties right now. It is frightening to see what has happened to the Democratic party. In short, we are looking at 25 people, who will run this nation for the next four years, how they are influenced by the wealthy elite, their integrity, and most important, their competence.

The last President who really knew how to manage the 24 people reporting to him, was Reagan. No one following had that success. Kamala will not even know what I am talking about. Trump has a good chance, his only weakness is the fact that he is not a politician. The way he manages his team is they either do the job, or they get fired, which is not always the best approach. But in its way it does deliver results.

You appear to be the average Joe, not well informed, you just hate one guy, Trump; and you have no idea of how much damage has been done by the current administration. You live in your own little world, anything outside of that has no significance to you. It appears you won't be voting in this election, so at the end of the day, I guess your opinion does not really matter.

 

[Red05]

The difference between you and some of us is insight. Some of us are realistic as to what has happened to our country the past four years and where it is heading. Others have their heads in the sand. We don't listen to the political BS. We understand world economics, world socioeconomics, we understand the global effects of the world, the players, and their agendas

Lol Jelly I like you but the size of your ego doesn’t leave much room for anything else.
Opinion dressed up like knowledge is a frail argument as there is no concrete answer to those areas of thought, only theories. We can all learn from each other. It’s a wonderful thing.

 

[jellyrug]

Lol Jelly I like you but the size of your ego doesn’t leave much room for anything else.
Opinion dressed up like knowledge is a frail argument as there is no concrete answer to those areas of thought, only theories. We can all learn from each other. It’s a wonderful thing.

So if we are not stupid, then in your eyes we have an ego?

Like to explore those items, you deem dressed up like knowledge? Like to talk about concrete facts, rather than what you deem as theories?

Would welcome an intellectual discussion, with someone who has adequate background. You up for it?

Could become a very lengthy thread, we can include some post-grad business school studies as well. Many of them in print. Could be entertaining, or informative, should you know how the world works.

Let's kick off with the first item, all of them are relative to why the November election is so important.

Why is our debt clock running at 35 trillion a bit concerning, but not a crises? How does that tie in with the US$ being the world's reserve currency, and why is it still the main world reserve currency? What is the objective of Brexit? Why?

 

[sixpack577]

If the dollar devalues even 10% overnight...it's done.
Reserve currency or not, and the printing more just to cover daily intrest, along with China/a frenemy, holding alot of the debt, it becomes/has been a very concerning situation, to not if, but When the bubble busts...which will take down wallstreet, and the the rest of the world's economies will follow suit.
It makes the 'conspiracys' of a one world currency, and united governments a little easier to comprehend...but a great restructuring or 'great reset' would have to take place first.
The fallout would also be immense, and on every level.
These things alone make me think that no one in the U.S government surely can be so ignorant, and outright stupid, but rather a long term plan to sink the ship is getting closer to it's end.
It's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[Red05]

So if we are not stupid, then in your eyes we have an ego?

Come on Jelly there's a universe of possibility between being stupid and having an ego. With that simplistic response, it seems I may have struck a nerve; didn't intend it. Many great leaders had big egos. The rest of your post is true, but every administration including Trump's has been guilty. In a recent post I discussed the importance of the value of the American dollar. Where in the discussion of who should prevail in November does this predicament fit? Please don't say Trump has a business background. His record is far from exemplary. Check the market today on DJT. His acumen is in deception.

 

[jellyrug]

Come on Jelly there's a universe of possibility between being stupid and having an ego. With that simplistic response, it seems I may have struck a nerve; didn't intend it. Many great leaders had big egos. The rest of your post is true, but every administration including Trump's has been guilty. In a recent post I discussed the importance of the value of the American dollar. Where in the discussion of who should prevail in November does this predicament fit? Please don't say Trump has a business background. His record is far from exemplary. Check the market today on DJT. His acumen is in deception.

There I was, thinking you are going to engage and answer those questions, so we can talk about the important stuff.

At least Six gave it a shot.

I will answer your question though. It is not a business background which will save the Dollar. The policies of the Democrats ( not financial ) has a good chance of damaging it though.

 

[sixpack577]

Bidenomics shut down most U.S. oil drilling.
What did that do?
It drove up oil prices per barrell.
What did that do?
It drove up transportation costs.
What did that do?
It made getting goods (like groceries) on shelves more expensive.
It also made commuting to work more expensive.
What did that do?
Everyone has less money to spend.
And oh yeah, push for $15 an hour...that Really helped the reteraunt business...
People suddenly forgot that minumum wage jobs were never designed to make a living at, only to supplement it.
Gotta love these 2 lefty policies...

 

[OldBusaGuy]

You forgot why the Colonies pushed back against King George and the taxes he imposed. I can only expect short term thinking from those forget that history often repeats itself.

You can't beat a manipulated voting system... The people know what they want... the elected officials are suppose to serve those that elected them. If the vote isn't transparent... if big swings in vote counts in the middle of night that have now been well documented happen. Then it is strongly suspected the vote counts were skewed. The people don't like rigged elections... 2000 Mules shows us many of the facts that show the rigged election was documented. This will never be shown in the MSM. The owner's of the MSM in this country won't allow it to be seen.

I wonder if Texas will be the first state to succeed from the USA?

Succeed. Secede. Not to worry because trump has said that he loves the uneducated like you. Maybe Texas can become part of Mexico like it once was.

As to the stupid idea that the 2020 election was stolen, why won't any of the idiots that keep claiming this bring their "alternative facts" into court? The answer is that if they did that it would require them to tell their lies under oath and that would be a felony. The whole foolish trump lie about a stolen election is all trump lies. Only a total idiot would believe his lies at this point.

 

[Red05]

Why is our debt clock running at 35 trillion a bit concerning, but not a crises? How does that tie in with the US$ being the world's reserve currency, and why is it still the main world reserve currency? What is the objective of Brexit? Why?

I believe the 35 trillion dollar to be a crisis. It has to be addressed. That part in bold, directly related to the value of the American dollar.

Could become a very lengthy thread, we can include some post-grad business school studies as well. Many of them in print. Could be entertaining, or informative, should you know how the world works.

You really believe business school, post grad or not, gives you the definitive answer to a sound economic plan? There sure are a lot of graduates out there not making a killing.

Brexit was more, in my opinion, about immigration than economics, but the money part of the issue was that immigrants from other European countries were, in the mind of conservative Brits, hurting the wage making ability of British citizens. Again, this is my philosophy, and I welcome yours even though you, much like Trump, can't seem to see past your opinions.

You appear to be the average Joe, not well informed, you just hate one guy, Trump; and you have no idea of how much damage has been done by the current administration

I let that go earlier. You have zero idea of my level of education or ability to grasp economic theories. I read with some horror your extremely rude interaction with Bumblebee and I believe it was Wuzza, and kept out of it. Your success in life, if it's not all bull, is because of acumen and definitely not your good graces or people skills.

 

[jellyrug]

I believe the 35 trillion dollar to be a crisis. It has to be addressed. That part in bold, directly related to the value of the American dollar.

Our debt to GDP ratio, is 123%. Japan's debt to GDP ratio is 263%. You won't find poverty in Japan, they are chugging along real good. The Yen is doing pretty good on its own and compared to the USD it is doing just fine. You won't buy anything cheap from Japan either, such as poorly managed countries where their currency has failed. Well we can debate the price of a Busa, such a nice bike should probably cost twice what we pay for it. But then you ride a Tuono right?

Anyways, you fail the test. There are two factors keeping the Dollar strong, one is the ability to serve our debt, the second which is by far the most important has nothing to do with money. I'm going to let you guess that one.

You really believe business school, post grad or not, gives you the definitive answer to a sound economic plan? There sure are a lot of graduates out there not making a killing.

I guess not in general, but sometimes we get a really good college or university who consult with and have presenters who have really succeeded in business, are best in their class, very successful and are willing to share their knowledge and skills with students. If you can, you should try and attend one of those sessions sometime.

I am pretty sure any CPA, or someone who did post-grad based on an accounting degree won't fail the test above as you have though.

Brexit was more, in my opinion, about immigration than economics, but the money part of the issue was that immigrants from other European countries were, in the mind of conservative Brits, hurting the wage making ability of British citizens. Again, this is my philosophy, and I welcome yours even though you, much like Trump, can't seem to see past your opinions.

My bad, apologies, old age, I meant BRICS not Brexit. Again, BRICS is not really a financial strategy, will give you a clue perhaps of the most important thing protecting our currency. Sorry I screwed up, my bad.

I let that go earlier. You have zero idea of my level of education or ability to grasp economic theories. I read with some horror your extremely rude interaction with Bumblebee and I believe it was Wuzza, and kept out of it. Your success in life, if it's not all bull, is because of acumen and definitely not your good graces or people skills.

It's OK, some people really get upset when I call BS, you can hate me. It's probably because I am wrong sometimes too, but I never get my panties in wad when I get corrected. I change my opinion, apologise and move on. You said I have a big ego, right? Maybe we should look at those who have to be right, when they know they are wrong. They hate my guts and it's OK, what is the world without a bit of fun?

My perception of your economics knowledge, is based purely on what you post. Beyond that I have no idea.

BTW, Bee is a great guy, puts a lot into this forum, but sometimes he shoots from the hip and we end up having some fun. I could be wrong, but I don't think he holds that against me. Wuzza? Yeah, he really dislikes me, I don't dislike him though. Just worried about that Honda that blows gas out the pipes. He should really fix that. There are some circlips on the needles of his six carburetors, all he has to do is move them up one or two notches.

 

[Bumblebee]

BTW, Bee is a great guy, puts a lot into this forum, but sometimes he shoots from the hip and we end up having some fun. I could be wrong, but I don't think he holds that against me. Wuzza? Yeah, he really dislikes me, I don't dislike him though. Just worried about that Honda that blows gas out the pipes. He should really fix that. There are some circlips on the needles of his six carburetors, all he has to do is move them up one or two notches.

I can count the number of people I dislike on one hand and you aren't amongst them...

Even bad actors that I have faced and/or captured don't make that list as these people were just doing what they do and weren't personally gunning for me specifically....

The internet is a weird place.........I can 100% argue the fact that if we were all face to face in a room, we would have great, productive conversations.

 

[jellyrug]

I can count the number of people I dislike on one hand and you aren't amongst them...

Even bad actors that I have faced and/or captured don't make that list as these people were just doing what they do and weren't personally gunning for me specifically....

The internet is a weird place.........I can 100% argue the fact that if we were all face to face in a room, we would have great, productive conversations.

LOL
My dry sense of humor gets me into a lot of trouble.
Thanks for your post, absolutely agree, if we had to meet up and ride, I am sure we will all have a good time.

 

[Bumblebee]

LOL
My dry sense of humor gets me into a lot of trouble.
Thanks for your post, absolutely agree, if we had to meet up and ride, I am sure we will all have a good time.

It's difficult to convey any sort of emotion including humor over the 'net that's for sure.....

Add in a dry sense of humor which often shoots right over my head and it's even more of a challenge.....