Chris Green... 15 minutes...

[Bumblebee]

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The more we try to micromanage law enforcement, the less good people will be interested in applying for the force.
It means, the caliber of folks employed will be lower exacerbating the problem.
Excellent candidate selection, proper training, should instill trust in law enforcement. We have lost it, it is gone.

I believe the difference between my values and those who get into trouble is very simple. I respect and submit to authority. Whether it is fair or not, the only thing which counts is "Authority". That was drilled into my personality during military service, as well as how I was raised by my parents. To those who disagree, try it, it works every time.

Addressing the Challenges of Recruiting and Retention in-Law Enforcement

Challenges affecting the recruiting and retention of qualified police officers are contributing to rising crime rates and social dysfunction in communities.

americafirstpolicy.com

https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/improving-recruitment/

The kind of stuff I despise, entitled people. They hate my guts, for what it is worth.

That dog is a Weimaraner.....we dog sit for one and they are an awesome dog...a little high strung but fun....

As for cameras and oversight, people who apply for police forces are made aware of this and anyone who applies has most likely watched more than a few videos to know what they are getting into....so there are no surprises anymore.

Standards are dropping in all fields and professions.....core values have changed quite a bit over the generations and this reflects on applicants. Add to this and police forces are compelled to follow DEI hiring principles so in many cases the wrong person is hired for the "right' reason.

At one time you had to meet a minimal height and weight requirement to be a police officer but that was done away with decades ago. A long time friend and former colleague has been on the Toronto force for 35 yrs now and he has seen a lot over those years....

Years ago he and his partner who are both large muscular men patrolled an area near Regent Park which is the bad area of Toronto and opposite their patrol were two small stature females patrolling together who refused to be split up and partnered with one of the larger men....my friend said he and his partner spent a lot of time backing up the two females for simple calls brought about the fact they were not respected by the people they responded to for whatever reason-be it they were smaller in stature or female....he said one call was a domestic and when he and his partner walked in it was clearly not under control, he said as soon as the actors saw him and his partner they complied knowing full well they would be outmatched physically....and that sort of thing is happening all the time.

BTW-there are many people who do not share your values and do not submit to authority....(I however do).

 

[jellyrug]

That dog is a Weimaraner.....we dog sit for one and they are an awesome dog...a little high strung but fun....

I thought you from the city?

As for cameras and oversight, people who apply for police forces are made aware of this and anyone who applies has most likely watched more than a few videos to know what they are getting into....so there are no surprises anymore.

No way, I would ever be interested in that job, the way it is today, should I have been 30 years younger.

Standards are dropping in all fields and professions.....core values have changed quite a bit over the generations and this reflects on applicants. Add to this and police forces are compelled to follow DEI hiring principles so in many cases the wrong person is hired for the "right' reason.

Careful, you may be labelled as a racist by the woke folk.

BTW-there are many people who do not share your values and do not submit to authority....(I however do).

Perhaps every man has to serve in the military, then become a reserve after a year or two. Perhaps mandatory, for the most powerful country in the world? That would mean more good people like you?

 

[Bumblebee]

I thought you from the city?

No way, I would ever be interested in that job, the way it is today, should I have been 30 years younger.

Careful, you may be labelled as a racist by the woke folk.

Perhaps every man has to serve in the military, then become a reserve after a year or two. Perhaps mandatory, for the most powerful country in the world? That would mean more good people like you?

I was a "hick from the sticks" before I joined the military and where I live now although is in a subdivision it is surrounded by farms and very large crop fields.....

I was almost tempted to join a police force and went to do all the testing and scored very high....however.....I was told in no uncertain terms that I was not what they were looking for...and that was in the mid '90s so this has been going on for quite some time.

I personally don't think mandatory service is a bad thing but have found that having people who actually want to be in the military is far better than having someone who doesn't want to be and their attitude and work ethic is a result of this..

I was in the special forces and surrounded by people who had to work very hard to get there with a very high standard and strict entrance testing....
I transitioned back to conventional forces before I retired and although they were also good folk being a volunteer military, their dedication and work ethics were far removed from what I was used to.....

I've worked with conscript militaries and it wasn't a pleasant experience....

 

[jellyrug]

I've worked with conscript militaries and it wasn't a pleasant experience....

I really did not know the meaning of the word “Conscript”, before I moved here and had to look it up.

I guess you can call me a Conscript.

The armed forces back then in SA were of mainly citizens who all had to serve if they were male, choices being after school or after college.

Two years full time and then as needed, until I left the country. Even then, they tried to get me back, until I lost my citizenship.

We were all highly motivated, loyal and you can go reference, or research the armed forces back in the 80’s they were top class, rated by international standards.

I believe it was just accepted as normal duty to country, very different to what you have experienced.

 

[jellyrug]

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I guess if conscripts are no good, Israel must have a very weak military?

 

[Bumblebee]

I really did not know the meaning of the word “Conscript”, before I moved here and had to look it up.

I guess you can call me a Conscript.

The armed forces back then in SA were of mainly citizens who all had to serve if they were male, choices being after school or after college.

Two years full time and then as needed, until I left the country. Even then, they tried to get me back, until I lost my citizenship.

We were all highly motivated, loyal and you can go reference, or research the armed forces back in the 80’s they were top class, rated by international standards.

I believe it was just accepted as normal duty to country, very different to what you have experienced.

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I guess if conscripts are no good, Israel must have a very weak military?

I'm sure countries that have had a conscript military for generations has people who view conscription as another step towards adulthood.....I wonder how many of them stay after their mandatory time is completed?

I was saying that was MY personal experience with conscript militaries that gave me a bad taste for conscription.

 

[jellyrug]

I was saying that was MY personal experience with conscript militaries that gave me a bad taste for conscription.

Curious, which countries with conscripts gave you a bad experience?

 

[Bumblebee]

Curious, which countries with conscripts gave you a bad experience?

A few....Cyprus, Croatia, Bosnia, Brazil......I know Croatia and Bosnia abolished conscription but I served with a few of them before they did.

When I was training with the Brazilians, their regular army conscripts were less than motivated....

 

[Zerks]

Let's not forget this kind of arrest happens each and every day without the person in custody dying......the lack of professionalism is the cause of this death...

Chauvin was found guilty because he was guilty.....the other police officers were also guilty......it was their duty to take Floyd into custody and protect not only his rights but his safety while doing so...force meets force, they had all kinds of non-lethal devices available.....including hobbles which weren't employed.....

Floyd died due to negligence and the protests spawned because more than one person has died in the same manner but nothing was seemingly being done to curtail these deaths......people get fed up.

The protests morphed into riots but from all the reports I read, the original protesters were replaced by dissidents bent on creating chaos and not all these dissidents were left wing groups....many right wing aligned group members were arrested.

If you look at all large cities world wide, there are places within them that are less than inviting to outsiders so there is little surprise Minneapolis has this sort of region within it....

Floyd demonstrated no respect, no regard and no compliance even with a gun pointed at him from less than 2 feet away when being ordered to show his hands. A perp's odds of surviving an arrest drop steadily when no compliance is taking place.

Would you keep digging around in the passenger seat area when an officer with a loaded gun is pointing it at you and commanding you to show your hands?

That is the level of lunacy Floyd was demonstrating in the minutes leading up to his submission.

Did he deserve to die? no... I agree on that point... however... when somebody is consistently resisting arrest their odds of survival start dropping.

The MP manual details that level of submission being a legal way to get a suspect under control. I am sure it buried by now... the censorship of this manual depicting this form of restraint has already been published years ago. So... say what you want. The facts are still the facts.

 

[Bumblebee]

Floyd demonstrated no respect, no regard and no compliance even with a gun pointed at him from less than 2 feet away when being ordered to show his hands. A perp's odds of surviving an arrest drop steadily when no compliance is taking place.

Would you keep digging around in the passenger seat area when an officer with a loaded gun is pointing it at you and commanding you to show your hands?

That is the level of lunacy Floyd was demonstrating in the minutes leading up to his submission.

Did he deserve to die? no... I agree on that point... however... when somebody is consistently resisting arrest their odds of survival start dropping.

The MP manual details that level of submission being a legal way to get a suspect under control. I am sure it buried by now... the censorship of this manual depicting this form of restraint has already been published years ago. So... say what you want. The facts are still the facts.

However the arrest took place, it occurred and once it did, after that the police had a duty to look after the person in custody......and they didn't....and the end result was his death.....in this particular case it was Floyd but it could have been anyone.

MP manual? as in military police? If so what there is a vast difference in what the military police and a civilian police do. The military police base their training on civilian police for their policing duties.....and all police forces have banned choke holds and certain submissive holds for good reason.

 

[jellyrug]

However the arrest took place, it occurred and once it did, after that the police had a duty to look after the person in custody......and they didn't....and the end result was his death.....in this particular case it was Floyd but it could have been anyone.

MP manual? as in military police? If so what there is a vast difference in what the military police and a civilian police do. The military police base their training on civilian police for their policing duties.....and all police forces have banned choke holds and certain submissive holds for good reason.

Stop feeding.

 

[Zerks]

However the arrest took place, it occurred and once it did, after that the police had a duty to look after the person in custody......and they didn't....and the end result was his death.....in this particular case it was Floyd but it could have been anyone.

MP manual? as in military police? If so what there is a vast difference in what the military police and a civilian police do. The military police base their training on civilian police for their policing duties.....and all police forces have banned choke holds and certain submissive holds for good reason.

No... Minneapolis Police dept... I already saw the manual. His wife had it. She revealed it and could not understand why it wasn't relevant to the case. You don't think a legal case like this could be manipulated in some sort of unethical way, do you?

 

[Zerks]

Stop feeding.
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Can't stand it when people debate the case...can you? At the bottom of the page it says the Minneapolis Police dept changed the rules regarding the ways suspects can be restrained with certain ways of using neck holds. This was after the case was decided in a Minneapolis court room... not before the George Floyd case.

Lets be clear here... Big ego's prevail in this world... and that is why this country is bordering on insanity in the political arena and other places.

Did the OJ Simpson trial get decided the way it was suppose to?




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“That policy does not state that you apply your full entire body weight with your knee on an individual who’s not resisting, cutting off his air,” says the Minneapolis police chief about neck restraints, which he says he’s now banned within the department. t.co/jJ8e9a8alG
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The Minneapolis Police Department issued the latest update on its training manualFriday, March 12, 2021, but it has been months since the department banned neck restraints and choke holds. At the time of Floyd’s death in 2020, officers in the Minneapolis Police Department were authorized to restrain a person by the neck using their leg or arm as a compliance tactic.

 

[Red05]

No... Minneapolis Police dept... I already saw the manual. His wife had it. She revealed it and could not understand why it wasn't relevant to the case. You don't think a legal case like this could be manipulated in some sort of unethical way, do you?

You read the manual, but missed the part about the recovery position?

I'm pretty sure that's not the position Floyd was in when he passed. The manual specifically states “to prevent asphyxiation “ with this picture.
The other officer asked Chauvin twice if they should turn him on his side.
Why do I bother? Jelly's right, I'm kind of a dull knife.

 

[jellyrug]

Ping Bee.

Last time I read your opinion that the chaos experienced during the Afghanistan withdrawal was unavoidable.

This report contradicts you, linked below.

Do you still hold your opinion?

Chairman McCaul Releases Historic, Comprehensive Report on Biden-Harris Administration’s Afghanistan Withdrawal - Committee on Foreign Affairs

Washington, D.C. – House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul has released the Majority’s report on the committee’s investigation into the Biden-Harris administration’s withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the chaos and instability that followed. The full report entitled, “Willful...

foreignaffairs.house.gov

 

[Zerks]

You read the manual, but missed the part about the recovery position?

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I'm pretty sure that's not the position Floyd was in when he passed. The manual specifically states “to prevent asphyxiation “ with this picture.
The other officer asked Chauvin twice if they should turn him on his side.
Why do I bother? Jelly's right, I'm kind of a dull knife.

At the same time Floyd is being very vocal... I can't breathe he says a number of times... how about he stops talking and just focuses on breathing?

 

[Bumblebee]

Ping Bee.

Last time I read your opinion that the chaos experienced during the Afghanistan withdrawal was unavoidable.

This report contradicts you, linked below.

Do you still hold your opinion?

Chairman McCaul Releases Historic, Comprehensive Report on Biden-Harris Administration’s Afghanistan Withdrawal - Committee on Foreign Affairs

Washington, D.C. – House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul has released the Majority’s report on the committee’s investigation into the Biden-Harris administration’s withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the chaos and instability that followed. The full report entitled, “Willful...

foreignaffairs.house.gov

Pong back.....

I was speaking on tactical not strategic....the fact the US government left the decision to withdraw people to the last minute not withstanding.....if the US government had prior knowledge that the Afghan government was collapsing and still did nothing to prevent that is the biggest issue in my viewpoint.

Once they committed and boots were on the ground to conduct the airlift, there was no choice but to do what they did, the alternative was a running gun fight to the border...the airport was hastily secured but not fully making this withdrawl a dangerous one.

 

[jellyrug]

Can't stand it when people debate the case...can you?

Nope. All I do is ignore folks who waste bandwidth.

Rubah (wonder how he is doing) started the George Floyd thread in 2020, close to 1,000 posts.

It’s 2024 now, should you not know.

I have questions,maybe you have answers. George Floyd & Karma | Random Thoughts

Do you believe in Karma? noun: karma (in Hinduism and Buddhism) the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences. INFORMAL destiny or fate, following as effect from cause. The reason I ask is I'm wondering if the...

www.hayabusa.org

 

[jellyrug]

As I said in a previous post, a little bit of respect for authority and all of this would not be necessary.

What supercar was Tyreek Hill driving when he was detained on the street? Take a look

Police are investigating why the traffic stop escalated.

www.yahoo.com

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

In re: “Add to this and police forces are compelled to follow DEI hiring principles so in many cases the wrong person is hired for the "right' reason.”

For the record, in many cases the right person is hired for the right reason.