Christmas is For Christ? NOT!
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don't really have much to say on this matter (I keep my beliefs to me), but I will wish everyone here a very Merry Christmas!
Don't mind me...I'm just gonna pull up a stool and shave the boys.
Don't mind me...I'm just gonna pull up a stool and shave the boys.
Hey BBK -(Black Bird Killer @ Dec. 13 2006,10:15)I'm referring to the scriptures that Rev quoted in his original post. How they cut down trees, brought them into their houses and adorned them. The Bible clearly says not to do these things. It makes no mention about having pictures of your family.Something to thinks about, the Bible also says in Leviticus not to peirce your body(ear rings) or mark you body with ink(tattoos) yet how many "Christians" do you see with ear rings and some even with tattoos(me)? Are Christians wrong because they have ear rings, tattoos and decorate trees for Christmas? That's not for me to answer, but if so then I guess I am wrong.
BTW, do you rub the little budha's belly?
I looked in Leviticus and I could not find referance to the piercing thing. can you provide me with the location please..
sproket
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MERRY CHRISTMAS...
I have always celebrated Christmas since i can remember...It ment a great deal for us kids...The energy was magical...we would get together and plan for the get together...and make the crib, the huge star that was displayed in our town square ...the feast was awesome....and the best part was the gifts and the reletives that came to visit...
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enjoy the moment..
I have always celebrated Christmas since i can remember...It ment a great deal for us kids...The energy was magical...we would get together and plan for the get together...and make the crib, the huge star that was displayed in our town square ...the feast was awesome....and the best part was the gifts and the reletives that came to visit...
enjoy the moment..
dudewizr
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Here ya go, and then some.(thrasherfox @ Dec. 13 2006,20:06)Hey BBK -(Black Bird Killer @ Dec. 13 2006,10:15)I'm referring to the scriptures that Rev quoted in his original post. How they cut down trees, brought them into their houses and adorned them. The Bible clearly says not to do these things. It makes no mention about having pictures of your family.Something to thinks about, the Bible also says in Leviticus not to peirce your body(ear rings) or mark you body with ink(tattoos) yet how many "Christians" do you see with ear rings and some even with tattoos(me)? Are Christians wrong because they have ear rings, tattoos and decorate trees for Christmas? That's not for me to answer, but if so then I guess I am wrong.
BTW, do you rub the little budha's belly?
I looked in Leviticus and I could not find referance to the piercing thing. can you provide me with the location please..
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
- Leviticus 19:28
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They must not make cuts or prints in their flesh for the dead; for the heathen did so to pacify the infernal deities they dreamt of, and to render them propitious to their deceased friends. Christ by his sufferings has altered the property of death, and made it a true friend to every true Israelite; and now, as there needs nothing to make death propitious to us (for, if God be so, death is so of course), so we sorrow not as those that have no hope. Those whom the God of Israel had set apart for himself must not receive the image and superscription of these dunghill deities.
Most people know of the passage from Leviticus quoted above, but it doesn't really apply for a couple of reasons. First of all, the majority of people do not practise cuttings or tattoos in relation to funerary rites. (Tattoos were even acceptably associated with funerary rites at times - The crusaders were tattooed with Christian symbols to ensure themselves a proper burial should they be killed in battle.) Secondly, these are laws from the first covenant, which Jesus replaced with the new covenant:
"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
"But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."
- Galacians 3:23-24
Both points are a matter of interpretation, which is the root of this entire thread. At any rate, I was merely pointing out that many scriptures like the Levitical laws and the ones Rev quoted are forgotten about or otherwise overlooked. I can give you more examples of this if you like. But there again we would have "interpretation" issues(dudewizr @ Dec. 13 2006,20:39)Here ya go, and then some.(thrasherfox @ Dec. 13 2006,20:06)Hey BBK -(Black Bird Killer @ Dec. 13 2006,10:15)I'm referring to the scriptures that Rev quoted in his original post. How they cut down trees, brought them into their houses and adorned them. The Bible clearly says not to do these things. It makes no mention about having pictures of your family.Something to thinks about, the Bible also says in Leviticus not to peirce your body(ear rings) or mark you body with ink(tattoos) yet how many "Christians" do you see with ear rings and some even with tattoos(me)? Are Christians wrong because they have ear rings, tattoos and decorate trees for Christmas? That's not for me to answer, but if so then I guess I am wrong.
BTW, do you rub the little budha's belly?
I looked in Leviticus and I could not find referance to the piercing thing. can you provide me with the location please..
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
- Leviticus 19:28
-
They must not make cuts or prints in their flesh for the dead; for the heathen did so to pacify the infernal deities they dreamt of, and to render them propitious to their deceased friends. Christ by his sufferings has altered the property of death, and made it a true friend to every true Israelite; and now, as there needs nothing to make death propitious to us (for, if God be so, death is so of course), so we sorrow not as those that have no hope. Those whom the God of Israel had set apart for himself must not receive the image and superscription of these dunghill deities.
Most people know of the passage from Leviticus quoted above, but it doesn't really apply for a couple of reasons. First of all, the majority of people do not practise cuttings or tattoos in relation to funerary rites. (Tattoos were even acceptably associated with funerary rites at times - The crusaders were tattooed with Christian symbols to ensure themselves a proper burial should they be killed in battle.) Secondly, these are laws from the first covenant, which Jesus replaced with the new covenant:
"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
"But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."
- Galacians 3:23-24
Well , I look at it this way .....God needs the good people that can infiltrate the scum and try to convert/convince them of his ways . This is where I come in .(Black Bird Killer @ Dec. 13 2006,21:19)(Warputer @ Dec. 13 2006,20:48)Guess we're both wrong ......better repent now !
Gonna take alot for us
My last post in this thread. I never celebrated Christmas as a child because of the scriptures Rev was quoting. I agree that Christmas was originated by the Catholic church, changing a Pagan holiday to a Christian holiday. That being said, we celebrate Christmas. I will not deprive my kids of Christmas day. I will not make them go to school and try to explain why they didn't get any presents. I had to do that and it was really humiliating. However, my kids will not think santa brings them presents. I teach them that Christmas is the day we celebrate the birth of Jesus. So, to all, however you celebrate it - MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Now that's funny! Allmost spit out my dinner.(thrasherfox @ Dec. 13 2006,00:24)
Who peed in your wheeties?
I love the thought of Christmas, Joy to the world ... peace, love.
But truth of the matter is most of what Rev says about the history is true. Early christians didnt celebrate it and it is tied to alot of pagan history. For that matter go look up "Ol Nick" in the dictionary or anything about the origins of Christmas and you would be shocked.
I am very much a Christian or should I say try to be ... ( Christian means "Christ Like" ) My wife & I choose not to celebrate the holidays because of it origins and it wasnt recognized by the early Christians, but I do like to send gifts to my family & friends including some of you here at the org at other times of the year. Jesus said there is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving.
As for the word Agape' it is one of 4 Greek words meaning love. Agape' is love based on principle, like " Christians should love their fellow man. " or " love thy enemy" so Agape' is not the necessarily the kind of love you have for your family and friends.
Finally, religous discussions spark some interesting conversations and sometimes strong opinions. We frequently here people say " I think, this or that ... " Ask yourself : What does God think about this or that?
I hope everyone here has a nice Holiday, time off with with friends and family, and hope to see alot of you this coming year.
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