Ah, and I thought this thread was dying... When you guys set your mind on opposing something no matter the reasoning, your mind comes up with a bunch of irrelevant stuff, and things which simply don't make sense.
skydivr, a general statement. Wiggle is slide-grab-slide-grab-slide-grab. This may happen while riding ALONG the tar snake, and I have experienced that. I clearly indicated this wasn't the case - I crossed the tar snake at an angle. Besides, it's silly to argue with the facts. I was riding, not you guys. It was ONE slide, although a small and quick. But I felt it, and doubting it is plain silly, like I am making stuff up. $10k motorcycles are routinely damaged during track days and in numbers. If you were doing track days, how many crashes did you encounter on average during a track day? During the past number of years, in my experience - 6 crashes a day on average. And oftentimes, those were bikes costing more than $10k. I had a misfortune to lowside about 2 years ago when I lost the front because the rider in front of me forgot to tighten his coolant hose, spilling his coolant right at the turn-in point - nice. The rider behind me went down, too.
Tuf, you start off with complete non-sense. You are obviously referring to foot anchors. We already had this discussion, and I don't want to get too heavy into this, but neither you nor others could come up with any coherent argument of why foot anchors don't work. To me it's interesting to observe in you and others how the knowledge and experience can completely rob a person of logic and common sense. To me, the fact that you bring into this discussion a completely unrelated subject is an indication that you are unable to provide a valid and relevant argument. A few well known... and I mean really well known people in motorcycling/racing industry don't think it's such a bad idea, but unfortunately this is the extent of how much I am allowed to talk about it. Also, hundreds... no, more than a thousand riders around the world like the idea as indicated on
Motorcycle Foot Anchors Facebook page. Those are riders from the US, Australia, Canada, Germany, Spain, Finland, France, United Kingdom, Hong Kong, Israel, Italy, Japan, Sweden, and South Africa. Try to guess which three countries and in what order have riders who are most interested in this novel idea. Oh, can you answer a simple questions:
what is the primary reason for riders to hang off in turns in the first place?
I am not sure what it has to do with G-forces. You are also wrong that G-forces increase exponentially (hint: trigonometry - those pesky COS, and SIN functions), although they do increase significantly past 45 degrees, but we are not discussing extreme lean angles here - so this is another irrelevant argument. No idea what OAT means. Tires are hard as rock - what a bunch of non-sense! That's at 30 psi cold! 40 degrees lean angle is a knee dragging territory! You gotta be kidding me, because any racer would laugh at that. Yeah, maybe if a really tall guy on a small bike can stick the knee so far out that he can scrape the knee even at 20 degrees of lean angle. And I do ride aggressively on the street especially in warm weather, and I do hang off a lot more easily thanks to foot anchors, and very close to the ground to the extent that my tires are used to the edges.
A complete non-sense about the front more likely losing traction than the rear. Really? All these highsides you like to talk about, was it the lost front or the lost rear which caused it? Man, you devote so much argumentation to simply go against something, yet you cannot provide a single valid argument, and you seem to be incapable of giving any useful suggestion. The front has less STATIC traction than the rear. When the bike is accelerating, oftentimes the rear has less traction. I don't believe you didn't know that, so my only conclusion is that you provide an example which makes no sense simply because... you want to oppose my point of view.
And yes, according to me, if you lose traction on the front while being in turn, the game is OVER! Just don't give me the counter example of the front pushing - this is not the lost front. When someone denies the obvious... not sure what it means, but
BTW, your body position in your avatar is wrong. It is crossed over - your head is atop the tank. I can assure you that if your head was facing the inside mirror, more of your upper body mass would be on the inside, and as a result the lean angle of the bike could be reduced - for the same speed/radius. Or, alternatively, you could go through the same turn - faster, but with the same lean angle of the bike. The question is: why aren't you positioning your head facing the inside mirror?
In conclusion, I'd like to ask you: what advise can YOU give to riders who go out and ride in cold weather, or in the wet? And how would you advise them to handle tar snakes in either case?
I would like to point out that I would NOT advise to purposefully ride over tar snakes in the wet because slides and wiggles are too abrupt for comfort. I purposefully rode over tar snakes in the wet in turns during warm weather, and even at slight lean angles this is quite unsettling experience. I found it useful to know what it feels like, and to condition myself not to be afraid of it. A couple of such rides was enough for me.
Just curious what others think about my initial post?