Do You Believe In GOD ?

I respect others to let them think what they want about religion.

I do believe there is a God. I know where I stand spiritually. I have no doubts about my beliefs in a higher being. I have had a few times that I could feel that something spiritual was guiding me. I also know that some spiritual force has warned me about a possible crash in time to avoid it more than once.

The Illuminati believe there is a devil. They are at the opposite end of spirituality than I am.

I'd rather believe in God and be wrong, than not believe and be wrong. :beerchug:
 
That's a fair question. Here's a fair question which NOT ONE person has ever answered for me: If you discovered that there is no god, what would you do about it? --Wag--

If I found out that God doesn't exist I would go I would become a professional sniper. Then go to war with the government when they come to take away our guns because they are going to try to remove the 2nd amendment very soon after the Facists take control. Then they'll try to herd us all into concentration camps that have been built in the closed military bases around the nation.

Just because there is tinfoil in my hat doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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i'll answer your question Wag but i have to say that most on here will probably not agree with me nor should this be taken for the norm...i have found that most people are nice for whatever reason, it took me hitting bottom and trying to scratch meaning out of this life by myself for a while to bring me to the realization that there is something bigger and more meaningful in this life than just trying to accumulate the most toys

it was during that time that i sensed God's presence and after finally acknowledging that He might be real and actually love me and want to help me that my life took a different track...the faith i received for a better future is the only thing keeping me from going back to the life i was living before...i know that God, my Creator, rescued me from a pointless life here on Earth and has promised me an even better existance in Heaven once i leave here

if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that He truly does not exist and i am just an accidental by-product of a cosmic explosion, i have no doubt that i would return to the same life of lying, cheating, stealing, etc. that i used to live...if this is all there is, why not? i might as well do anything i want in order to get anything i want...there would be no meaning to life and nothing to stop me but some man-made rules which i don't give two hoots about...only the rules put in place by the One who created me mean anything as far as i am concerned


So you are saying that the simple joy of making others happy is not reward enough? You need reassurance that you are going heaven inorder to do those things?

I think those who would continue to treat everyone exaclty the same if they found out there is no god are those that are truely saved.
 
Kind of a thread jack here -

I have a close friend that always tells me to: "Look out for God Moments" while going about my day. She explained that you aren't always going to seen one big miracle, but many miracles happen through out your day.

Sorry if that doesn't make a lot of sense, it makes sense in my brain. :) :)
 
Kind of a thread jack here -

I have a close friend that always tells me to: "Look out for God Moments" while going about my day. She explained that you aren't always going to seen one big miracle, but many miracles happen through out your day.

Sorry if that doesn't make a lot of sense, it makes sense in my brain. :) :)


It makes very good sense to me. Once I had taken my faith seriously,....I began to see GOD moments. Many are too busy to see or hear these moments,............but to agree with you,..........they are plentiful,.........and all around us. :bowdown:
 
is it not true, that people who meet god, have died. turned into fish or something maybe, even. dead man walking sort of thing.
 
is it not true, that people who meet god, have died. turned into fish or something maybe, even. dead man walking sort of thing.



Yeah, sort of..

This is just kind of a guess (a wild guess). but it makes sense to me, and who knows, maybe it is something God has given to me as understanding. Or I am just whacked, take your pick :D


I kind of look at being in the presence of God and compare it in this way.


Pick out an object that can withstand any temperature of fire.

When it is new you can throw it into the fire and it doesn't do anything to it.

But if it is old and has been laying around a long time and it has gotten dirty, and grimy and bugs have gotten all over it, cats have come up and peeded on it, a few dogs have taken a dump on it. There are maggots and flies in the poop and just made it a complete mess.

It looks like crap, smells like crap and basically is kind of disgusting looking.

Now throw it in the fire. The fire will have a cleansing affect. Since the object itself cannot be destroyed by fire it exists. but all the stuff and junk and poop and pee that was all over it is destroyed in the fire. Any living creature such as maggots and flies etc parish in the fire.

I look at us humans the same way.

When Adam and Eve were created, they were pure, without sin (all the junk and mess was not piled up on them from generations of sin) so they could stand before God (the ultimate cleansing fire) without being affected. Even when they sinned because it was one sin.

Even when Cain slew Abel. He was the second generation of human so he did not have enough impurities (junk you might say) in his DNA so he would not be physically affected by the presence of God.

But as time grew on and more people sinned, and did things that were sinful it left a physical stain on the human DNA (they can detect if you did LSD through DNA samples of your hair)

So for all we know when we sin it very well could change our DNA structure ever so slightly. Call if "evolution" if you like.

But unlike an object that can withstand fire so the outside can be cleaned. Our bodies impurities begin to be part of our DNA structure that cannot really be removed through intense fire all at once without totally destroying us.

I believe this would account for one reason why God had to start showing himself less and less physically to this world because of the sin nature of humans his presence would be harmful to them.

I believe the bible teaches that God cannot be in the presence of sin, which is why we cannot stand before him.

Try looking at it this way, instead of thinking "God cannot be in the presence of sin"

think instead:

"God cannot be in the presence of sin without the sin being utterly destroyed, and in the case of most humans this would result in so much shock to the body the human could not withstand it and survive.


Now I believe a human who walks with God, serves God with all of his heart, that God like a skillful surgeon begins to slowly remove these impure DNA traces. as each impurity is removed from your body it allows you to physically get a little closer to God.

If God can remove enough impuritys, there can become a point where a human could face God with some damage but not enough to cause death.

Such as in the case of Moses.

Moses was a prophet of God. he walked with God and God walked with Moses
And while Moses was born into sin, he spent almost all of his life serving God with love and with great passion.

When Moses went to the top of Mount Sinai he was old, but I believe God had by that time cleansed most of the impurities out of his DNA so he could withstand being in the presence of God.


I believe this would account for the appearance of Moses when he came back from being with God. The accounts say his hair had turned white and he was glowing. Well to me this makes perfect sense if someones entire DNA structure had just been cleansed of impurities.

Often when you throw metals and such into fires they have whitish color to them.

I also believe this is another reason (or dare I even say the main reason) for the need for Jesus. Since humans DNA became so impure making it more and more difficult for God to communicate even with the high priests. He required a mediator that could walk in both realms and could be in the presence of God and in the presents of humans without being destroyed by God or corrupted by the world.

The perfect Solution. God would have to come to man in human form.

this is why Jesus is soooo important and why people have to go to Jesus to get to God.

Before Jesus came people would go to the high priests in the temple, confess their sins, then the high priests would go into the holy of holy's before God on behalf of the people.


it took special priests to do this. and only these priests were allowed in the holy of holy's AND they had to prepare properly before they went in. I believe this was for their own safety because of the whole God's essence just automatically burning away any sin in his presence.

But even priests from time to time would die when entering the most holy of holy's

When Jesus died on the cross it was finished. the seed he needed to plant on this earth so that the word would spread about him had been planted. once this was accomplish it was time for him to leave and allow the seed to grow.


Jesus now becoming humans mediator, God no longer required the need for the priests.

God knew the priests DNA were becoming corrupt as any other human and eventually the pure priests would all die off. God knew this would eventually happen and as I said, Jesus was the answer.

A great symbology of this is when Jesus gave up his spirit and his fleshed passed. at that moment there was a great earth quake, and the curtain in the temple that separated the most holy of Holy's from the rest of the world was torn in two.

This was the sign from God that Jesus had taken over the role of mediator between God and humans and priests were no longer needed.

The problem is the priests did not want to be out of a job, being priests is how they lived. What would they do? And at that time most of the priests didn't believe Jesus was the son of God so they continued being priests even though it was no longer needed.

I also believe ALL of this explains why the bible says that when we die we are given a new pure eternal body and why our current one needs to be shed.

As a Christian who believes in Christ with all of their heart and mind, Jesus cleanses the spirit and makes the spirit of the human pure, but the flesh is still corrupt. When the time is right, and your spirit is fully cleansed by Jesus working in your life, you then are able to shed your corrupt earthly shell just as the caterpillar sheds it's body and cacoon and becomes a butterfly.

I also believe all of the above I just laid out is another reason why some people say they cant talk to God, they don't see God, they cant hear God.

Stop looking for God, God cannot lay his eyes upon you in the state you are in, look for Jesus, Jesus will gladly come to you, he will prepare you so that you can one day be in the presence of God. And when you are ready, Jesus will take you before God. But until then focus on Jesus. and since Jesus is God come to man, Jesus is God.

And one last note, for people that do not understand things in the bible, and they have a difficult time wrapping their mind around the whole trinity thing and how could Jesus be God AND be the son of God.

Dont get wrapped up around the Axel on it. We cannot fathom all things at once, we need to be spoon fed the word. as we grow in the word and become more mature, the more we can be fed.

What you don't understand today, you might understand with clarity tomorrow. But the bottom line, don't worry about it. when you are meant to understand it, you will but until then keep focus on Jesus so he can like a surgeon remove the sin from your life preparing you for an eternal life with God. And the more sin that is removed, the closer you are able to get to God, the more of Gods word will make sense to you.




In his name
 
I would have liked to beleive but after 45 years of life on the planet all I've seen is how religion can hurt people and good people become corrupt and judemental with their own ideas on how people should follow one belief or another...

I do beleive though that people do know right from wrong on their own and should do their best to be honest and good to other people...

Is it wrong for a group of church going woment to lay hands on a white cadillac and pray for the lord to give them one? Silly but true...

As Jim Morrison said you cannot petition the lord with prayer... Sadly this is what religion has become...

Do I believe... I really want to but there is no proof for me...
 
Do I believe... I really want to but there is no proof for me...



The best way I can answer that, and not trying to sound all philosophical and such, it is just the way it is coming out.



If ALL you are looking for is proof of God's existence then you probably wont find him.


If all you are looking for is to know God, you will find him and after you have no doubt (well should I say little doubt, everyone doubts from time to time, that is where faith comes in) that he exists, then God will provide you little nuggets of proof here and there to let you know you are on the right track.
 
The best way I can answer that, and not trying to sound all phylisophical and such, it is just the way it is coming out.



If ALL you are looking for is proof of Gods existence then you probably wont find him.


If all you are looking for is to know God, you will find him and after you have no doubt (well should I sat little doubt, everyone doubts from time to time, that is where faith comes in) that he exists, then God will provide you little nuggets of proof here and there to let you know you are on the right track.

agree
 
If we stopped teaching the word of God or knowledge of his existence,what do you think God would do?

He give us little nuggets to let us know we on our right path? Doesn't it conflict with our free will? Terrorists who act in the name of God,could they be acting on some of these nuggets? People might say they are wrong,but where is the proof? How is it God gives us inspiration in these little nuggets,yet turns his cheek on such things. How much better would this world be if he gave us undeniable proof of his existence? Given our human nature we need updated proof of his existence not grasping at straws and saying it's gods handy work.

Remember when cults was a big issue? People having to kidnap their loved ones to deprogram them. These people were led a stray by being influenced.

We are all influenced god exists by a book and hearsay of what the people around us say. No hard proof. We believe cause they said it is so?

Have faith.....

1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction ; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
 
God gave them great miracles in the Old Tesiment ie...water from rocks, water into wine, oceans parting, ect...... It worked back then..sure but only for a short period of time. Look at the Israelies when they were brought out of Egypt (with help of many miracles to the King). They wondered around for 40 years in search of the promise land which they DID find but had hard times throughout (just like WE do) the journey. Everytime they waivered in their faith God gave them a miracle to sustain them physically and spiritually. It never lasted long before they AGAIN cried out "why would God do this to us he must not be there" THEN God would give them ANOTHER miracle.

What do we have to learn from that?

glad you asked.

We are just like them. If things aren't going the way WE want them to the first thing we want to do is blame God. "He's not there." or "He's not listening."

Truth is he IS there and he IS listening. YOU have to ask yourself

1. are you right with God (is he trying to get your attention about some sin your not letting go of)?
2. OR he maybe strengthening your faith. He will not give you more than you can handle (you hear this alot but it's true).
3. If you've never prayed for forgiveness of your sins and accepted him as your Lord....he may be trying to get your attention for that.
 
Originally Posted by semi View Post
i'll answer your question Wag but i have to say that most on here will probably not agree with me nor should this be taken for the norm...i have found that most people are nice for whatever reason, it took me hitting bottom and trying to scratch meaning out of this life by myself for a while to bring me to the realization that there is something bigger and more meaningful in this life than just trying to accumulate the most toys

it was during that time that i sensed God's presence and after finally acknowledging that He might be real and actually love me and want to help me that my life took a different track...the faith i received for a better future is the only thing keeping me from going back to the life i was living before...i know that God, my Creator, rescued me from a pointless life here on Earth and has promised me an even better existance in Heaven once i leave here

if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that He truly does not exist and i am just an accidental by-product of a cosmic explosion, i have no doubt that i would return to the same life of lying, cheating, stealing, etc. that i used to live...if this is all there is, why not? i might as well do anything i want in order to get anything i want...there would be no meaning to life and nothing to stop me but some man-made rules which i don't give two hoots about...only the rules put in place by the One who created me mean anything as far as i am concerned

So you are saying that the simple joy of making others happy is not reward enough? You need reassurance that you are going heaven inorder to do those things?

I think those who would continue to treat everyone exaclty the same if they found out there is no god are those that are truely saved.

A very excellent question by semi, ....but a much better answer by sjcurrence. Although I respect those who seek some meaning and dignity for life beyond what is rationally possible,.. religion as such has been a colossal failure throughout history in trying to guide people to a morality through payment and promise, rather than through rational understanding.

Saw this from another thread, LOL. And this is just Christianity, islamic religion is likewise bifurcated as are all others.
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,....Religion is a corruption of the original legitimate philosophical idea of a creator, ... It attempts to lay claim on morality, then introduces irrelevant nonsensical baggage one is expected to accept, making it easier to reject the entire message, ..than if that message was founded purely on a rational basis to begin with. It is really rundundant.
 
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How much better would this world be if he gave us undeniable proof of his existence? Given our human nature we need updated proof of his existence not grasping at straws and saying it's gods handy work.

Obviously you didn't read or didn't understand my previous post about proof.

The nature of humans is to adapt. when something is new to us we are all ooooh and ahhhhh. but then EVERYTHING to us loses its appeal after awhile.

It would be no different if God showed himself to us. once people realized he was a living God they would eventually lose interest.

It is obvious your heart is hardened and not open to the thought of God. and that is ok, it is your life.

Good luck :thumbsup:
 
Strife said:
How much better would this world be if he gave us undeniable proof of his existence? Given our human nature we need updated proof of his existence not grasping at straws and saying it's gods handy work.

Though i'm a agnostic I would answer Strife this way, .. if God "gave us undeniable proof of his existence", than it wouldn't require anything from us in the way of moral effort to abide by 'his will'.
 
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