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Do You Believe In GOD ?
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see post #66 on page 4 
nuff said.
nuff said.
Obviously you didn't read or didn't understand my previous post about proof.
The nature of humans is to adapt. when something is new to us we are all ooooh and ahhhhh. but then EVERYTHING to us loses its appeal after awhile.
It would be no different if God showed himself to us. once people realized he was a living God they would eventually lose interest.
It is obvious your heart is hardened and not open to the thought of God. and that is ok, it is your life.
Good luck
Same point I was making about the Israels in the old testiment. They got what we would call huge miracles but they still fell away in time and even started making golden calfs to worship. You'd think they'd NEVER loose faith again after the red sea parted or water out of rocks but they did. Today we would too.
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If only. . . . .
You know how many diatribes I see every day against gay people which are written by the purveyors of Christianity? Very sad. Okay, yeah, those are men who are espousing that hatred, not god.
One of my major beefs with religion of any flavor is that it claims that people can be changed by the religion. I don't believe that. I believe people have the power within themselves to change. A couple of cases in point: People who join a religion or church and then fall by the wayside, unaltered by their asserted faith. Bakker, Falwell, Jackson, etc. etc. Many priests. Many Pastors and faith healers.
On the flip side, I've known plenty of people who have stopped drinking and doing drugs, started treating their families well, increased their station in life, etc. all without the influence of religion or faith in anything other than their belief that they could make the requisite, desired changes in their lives.
There are a gazillion quotes out there of profound thought. See the one I have as my sig line.
--Wag--
I agree that is very sad. You must also remember though, there are many who profess to be christians for personal gain. I see so many who puff their chests and say they are christians then when you see how they really are you know they can't be because so many of their actions are against what the bible teaches.
As I have said earlier, don't turn you back on God because of the actions of some religions or persons who claim to have religion. I have been there, I have had struggles, not with God, but with other members of the church. People who I looked up to for years only to be let down. It has taken me years to realize that we should follow God, not man. Even when someone claims to be a leader or pastor or person of God, doesn't mean you should follow them without thinking for yourself.
Any church or group that teaches hate of anything other than sin is not a bible based church. Don't let those twisted versions of the real thing lead you down the wrong path.
Admittedly, for some this is true. which is sad.
However in reality that is far from the truth
In my life there has been a lot of people I would love to have hated. But knowing God doesnt hate them I try to temper myself.
One of those little nuggets I spole of before that some made fun of is, when I have had people I really really did not like and wouldn't piss on them if they were thirsty, there have been plenty of times where I felt I should just pray for them regardless of how I feel about them personally.
And a strange thing has ALWAYS happened, no matter how much I might despise someone, I start my prayer off begrudgingly, and then about a 1/4 of the way through my heart begins to soften against that person, about half way through the pray my pray begins to become sincer and not just because I feel like I am supposed to.
And by the end of the prayer my feelings toward the person has changed, I no longer have issues with them and I begin to have a sincere feeling of concern for this person.
To me, having someone I have not cared for and kind of really despised for a few years, and then for some reason I feel led to pray for them and have years of hatred be taken from me within the span of a few minutes is awesome.
So yeah, that comment that God hates the same people we do. from a Christians perspective (or at least it should be a Christians perspective) God doesn't hate anyone, we humans hate people. God takes the hatred away from us if we allow him.
I believe in God.
You make a very good point and I always keep that in mind when judging for myself the true nature of others. As you say, they may claim to be Christian but their actions will nearly always belie their true heart. There are plenty of very wonderful Christian people and Jewish people and Buddhist people, etc. etc. Not everyone in any group is an asshat.
I must also assure you that my reasons for not believing in god or any deity has nothing to do with the actions of the aforementioned asshats. It came from a lot of study and introspection which was revelatory in many ways.
As usual, those who know their faith, know that they are not included in the barrel of bad apples.
Carry on with your faith. There is nothing wrong with doing so insofar as it does not interfere with the ability of others to pursue their own path of happiness.
--Wag--
We could go around and around on this subject, but I will toss in my thoughts since you asked... Yes I do believe in an Almighty God. The God of the Bible and the God Jesus himself worshiped. The word "God" is basically anything that is worshiped.
1 Cor 8:5 says : For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
a couple more interesting details :
Worship Which God?
UNLIKE the animals, we humans have the capacity to worship. This is part of our makeup from birth. We also have a moral sense, a conscience to guide us as to what is right and what is wrong. In various ways all of us follow that conscience, and in doing so, many look to a god or gods for guidance.
During the past century or two, some worldly intellectuals have disputed the existence of an almighty God and Creator. In 1844, Karl Marx declared religion to be “the opium of the people.” Later, Charles Darwin brought forth the theory of evolution. Then came the Bolshevik revolution. In Eastern Europe atheism became official state policy, and it was claimed that religion would die out with the generation of 1917. But those atheists could not change the way humans are made. This is evidenced in the resurgence of religion in Eastern Europe at this time.
However, as the Bible says, there are many who “are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords.’” (1*Corinthians 8:5) Through the ages mankind has worshiped a multitude of gods. There have been gods of fertility, of love, of war, and of wine and revelry. In the Hindu religion alone, gods number into the millions.
Trinities of gods have flourished in Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt, as well as in Buddhist lands. Christendom too has its “holy” Trinity. Islam, rejecting the Trinity, has “no god but Allah.” Moreover, even those who scoff at the concept of an invisible, almighty God have their own gods. For example, at Philippians 3:19, the Bible says of humans who are snared in materialistic pursuits: “Their god is their belly.”
Most people worship the god or gods of the land or society into which they happened to be born. This raises questions. Do all forms of worship lead to the same place—like roads up to a mountain peak? Or do many of religion’s mystic roads lead to calamity—like pathways to a precipice? Are there many proper ways to worship or is there just one? Are there many praiseworthy gods or is there just one Almighty God who is worthy of our exclusive devotion and worship?
The God of the Hebrews was identified by a name we some times hear today "Yahweh" the pronunciation of the exact name is unclear as the original Hebrew was written mostly with out vowels. A common english translation of this name is "Jehovah," this name is still found in many translations and has been removed from others.
Whatever or whoever you worship is of course a personal choice. But if a person refers to "God" I think the term or title of "God" ( similar " King " or " President " ) should be indentified by his or her name.
Just my opinion, and I know more about my opinion than anyone else
1 Cor 8:5 says : For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
a couple more interesting details :
Worship Which God?
UNLIKE the animals, we humans have the capacity to worship. This is part of our makeup from birth. We also have a moral sense, a conscience to guide us as to what is right and what is wrong. In various ways all of us follow that conscience, and in doing so, many look to a god or gods for guidance.
During the past century or two, some worldly intellectuals have disputed the existence of an almighty God and Creator. In 1844, Karl Marx declared religion to be “the opium of the people.” Later, Charles Darwin brought forth the theory of evolution. Then came the Bolshevik revolution. In Eastern Europe atheism became official state policy, and it was claimed that religion would die out with the generation of 1917. But those atheists could not change the way humans are made. This is evidenced in the resurgence of religion in Eastern Europe at this time.
However, as the Bible says, there are many who “are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords.’” (1*Corinthians 8:5) Through the ages mankind has worshiped a multitude of gods. There have been gods of fertility, of love, of war, and of wine and revelry. In the Hindu religion alone, gods number into the millions.
Trinities of gods have flourished in Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt, as well as in Buddhist lands. Christendom too has its “holy” Trinity. Islam, rejecting the Trinity, has “no god but Allah.” Moreover, even those who scoff at the concept of an invisible, almighty God have their own gods. For example, at Philippians 3:19, the Bible says of humans who are snared in materialistic pursuits: “Their god is their belly.”
Most people worship the god or gods of the land or society into which they happened to be born. This raises questions. Do all forms of worship lead to the same place—like roads up to a mountain peak? Or do many of religion’s mystic roads lead to calamity—like pathways to a precipice? Are there many proper ways to worship or is there just one? Are there many praiseworthy gods or is there just one Almighty God who is worthy of our exclusive devotion and worship?
The God of the Hebrews was identified by a name we some times hear today "Yahweh" the pronunciation of the exact name is unclear as the original Hebrew was written mostly with out vowels. A common english translation of this name is "Jehovah," this name is still found in many translations and has been removed from others.
Whatever or whoever you worship is of course a personal choice. But if a person refers to "God" I think the term or title of "God" ( similar " King " or " President " ) should be indentified by his or her name.
Just my opinion, and I know more about my opinion than anyone else
tegbusa
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The word "Allah" is the perfect description of the "One God" of monotheism for Jews, Christians and Muslims. The same word is used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Bible, centuries before Islam came. On page one of Genesis (Arabic Version) in the Old Testament, we find the word "Allah" seventeen times. In the New Testament in Arabic from the famous verse in the Gospel John 3:16 -
"For God so loved the world . . . "
And the word the translators used in Arabic for "God" is the very same word used by Muslims around the planet, "Allah."
"For God so loved the world . . . "
And the word the translators used in Arabic for "God" is the very same word used by Muslims around the planet, "Allah."
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NCBusa2001
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I wouldn't want to live in a world without the belief in God. Tough that seems to be where we are headed.
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