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Hydrogen :bowdown:

Even the Japanese have thrown that one in the bin. I think it was 18 years ago the Federal government had a small fleet of them in Washington, the refueling station had cost 20 Million or some outrageous figure. All that has been lost down the memory hole now.
There is actually a lot of hydrogen being produced, they make it out of Natural Gas, Brown Hydrogen they call it. Personally I think it would be a lot easier to just burn the NatGas in engines. Certainly a lot cleaner for the environment, and a lot cheaper.

Some old dreams from 2008

Hydrogen Fuel Cars 2008 – 2009


General Motors started rolling out the Equinox Fuel Cell SUV in early 2008 as part of its “Project Driveway” program. Under this program 100 hydrogen vehicles are being build and test driven by consumers in the Los Angeles, New York and Washington DC areas.

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We all are aware it's flammable. Lol.

We've come a long way from running around in Hydrogen filled rubber sacks of it. I happen to feel using it in ICE configuration is more practical. We can retrofit cheaper than coming up with fuel cell tech for it.
 
I happen to feel using it in ICE configuration is more practical. We can retrofit cheaper than coming up with fuel cell tech for it.
So why not just burn the natural gas it's made from? they already do that in ICE, and to good effect. Why convert it to Hydrogen? You know it's explosive, did you know it destroys seals, leaks out of even steel vessels? It's the Houdini of elements.
 
So why not just burn the natural gas it's made from? they already do that in ICE, and to good effect. Why convert it to Hydrogen? You know it's explosive, did you know it destroys seals, leaks out of even steel vessels? It's the Houdini of elements.
I have no opposition to LNG. It's already being used in a few fleet applications. It's plentiful and yes easier to store. But if you are discussing "green" options hydrogen is better. And while ambitious in today's convo, nuclear power production can yield a lot of Hydrogen.

And we are starting to revisit the idea of returning to nuclear electricity production.
 
I have no opposition to LNG. It's already being used in a few fleet applications. It's plentiful and yes easier to store. But if you are discussing "green" options hydrogen is better. And while ambitious in today's convo, nuclear power production can yield a lot of Hydrogen.

And we are starting to revisit the idea of returning to nuclear electricity production.
Years ago we used to have propane powered staff cars....they sucked with a capital "S."

In cold weather they'd freeze up and they were gutless.....of course they were K Cars after all.....hard to think they replaced full sized Dodge Diplomats...

The part I still laugh about is all the Diplomats were in a big compound getting processed to remove off the base when a reversal order came out to retain them and put the K Cars in the compound for auction.....
 
Years ago we used to have propane powered staff cars....they sucked with a capital "S."

In cold weather they'd freeze up and they were gutless.....of course they were K Cars after all.....hard to think they replaced full sized Dodge Diplomats...

The part I still laugh about is all the Diplomats were in a big compound getting processed to remove off the base when a reversal order came out to retain them and put the K Cars in the compound for auction.....
I spose Canada will always have its cold issues. That and under the best of its life circumstance, the K Car was pretty much a POS.

I used to have Canada as part of my job responsibilities. As well as upstate NY. A lot of cars freeze up if you let them sit in those winters long enough. I forgot what car it was, but I picked it up at the little airport that I was the only fool flying into there. Let alone reserve a rental car. So they get it up there sometimes well in advance when I reserve it. Not like anyone else will need one. I literally would be the only passenger that would be there besides the people that was flying in the mail.

Brake fluid absorbs water. Get it cold enough and that water forms ice crystals inside the brake lines.

Lots of fun when you go to stop and it keeps right on going across the frozen intersection.
 
I spose Canada will always have its cold issues. That and under the best of its life circumstance, the K Car was pretty much a POS.

I used to have Canada as part of my job responsibilities. As well as upstate NY. A lot of cars freeze up if you let them sit in those winters long enough. I forgot what car it was, but I picked it up at the little airport that I was the only fool flying into there. Let alone reserve a rental car. So they get it up there sometimes well in advance when I reserve it. Not like anyone else will need one. I literally would be the only passenger that would be there besides the people that was flying in the mail.

Brake fluid absorbs water. Get it cold enough and that water forms ice crystals inside the brake lines.

Lots of fun when you go to stop and it keeps right on going across the frozen intersection.
Can you remember where the little place was.....was it in the high north?

I've never had my brake fluid do that and I've driven in some pretty cold weather especially in the arctic.
 
Can you remember where the little place was.....was it in the high north?

I've never had my brake fluid do that and I've driven in some pretty cold weather especially in the arctic.
Radison or Radisson? Quebec. Way the eff up there. I can't remember how much more north you could go but the Arctic circle was pretty close.
 
Radison or Radisson? Quebec. Way the eff up there. I can't remember how much more north you could go but the Arctic circle was pretty close.
Radisson, that is a long way up there.......

It's a balmy minus 27'C there right now......

I did a 6 month tour in a place called Alert in northern Ellesmere Island.....that was cold there when it was in total darkness...
 
Radisson, that is a long way up there.......

It's a balmy minus 27'C there right now......

I did a 6 month tour in a place called Alert in northern Ellesmere Island.....that was cold there when it was in total darkness...
Yep. I had to make periodic visits to either fix something broken or just do preventative trips. Can't say that I miss it. I tried to avoid going in winter. But I did what I had to. The last leg of the flight usually got your blood moving. But yeah crazy cold. I remember you have a high of like -14F for like a week sometimes.

Upstate New York could get about as cold.

They had water up there that actually gave it a couple of degrees of help.
 
Yep. I had to make periodic visits to either fix something broken or just do preventative trips. Can't say that I miss it. I tried to avoid going in winter. But I did what I had to. The last leg of the flight usually got your blood moving. But yeah crazy cold. I remember you have a high of like -14F for like a week sometimes.

Upstate New York could get about as cold.

They had water up there that actually gave it a couple of degrees of help.

I seem to recall they had some Indians or maybe Inuits that used to come to the hotel to get firewater. Lol
 
Tesla’s profitability at its core cars division fell to its lowest level in five years in the fourth quarter, as the carmaker liquidated excess inventory at rock-bottom prices.
People touting SALES as a significant marker for the health of a company or product in general need to read that statement carefully. "Rock bottom prices"

Since the beginning people complained Tesla never paid a dividend and that it burnt through cash at a phenomenal rate. The "Experts" said it didn't matter, it was a growth stock and that "one day" it would emerge as a winner and chalk up real profits. GM as we know was selling EV cars well below production cost, and that came about because of trying to keep up with the deep price cuts Tesla began a year or more ago. So what was Tesla's profit in the last quarter of 24? Up because of sales no doubt, but if those sales were below production costs it's another matter.

Cars are a mature technology, you're not going to see a drastic price fall due to innovation in wheels and steel bodies, glass etc. Nothing like the falls we saw in computers in 2000 for example, or color TVs a generation before. Those drops came about in part because the manufacturers had been selling high to recoup the cost of the factories and because consumers will always pay a premium for the latest whizz bang technology. Also because the appliances got vastly better over time. And chiefly because everyone wanted them! But as we see, not everyone wants an EV. In fact only a fraction of consumers do now that all the downsides are apparent. Did the Federal Government have to mandate that all homes by 2005 had to have a computer in them? Or that by 1980 all TVs sold had to be color? Think about if for a minute and it completely dismisses the idea that there will be a mass uptake of this technology.

Leaving aside the actual mature "car" side of things, that leaves only the electric side of the EV as far as innovation and cost cutting goes.. The motors are a pretty mature tech too, so it leaves the batteries, nearly 1/2 the price of the actual long range car's production cost. LiPo is also a mature technology now, so unless they come up with some wonder battery formula we are at the rock bottom of prices I would suggest. All batteries are made from expensive metals, just look at the price of your average lead acid car battery. NiMH have gone well up in price too of late. So where is the savings going to come from to boost Tesla and the others given they now sell at rock bottom prices? The Dec sales were boosted by the Trump scare. Last year there was another Scare that boosted sales. How many times are the consumers going to be scared into buying an EV?

“I’m surprised to see the stock up,” admitted Deepwater Asset Management partner Gene Munster following Wednesday’s results. Despite what he called “largely a messy and difficult outlook for 2025,” the shares are trading 4% higher at press time...
I'm not surprised, not at all. Whose actually buying the shares, you and me? Or how about massive corrupt Pension funds that are chasing a rabbit as they dine at $2000 a plate restaurants with the executives of Tesla etc. If you don't think those men feather their own nests I have a bridge in Manhattan to sell you. We don't even know who these men are? They move from executive position to executive position like kids in a playground and yet they control Billions and Trillions of our life savings. Were any called to account in the GFC? Of course not. That was just an anomaly, a crash no one could have predicted :laugh:
 
I have noted that my cell phone certainly doesn't like cold weather...it drains the battery at an alarming rate.....especially as the phone is a few years old.....it was at 40% charge the other morning and I took it with me when I went for a snowshoe walk (about an hour) and I went to take a picture of the burnt house and the phone was completely dead......it probably would have lasted the rest of the day if it was at room temperatures...
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I mentioned this to my friend who has the Tesla S and he said on a certain scale the same can be said about his car......in the very cold days we've had lately, it has a horrible range....there is a heater for the batteries which takes power and running the cabin heater takes power even though Tesla put in a new (better) cabin heater through a recall.....

He said his range is cut in half during cold days
 
You see the odd tesla out my way, there is money out this way. Every time I pass one I look at the driver and just shake my head. Like the young lad I saw working in the supermarket yesterday, long hair and one side was pink. When I was young dad drowned kittens in a bucket of water, because he knew the world would be a better place without them.

Just random thoughts...
 
When I was young dad drowned kittens in a bucket of water, because he knew the world would be a better place without them.
That's what you share with us about your dad? When you shake your head, do you hear rattling sounds?
 
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