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[TallTom]

Hydrogen

Even the Japanese have thrown that one in the bin. I think it was 18 years ago the Federal government had a small fleet of them in Washington, the refueling station had cost 20 Million or some outrageous figure. All that has been lost down the memory hole now.
There is actually a lot of hydrogen being produced, they make it out of Natural Gas, Brown Hydrogen they call it. Personally I think it would be a lot easier to just burn the NatGas in engines. Certainly a lot cleaner for the environment, and a lot cheaper.

Some old dreams from 2008

https://www.energy.wsu.edu/Documents/OverviewOfHydrogenAndFuelCellsInWashingtonState.pdf

Hydrogen Fuel Cars 2008 – 2009​

Hydrogen Fuel Cars 2008 - 2009 - History | Hydrogen Cars Now

Hydrogen cars in 2008 and 2009 are discussed including both H2 fuel cell vehicles and H2ICE cars plus one land-speed record.

www.hydrogencarsnow.com

General Motors started rolling out the Equinox Fuel Cell SUV in early 2008 as part of its “Project Driveway” program. Under this program 100 hydrogen vehicles are being build and test driven by consumers in the Los Angeles, New York and Washington DC areas.

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We all are aware it's flammable. Lol.

We've come a long way from running around in Hydrogen filled rubber sacks of it. I happen to feel using it in ICE configuration is more practical. We can retrofit cheaper than coming up with fuel cell tech for it.

 

[Oz22]

I happen to feel using it in ICE configuration is more practical. We can retrofit cheaper than coming up with fuel cell tech for it.

So why not just burn the natural gas it's made from? they already do that in ICE, and to good effect. Why convert it to Hydrogen? You know it's explosive, did you know it destroys seals, leaks out of even steel vessels? It's the Houdini of elements.

 

[TallTom]

So why not just burn the natural gas it's made from? they already do that in ICE, and to good effect. Why convert it to Hydrogen? You know it's explosive, did you know it destroys seals, leaks out of even steel vessels? It's the Houdini of elements.

I have no opposition to LNG. It's already being used in a few fleet applications. It's plentiful and yes easier to store. But if you are discussing "green" options hydrogen is better. And while ambitious in today's convo, nuclear power production can yield a lot of Hydrogen.

And we are starting to revisit the idea of returning to nuclear electricity production.

 

[Bumblebee]

I have no opposition to LNG. It's already being used in a few fleet applications. It's plentiful and yes easier to store. But if you are discussing "green" options hydrogen is better. And while ambitious in today's convo, nuclear power production can yield a lot of Hydrogen.

And we are starting to revisit the idea of returning to nuclear electricity production.

Years ago we used to have propane powered staff cars....they sucked with a capital "S."

In cold weather they'd freeze up and they were gutless.....of course they were K Cars after all.....hard to think they replaced full sized Dodge Diplomats...

The part I still laugh about is all the Diplomats were in a big compound getting processed to remove off the base when a reversal order came out to retain them and put the K Cars in the compound for auction.....

 

[TallTom]

Years ago we used to have propane powered staff cars....they sucked with a capital "S."

In cold weather they'd freeze up and they were gutless.....of course they were K Cars after all.....hard to think they replaced full sized Dodge Diplomats...

The part I still laugh about is all the Diplomats were in a big compound getting processed to remove off the base when a reversal order came out to retain them and put the K Cars in the compound for auction.....

I spose Canada will always have its cold issues. That and under the best of its life circumstance, the K Car was pretty much a POS.

I used to have Canada as part of my job responsibilities. As well as upstate NY. A lot of cars freeze up if you let them sit in those winters long enough. I forgot what car it was, but I picked it up at the little airport that I was the only fool flying into there. Let alone reserve a rental car. So they get it up there sometimes well in advance when I reserve it. Not like anyone else will need one. I literally would be the only passenger that would be there besides the people that was flying in the mail.

Brake fluid absorbs water. Get it cold enough and that water forms ice crystals inside the brake lines.

Lots of fun when you go to stop and it keeps right on going across the frozen intersection.

 

[Bumblebee]

I spose Canada will always have its cold issues. That and under the best of its life circumstance, the K Car was pretty much a POS.

I used to have Canada as part of my job responsibilities. As well as upstate NY. A lot of cars freeze up if you let them sit in those winters long enough. I forgot what car it was, but I picked it up at the little airport that I was the only fool flying into there. Let alone reserve a rental car. So they get it up there sometimes well in advance when I reserve it. Not like anyone else will need one. I literally would be the only passenger that would be there besides the people that was flying in the mail.

Brake fluid absorbs water. Get it cold enough and that water forms ice crystals inside the brake lines.

Lots of fun when you go to stop and it keeps right on going across the frozen intersection.

Can you remember where the little place was.....was it in the high north?

I've never had my brake fluid do that and I've driven in some pretty cold weather especially in the arctic.

 

[TallTom]

Can you remember where the little place was.....was it in the high north?

I've never had my brake fluid do that and I've driven in some pretty cold weather especially in the arctic.

Radison or Radisson? Quebec. Way the eff up there. I can't remember how much more north you could go but the Arctic circle was pretty close.

 

[Bumblebee]

Radison or Radisson? Quebec. Way the eff up there. I can't remember how much more north you could go but the Arctic circle was pretty close.

Radisson, that is a long way up there.......

It's a balmy minus 27'C there right now......

I did a 6 month tour in a place called Alert in northern Ellesmere Island.....that was cold there when it was in total darkness...

 

[TallTom]

Radisson, that is a long way up there.......

It's a balmy minus 27'C there right now......

I did a 6 month tour in a place called Alert in northern Ellesmere Island.....that was cold there when it was in total darkness...

Yep. I had to make periodic visits to either fix something broken or just do preventative trips. Can't say that I miss it. I tried to avoid going in winter. But I did what I had to. The last leg of the flight usually got your blood moving. But yeah crazy cold. I remember you have a high of like -14F for like a week sometimes.

Upstate New York could get about as cold.

They had water up there that actually gave it a couple of degrees of help.

 

[TallTom]

Yep. I had to make periodic visits to either fix something broken or just do preventative trips. Can't say that I miss it. I tried to avoid going in winter. But I did what I had to. The last leg of the flight usually got your blood moving. But yeah crazy cold. I remember you have a high of like -14F for like a week sometimes.

Upstate New York could get about as cold.

They had water up there that actually gave it a couple of degrees of help.

I seem to recall they had some Indians or maybe Inuits that used to come to the hotel to get firewater. Lol

 

[TallTom]

 

[Bumblebee]

I saw this video a while back.....shocking.....