lol, that was the question to ask 10 years ago when all this started, it's pretty obvious now what the plan is. You might as well wish for a city on Mars.
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ottafish
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Some excerpts from the local press from a week or so ago - remember we're on summer holidays at the moment
Who would've thought there'd be courses to manage "range anxiety" on long journeys
Electric vehicle owners are being urged to avoid "petrol bowser thinking" when hitting the road this summer to avoid being caught out with a flat battery.
According to the Australian Electric Vehicle Association (AEVA), there are more than 1,000 fast charging stations across the country.
But as electric vehicle owner Paul Tickell discovered on his road trip home to Canberra from Melbourne via the NSW South Coast, it's not always smooth sailing out on the open road.
He experienced firsthand how during peak periods drivers can face long queues for chargers, large distances between stations or arrive to discover the chargers simply aren't working.
AEVA ACT branch member Peter Campbell said that while the vast majority of EV drivers reached their holiday destinations without a hitch, he agreed it was disappointing not all chargers were working as they should be.
"There seemed to be less effort this year put into making sure they were ready to go for that busy period compared with [the] previous year, where the network operators did a good job of making sure they were all online," Mr Campbell said.
Mr Campbell encouraged electric vehicle owners to take up courses — like those offered by AEVA — to learn how to avoid range anxiety on long journeys.
"One of the things we include in our course is to try and get people a bit out of their petrol bowser thinking," Mr Campbell said.
Who would've thought there'd be courses to manage "range anxiety" on long journeys
Electric vehicle owners are being urged to avoid "petrol bowser thinking" when hitting the road this summer to avoid being caught out with a flat battery.
According to the Australian Electric Vehicle Association (AEVA), there are more than 1,000 fast charging stations across the country.
But as electric vehicle owner Paul Tickell discovered on his road trip home to Canberra from Melbourne via the NSW South Coast, it's not always smooth sailing out on the open road.
He experienced firsthand how during peak periods drivers can face long queues for chargers, large distances between stations or arrive to discover the chargers simply aren't working.
AEVA ACT branch member Peter Campbell said that while the vast majority of EV drivers reached their holiday destinations without a hitch, he agreed it was disappointing not all chargers were working as they should be.
"There seemed to be less effort this year put into making sure they were ready to go for that busy period compared with [the] previous year, where the network operators did a good job of making sure they were all online," Mr Campbell said.
Mr Campbell encouraged electric vehicle owners to take up courses — like those offered by AEVA — to learn how to avoid range anxiety on long journeys.
"One of the things we include in our course is to try and get people a bit out of their petrol bowser thinking," Mr Campbell said.
This conversation keeps going in circles. There is a segment of the population for which EV is perfect, better than ICE, so why not success by committee? I could make a little video outlining the faults of ICE vehicles, but they are better for different segment. If a 3rd viable option comes along, let’s keep an open mind, or just keep doing what this thread is doing, basically nothing.
At least the EV thread gets some traffic going on the forum........
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I suppose people don't like something being forced on them that isn't yet viable........which EV aren't..........yet..........
When the time comes that they are better supported, they will be ok........
TallTom
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Hey I posted a video for you earlier that had a little section in it about EVs. The smaller fires of 2020 in Ca had undone 18 years of carbon reduction that had occured in Ca. We haven't even begun to calculate what the current ones will.
So go plug in a Tesla somewhere. They have a lot of catching up to do now.
Between all the global wildfires and volcanoes, there's more than a little hydrocarbons being released into the atmosphere these days....
Kind of scary actually....
I read there were big issues with EV on fire during the LA wildfire....
TallTom
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I haven't been following anything EV past the one thing that I saw about they couldn't evacuate because the EV wouldn't work.
But as you've been told repeatedly here that EVs aren't really a fire concern. So I'm sure what you saw/heard/or think your understood is somebody that has no idea about how EVs work.
The EV were caught in the fires and were burnt as a result.....I read the firefighters had issues with the highly toxic smoke coming off them when they encountered them during firefighting operations....
I do know even ICE vehicles create a very toxic smoke as well but I believe it was the battery material that was the issue in this case.
TallTom
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Yes right now all of that is a toxic soup for air quality. More added hardship for people. Not to mention the lower economic rungs. Not sure they will ever rebound. And you would have a hard time grasping this next part with all the vastness you have in Canada. The amount of debris that will have to be sent somewhere as waste is going to be a challenge. Landfills are scarce, and not near the capacity. It's mountains and bedrock.. So that stuff may have to go to like Nevada or something. 35 years of refuse is all going somewhere in the next couple of years.
It won't be hauled by EVs.
The last part of your sentence; you have acknowledged that EVs are correct for a segment of society, which qualifies it as viable as a form of transportation, no?
Besides, the major manufacturer's plans have been amended, and nobody is being forced to do anything.
OldBusaGuy
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EV's probably don't make sense for everyone right now, but that doesn't mean that they aren't any good for anyone.
And nobody had told me that I need to get rid of my gasoline powered cars and buy an electric one either. Don't like them, don't buy one. It's pretty simple.
And nobody had told me that I need to get rid of my gasoline powered cars and buy an electric one either. Don't like them, don't buy one. It's pretty simple.
Technically an EV would be perfect for a guy like me who's retired and doesn't drive very much....
In my particular case, I have a low mileage 2016 loaded Ram sport that has been paid off for a while now so it makes very little sense for me to buy anything to have it sit in the driveway....
I tried to talk my wife into a hybrid but she wasn't having it, she's more anti-EV than I am for some reason....
Hybrids make sense to me.
Our governing body has stated that by 2030 we will no longer be able to buy a new ICE vehicle....I believe this plan has fallen through but at one time, citizens were facing being forced into an EV.
TallTom
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Another one that was supposed to be wonderful for us.
Calls it a day.
Calls it a day.
Canoo, the electric vehicle startup that was promised $100 million in incentives, files for bankruptcy
Canoo, the electric vehicle startup that once promised to employ thousands of Oklahomans, filed for bankruptcy on Friday.
www.oklahoman.com
Canoo lol. Most of these outfits took billions and hardly made a car. In canoo's case they had some demos and all the workshop staff knew they had to look on the ball when the media came around but otherwise they were doing nothing but watching the share price go down and siphoning money out. Whenever the politicians and intellectuals get on the bandwagon you know you're in a bubble.
https://www.fastcompany.com/9124863...v-chargers-a-week-but-thats-not-nearly-enough
https://www.fastcompany.com/9124863...v-chargers-a-week-but-thats-not-nearly-enough
EV's are all 'pie in the sky'. . . always have been, the environmental damage caused by extracting all the rare earth metals and elements out of the ground (for the batteries) has always been a bone of contention and the very people that want to buy one apparently have a conscience re this point.
Not to mention the short range and long charging period also being a problem.
It is going to be Hydrogen powered vehicles that will win out, and the EV's are a stepping stone to that end.
But the endgame will be 'You'll OWN nothing, and be happy'.
You have passed through the Denial, and then the anger stages, and have reached the "bargaining" stage red. Many EV advocates are arriving there. Now that it's obvious the EV isn't going to replace ICE, and is in fact having serious problems with adoption globally, you are taking the tack that we should all just adopt a neutral thinking, let bygones be bygones. Let's just keep an open mind and work together.
The truth is we are not going around in circles, we are discussing the fact that the entire EV complex is going around, the drain hole, and a lot of it has already gone down. I think it's important to talk about these events since so many people's lives have been disrupted by it. Life savings lost in the pursuit of the Dream. Many people stuck now with impractical vehicles with hardly any resale value. People who bought believing a massive roll out of chargers was coming, only to discover many of their local chargers are now broken or otherwise out of service.
To deny these events is ingenuous, traitorous even. People need to wake up to the fact the Media and Government lies to them at every turn, then when the damage is done they push it all under the rug like nothing happened and move onto the next swindle. A.I. That's the current Swindle, Trillions being poured into overpriced chess computers in the belief that they are going to lift humanity out of our tawdry lifestyles. All it's doing is wasting vast amounts of energy and capital so people can spend $200 more on a smart phone and children can stick forks into power sockets at the behest of deranged computer algorithms like SIRI. Quantum Computing? Even the head of NVIDEA admits it's decades away, he can afford to do that now his company is worth 2 Trillion
TallTom
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Hydrogen 
Even the Japanese have thrown that one in the bin. I think it was 18 years ago the Federal government had a small fleet of them in Washington, the refueling station had cost 20 Million or some outrageous figure. All that has been lost down the memory hole now.
There is actually a lot of hydrogen being produced, they make it out of Natural Gas, Brown Hydrogen they call it. Personally I think it would be a lot easier to just burn the NatGas in engines. Certainly a lot cleaner for the environment, and a lot cheaper.
Some old dreams from 2008
www.hydrogencarsnow.com
General Motors started rolling out the Equinox Fuel Cell SUV in early 2008 as part of its “Project Driveway” program. Under this program 100 hydrogen vehicles are being build and test driven by consumers in the Los Angeles, New York and Washington DC areas.
Even the Japanese have thrown that one in the bin. I think it was 18 years ago the Federal government had a small fleet of them in Washington, the refueling station had cost 20 Million or some outrageous figure. All that has been lost down the memory hole now.
There is actually a lot of hydrogen being produced, they make it out of Natural Gas, Brown Hydrogen they call it. Personally I think it would be a lot easier to just burn the NatGas in engines. Certainly a lot cleaner for the environment, and a lot cheaper.
Some old dreams from 2008
Hydrogen Fuel Cars 2008 – 2009
Hydrogen Fuel Cars 2008 - 2009 - History | Hydrogen Cars Now
Hydrogen cars in 2008 and 2009 are discussed including both H2 fuel cell vehicles and H2ICE cars plus one land-speed record.
www.hydrogencarsnow.com
General Motors started rolling out the Equinox Fuel Cell SUV in early 2008 as part of its “Project Driveway” program. Under this program 100 hydrogen vehicles are being build and test driven by consumers in the Los Angeles, New York and Washington DC areas.
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