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It takes as much or more natural resources to build EV as it does to build ICE...those resources are also finite...

......and we have to look at the big picture and not just North America.....
If you’re advocating back to horse and buggy, I’ll ask you to step around to the Zerks looney bin area.
I put about 2K miles a year on my 4 wheeled vehicles, so I do my part. Can’t say the same about just about everybody else I know. My scooter gets about 70 MPG but the Tuono is a true hot rod.
 
If you’re advocating back to horse and buggy, I’ll ask you to step around to the Zerks looney bin area.
Not at all.....I'm advocating a change to the work/live model to move people closer to where they work instead of the huge sprawl we currently have....even public transit can't manage all the movement each day....

Everyone wants that big, fancy house out on it's own which eats up valuable farm land and creates a real need to commute to their work.

Sitting in an EV out on the hiway in rush hour in the middle of a Canadian winter is pretty stressful, sometimes they sit there for hours creeping along very slowly and then trying to recharge that EV for the commute home is problematic.
 
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Everyone wants that big, fancy house out on it's own which eats up valuable farm land and creates a real need to commute to their work.

Sitting in an EV out on the hiway in rush hour in the middle of a Canadian winter is pretty stressful, sometimes they sit there for hours creeping along very slowly and then trying to recharge that EV for the commute home is problematic.
Everyone, just about everyone, that I know as well. I live right in town, and with the addition of a couple of neighborhood stores I don’t even need a vehicle half the time. I love it, but hardly anyone feels that way, so hopefully EV and ICE technology keeps advancing at the same pace.
 
You mean that gasoline powered cars have unlimited range and don't need to stop for gasoline? That's what it looks like you are saying. When I take long trips, I've always had to plan for getting gasoline. Have you ever driven through New Mexico? You better plan your trip or plan on walking.

As to waiting in lines for plugging an EV in, I've never seen anyone waiting in lines for electric, but I have seen plenty of lines at gas stations over the years. I wait in one almost every time that I fill up at Costco.

I think you should get out more and not just rely on what you hear on the right wing stations.

Of course not - don't take it so literal. :)

What I'm saying is that after all this time, and the technology, that I thought there would have been more development in different forms of technology to replace the ICE in the mainstream - rather than lithium batteries, mining, etc.

What I'm saying is we are the generation where road trips were a thing. A tank of fuel and 700k's covered and a 10 min stop to refuel and stretch the legs and grab a snack. I am referring to the upcoming generation "may not" get to experience the road trip as we know/knew it. THey may, but it will be a different experience.

But, I have very, very rarely, had to line up for fuel. Whereas it's a common thing here as the charging infrastructure hasn't kept up with the demand or to cover the distance into the rural areas. It's common to hear people waiting in line for a charging point - and when they do, suddenly it's an hour gone by the time they get in a charge. AS long as everyone is aware of it, then people will adjust - different times is all.

Just to clarify - I get out and about, and much like Canada and USA, we can and do drive for hours and days and still haven't reached our destination. (hence my comments on the road trip)

And never have nor do I listen to or get involved in anyway with "Right wing" stations
 

I can see this in separatist Quebec and California like British Columbia....

Hybrids are what is making this list stronger...there are lots of hybrids out there, not so much in the province I live in though.

A hybrid would interest me more than a pure EV though.....I kind of like the concept Ram was doing with a self contained hybrid except the fact the ICE engine is disconnected from the power train and is only there to charge the batteries.....all fine and dandy until the battery goes south and then the vehicle dead in the water...at least if the ICE was connected if anything happened to the electric system, a person could still drive somewhere.
 
all fine and dandy until the battery goes south and then the vehicle dead in the water...at least if the ICE was connected if anything happened to the electric system, a person could still drive somewhere.
By the same token the ICE could go bad, or the much more complicated transmission in an ICE vehicle could go bad, doubling the possibility. In town, in an area without horrific cold, an EV is way more prone to dependability, so there is a target segment in society for EV.
Now back to your agenda
 
By the same token the ICE could go bad, or the much more complicated transmission in an ICE vehicle could go bad, doubling the possibility. In town, in an area without horrific cold, an EV is way more prone to dependability, so there is a target segment in society for EV.
Now back to your agenda
The entire Achille's heal of anything EV is the battery system and lack of range.....and with the smaller battery of a hybrid the range is even less.

If I were to have a hybrid, I would want it to be able to be driven via ICE or battery.......similar to the system on my son's Santa Fe hybrid....he can run full EV or a combination giving him very good combined range.

Of course there is a target segment in society for EV.....the same as there is for many other things out there.......

But with those we are given a choice and if the North American governing bodies have their way, that choice will be taken away.....we either go EV....or else....that's the message I'm getting out of at least my government.....
 
Of course there is a target segment in society for EV.....the same as there is for many other things out there.......But with those we are given a choice and if the North American governing bodies have their way, that choice will be taken away.....we either go EV....or else....that's the message I'm getting out of at least my government.....
As the situation unfolds, especially in very cold areas like where you are, you should have a choice.
In my personal normal usage and location, an EV would be perfect. If I hadn't fallen in love with my SL I'd probably be driving a Tesla.
 
If I were to have a hybrid, I would want it to be able to be driven via ICE or battery.......similar to the system on my son's Santa Fe hybrid....he can run full EV or a combination giving him very good combined range.
Just saying, but a hybrid plug in will generally only give us around 20-30 miles extra on a full charge. It is a marketing gimmick.

The whole idea of hybrid is good gas mileage, almost approaching 60mpg on the new Prius, by recapturing energy in motion, when your foot is off the gas pedal.

If you get a change to drive the Santa Fe, put the screen on energy mode, it is pretty neat to watch the energy flow between motor and battery in and out.
 
Just saying, but a hybrid plug in will generally only give us around 20-30 miles extra on a full charge. It is a marketing gimmick.

The whole idea of hybrid is good gas mileage, almost approaching 60mpg on the new Prius, by recapturing energy in motion, when your foot is off the gas pedal.

If you get a change to drive the Santa Fe, put the screen on energy mode, it is pretty neat to watch the energy flow between motor and battery in and out.
I've been in my son's Santa Fe and it is a pretty decent machine....all except without the engine running you don't have heat.....

He gets around 60 kms (40 miles) when it is in full EV mode if he is careful....that's enough to get him back and forth to work and a few errands with using zero fuel.....he said there was a few times where he went well over a month without going to a gas station.

Honestly for what I do, his Santa Fe would be ideal....if Ram or any other company makes a full sized decent hybrid, I would maybe think about it...

The Achille's Heel is my current truck is paid for so owes me nothing and as it has very low kms on it, getting into another payment doesn't appeal to me......what I save on a monthly payment can buy a lot of fuel and as it is, I seldom go to the gas station as I drive so little.

Toyota still makes a premiere hybrid....a neighbor has a Highlander hybrid and they absolutely love it...their daughter has a Rav 4 hybrid and she feels the same way about it....
 
This was one of my talking points from the very beginning of this thread.......the lack of infrastructure to support the roll out of EV......it's almost like it was rushed and forced before any real thought went into it.

Governments of various countries knew EV were coming yet didn't bolster the power grids nor put any real thought into recharge stations nor making sure auto companies who produce these EV are capable of repair or maintain or recycle them....

What could be expected other than push back.....


But...weren't you the thread villian for pointing out that the infastructure isn't there?
At least a 130 odd pages later the point is beginning to be accepted.
Persiverance!
lmao
 
An assumption nearly everyone makes is that the world will only get better, technology will always improve things. If you challenge this belief you're viewed as doomer and a Luddite, but the fact is the Earth does have limited resources, and one day we will have to cease our suburban sprawl and profligate consumption. Intelligent men and women of science have been pointing this out for centuries actually :D

The motorcycles we ride today are vastly superior to the ones I saw in the dealerships in the 1970's as a teenage boy. But the roads in general are vastly inferior to those back then. A lot of those blacktop roads were only 20 or 30 years old, older ones hadn't suffered the degradation caused by today's massive trucks either. Every now and then they rebuild a highway from scratch, making it wider, better. But the thousands of other roads out in the countryside and around the cities never see a rebuild, they are only ever patched, small sections rebuilt. Ever more expensive resources, Oil mostly I suspect, and lack of money are the reason.

Honestly, our current civilization was a one shot affair, a 100 year experiment using oil and oil based machinery to pave roads and build concrete bridges etc. No one has ever provided a plan on how to rebuild all this stuff without that cheap oil and coal and that is why I dismiss these future utopian transitions as delusional garbage. You don't have to have a STEM background to come to this conclusion, it's common sense.


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But...weren't you the thread villian for pointing out that the infastructure isn't there?
At least a 130 odd pages later the point is beginning to be accepted.
Persiverance!
lmao
I appear to be the thread villain in many threads these days.....it's hard to keep up as to which one.
 
A thinking person today is up against a wall of Bull$hit that the average man laps up like a kitten laps milk. Here's the latest.
Quantum Computing! Buzz Buzz Buzz,

IonQ, Rigetti Computing, D-Wave Quantum, and Quantum Computing tumbled in premarket trading in New York on Wednesday after Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang stated that "very useful" quantum computers are years out... During a question-and-answer session during Nvidia's analyst day event, Evercore's Mark Lipacis asked Huang: Jensen replied, "If you kind of said 15 years for very useful quantum computers, that would probably be on the early side. If you said 30, it's probably on the late side." zerohedge.com/markets/quantum-computing-stocks-plunge-after-nvidia-ceo-comments

So now the experts who were pushing it admit it's in the league of fusion power systems, 20 years in the future. Why did they come out 5 years ago and tell us it was on the doorstep? $$$$ of course. They made bucket loads of money, just like the sellers of EV. You think the CEO's of all those failed EV manufacturers are bankrupt themselves? Think again. They gave themselves Huge golden Parachutes, just like that toad that started WeWork, he walked away from the ashes with Billions. Don't be fooled by the 100 Billion~500 Billion company valuations, that's just stockmarket bubble nonsense. If a man walks away with even just 5 Billion he's set for life. Private Yachts and jets, as many luxury homes as he wants.

Why anyone believes anything touted in the mass media today is the great mystery as far as I'm concerned. The whole of western civilization is in the process of cannibalizing itself and yet I'm led to believe one old man is going to turn the tide and Make a Nation Great Again? Pleeeeze :rolleyes:
 
You must be on to something then...
It seems more times than not, resistance and push back is the hardest when faced with the truth...
According to the famous quote by philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, "All truth passes through three stages": First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident.
 
I've been in my son's Santa Fe and it is a pretty decent machine....all except without the engine running you don't have heat.....

He gets around 60 kms (40 miles) when it is in full EV mode if he is careful....that's enough to get him back and forth to work and a few errands with using zero fuel.....he said there was a few times where he went well over a month without going to a gas station.

Honestly for what I do, his Santa Fe would be ideal....if Ram or any other company makes a full sized decent hybrid, I would maybe think about it...

The Achille's Heel is my current truck is paid for so owes me nothing and as it has very low kms on it, getting into another payment doesn't appeal to me......what I save on a monthly payment can buy a lot of fuel and as it is, I seldom go to the gas station as I drive so little.

Toyota still makes a premiere hybrid....a neighbor has a Highlander hybrid and they absolutely love it...their daughter has a Rav 4 hybrid and she feels the same way about it....
Interesting.

That is great for the plug in hybrid.

The Prius I had, to drive battery only, I had to be slower than a 100 year old grandpa, otherwise the motor would kick in.
 
Particularly when the lesser educated ones are smarter than the higher educated ones.
I have noticed something over my life, people who are very smart in one field tend to think that makes them smart in other non-related fields. Like a technician I knew, a Wizard with an oscilloscope and a soldering iron who also thought he qualified as a builder. The structures he built were disasters but he kept at it, never connecting the dots? Teachers are the obvious example, oh they are so smart, but basically they just regurgitate the same stuff they learnt in highschool, stuff we all know turned out to be near worthless in the real world. I knew a sales engineer too, he'd forgotten more than he'd learnt after 40 years in sales but was convinced he was a financial expert. The GFC took half his wealth, if it wasn't for the houses he'd bought idling away in the background he'd have a very ordinary retirement now.

Actual smart people seek counsel, safety in a multitude of counselors the old saying goes. Even when I'm working on a bike I like to have a buddy looking over my shoulder. I know more than him but he sees things I miss, like bolting a coil pack on before I screw down all the other parts and put the airbox on. He saved me half an hour that night :D
 
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