Did you tell him he's sitting on the wrong side of the car?
My friend's Tesla S is a serious car but he has started to hate it.
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My friend's Tesla S is a serious car but he has started to hate it.
China is joining the EV party real fast.
www.bbc.com
China EV maker BYD closes in on Tesla as sales jump
Chinese firm got a boost from subsidies encouraging consumers to replace old cars with greener ones.
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They certainly are......and have been for some time......China is joining the EV party real fast.
China EV maker BYD closes in on Tesla as sales jump
Chinese firm got a boost from subsidies encouraging consumers to replace old cars with greener ones.
A video I watched explained why the Chinese are working so hard on developing EV because they are worried about their supply of fossil fuel in the event of a war.
Zerks
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It is going to be real interesting if a new high tech technology shows up that makes EVs obsolete.
It definitely seems like the "Great Transition" is dead in the water. All I read now are stories of EV companies going into insolvency. I think when Hertz began selling off their fleet of EV the writing was on the wall. What does it matter what individual owners say? Today people sleep with their dogs, Sell their homes in old age to move near their grandchildren and 100 other dubious activities. The opinion of average consumers are meaningless as far as technological change is concerned, they'll go in whatever direction the marketing points them and to my mind they just haven't woken up yet to reality. At a time in history when we should be building reliable stuff with the last of the earth's resources we're building junk and building stuff with shorter and shorter lifespans 
For starters a hybrid is not an EV, it's a car with an internal combustion engine. It's a gasoline powered vehicle with an electric component. The reason why the eia includes them is because without them the figures would look disastrous. But the opening title says it all. "U.S. share of electric and hybrid vehicle sales reached a record".
The real problem with hybrids won't be evident for many until the battery dies. Then people will discover that the gutless little atkinsons cycle engine won't pull the skin off a rice pudding without electric augmentation. So no overtaking and no powering up steep hills. Now imagine you're in an old one with a nearly rooted battery. You pull out to overtake a long truck and halfway past the electric motor cuts out
What is the hybrid? Green washing basically, a little city car that would be efficient if it was plugin and if you had a roof covered in solar. But plugin sales are the lowest of all categories oddly enough? My brother bought a non-plugin one and thought it charged solely off regenerative braking. What a tosser, I explained that it charged off the Gasoline engine via the electric motor/alternator. He didn't believe me until I showed him on the Toyota website. Even then he didn't want to believe it, it wasn't what the salesman had told him and not what he'd read in all the EVfanboi articles online. The entire EV complex is built on Lies, that's why it's doomed.
OldBusaGuy
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Flying saucers?
EV have nothing to do with saving the climate and everything to do with power and money.....For starters a hybrid is not an EV, it's a car with an internal combustion engine. It's a gasoline powered vehicle with an electric component. The reason why the eia includes them is because without them the figures would look disastrous. But the opening title says it all. "U.S. share of electric and hybrid vehicle sales reached a record".
The real problem with hybrids won't be evident for many until the battery dies. Then people will discover that the gutless little atkinsons cycle engine won't pull the skin off a rice pudding without electric augmentation. So no overtaking and no powering up steep hills. Now imagine you're in an old one with a nearly rooted battery. You pull out to overtake a long truck and halfway past the electric motor cuts out
What is the hybrid? Green washing basically, a little city car that would be efficient if it was plugin and if you had a roof covered in solar. But plugin sales are the lowest of all categories oddly enough? My brother bought a non-plugin one and thought it charged solely off regenerative braking. What a tosser, I explained that it charged off the Gasoline engine via the electric motor/alternator. He didn't believe me until I showed him on the Toyota website. Even then he didn't want to believe it, it wasn't what the salesman had told him and not what he'd read in all the EVfanboi articles online. The entire EV complex is built on Lies, that's why it's doomed.
I like the idea of a hybrid but agree with you as to their longevity.....I know most only have a short range on battery power alone then it automatically switches to ICE....at least in the Korean units (Hyundai and Kia). Toyota has a decent system it seems.
ottafish
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One of my friends has just bought a Tesla
Talk about soulless
Anyway, I find it ludicrous that we went from horse and cart, with planned trips, changing stations for the horses, and limited range.
And after all this time, with such technological development and propellor heads, that we will be returning to that process again.
Plan your trip around charging locations.
Every stop becomes an hour or more as you wait for a spot, then a charge.
Stop for the night and stable the car by plugging it in.
Our generation of the ‘road trip’ days will have the best memories..
A tank of gas, selection of music, snacks and a open road ahead for hours.
Yeah full EV isn’t the answer. Especially in massive big countries
Talk about soulless
Anyway, I find it ludicrous that we went from horse and cart, with planned trips, changing stations for the horses, and limited range.
And after all this time, with such technological development and propellor heads, that we will be returning to that process again.
Plan your trip around charging locations.
Every stop becomes an hour or more as you wait for a spot, then a charge.
Stop for the night and stable the car by plugging it in.
Our generation of the ‘road trip’ days will have the best memories..
A tank of gas, selection of music, snacks and a open road ahead for hours.
Yeah full EV isn’t the answer. Especially in massive big countries
Hybrids should really be on a thread of their own, not on the EV thread. It's like having a thread about liter bikes and people keep posting stuff about 250cc machines. But that's the marketing for you, the industry wide marketing that is. Funny thing is just two years ago the blabber was all about new factories and expanding supercharger networks, long haul EV trucks and EV motorcycles. All that's gone now? Factories are closing and charger networks are falling into disrepair and I see no long haul EV on the horizon.
It's a huge kick in the teeth for the entire industry but the fanboi simply ignore all of that and cling to some sketchy sales figures as though things are still normal and on track. "A bump in the road" is the media lingo for it. So what if some lemmings are buying up before the Trump hammer falls, it means little when the world market is now dominated by sales in China and sales of cheap @rse chinese rubbish elsewhere. US sales, they hardly matter in the scheme of things. Tesla? It's a cult, the cult of Elon musk. I swear if he offered his daily turd for sale there would be a Que a mile long for the privilege of owning a little bit of Musk
Even in the hybrid world there are varying models, some drive using electric motors with an ICE engine present to only charge the battery while others work in conjunction to each other with electric motors driving along with an ICE included in the powertrain...Hybrids should really be on a thread of their own, not on the EV thread. It's like having a thread about liter bikes and people keep posting stuff about 250cc machines. But that's the marketing for you, the industry wide marketing that is. Funny thing is just two years ago the blabber was all about new factories and expanding supercharger networks, long haul EV trucks and EV motorcycles. All that's gone now? Factories are closing and charger networks are falling into disrepair and I see no long haul EV on the horizon.
It's a huge kick in the teeth for the entire industry but the fanboi simply ignore all of that and cling to some sketchy sales figures as though things are still normal and on track. "A bump in the road" is the media lingo for it. So what if some lemmings are buying up before the Trump hammer falls, it means little when the world market is now dominated by sales in China and sales of cheap @rse chinese rubbish elsewhere. US sales, they hardly matter in the scheme of things. Tesla? It's a cult, the cult of Elon musk. I swear if he offered his daily turd for sale there would be a Que a mile long for the privilege of owning a little bit of Musk
There was a Tesla featured in an article boasting of having a million miles on it...what wasn't said was that it had several battery and motor changes....and we all know those are not simple, inexpensive ventures.....
Zerks
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Those flying saucers showed up a long time ago... try to keep up...
OldBusaGuy
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You mean that gasoline powered cars have unlimited range and don't need to stop for gasoline? That's what it looks like you are saying. When I take long trips, I've always had to plan for getting gasoline. Have you ever driven through New Mexico? You better plan your trip or plan on walking.
As to waiting in lines for plugging an EV in, I've never seen anyone waiting in lines for electric, but I have seen plenty of lines at gas stations over the years. I wait in one almost every time that I fill up at Costco.
I think you should get out more and not just rely on what you hear on the right wing stations.
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I haven't seen them replace any electric vehicles or any other vehicles for that matter.
Try owning one in the cold country for a while...people here who have them are dumping them the first chance they get.
....and even then, they aren't worth anything on a trade in...dealerships are sending them right to auction.
Imagine for a moment hooking the tailpipe of every ICE vehicle in the world to a giant balloon. Imagine how big that balloon would become, continually growing, and what is inside of it. Modern electric vehicles are in their infancy. Solid state battery technology picked up a lot of steam about 5 years ago and in my opinion will change the game. It's not us or our kids we need to worry about. It's the grandkids and so on.
EDIT: Never mind, I caught myself trying to convince you again. My bad.
We've been around this tree several times.....
I still say human beings need to change our ways more than we need to change our mode of transportation.....we've developed urban sprawl to such a point that commutes from home to work is measured in hour increments......it doesn't matter what powers this commute, it's still not good for the climate.
How about both? Equally.
It takes as much or more natural resources to build EV as it does to build ICE...those resources are also finite...
......and we have to look at the big picture and not just North America.....
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