michael parris heuberger
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Hi. If they say we will only sell EV's we will all be all walking soon.
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I think ICE vehicles will be around for a while yet....they will just cost more to fuel up as time goes by kind of forcing people to look more into EV....
People will simply have to adjust how, when and where they drive....Germany is already looking into this:
German minister threatens ‘indefinite driving bans’ on weekends
The ruling coalition has been fighting over legislation that sets out binding climate targets.
www.politico.eu
michael parris heuberger
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Hi. What do you think it will cost to charge am EV in 2030? A lot more than gas now I think.I think ICE vehicles will be around for a while yet....they will just cost more to fuel up as time goes by kind of forcing people to look more into EV....
People will simply have to adjust how, when and where they drive....Germany is already looking into this:
German minister threatens ‘indefinite driving bans’ on weekends
The ruling coalition has been fighting over legislation that sets out binding climate targets.
TallTom
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As long as it's good for our environment, cost is of no concern.
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That's sarcasm for the slower ones.
RacingJake
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LOL ! Just like the guy that runs out of gas walking down the road with a gas can. Soon will see a guy walking down the road with a very, very long extension cord.
RacingJake
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There's four of us in my family so I would need 4 chargers, plus not knowing when chit hit's the fan they would need to be charged 100% cause you can't charge them up faster than filling up a tank of gas. Come Summer time I would have one heck of an electric bill.
I like to know when EV's will be paying that road tax and if your Home insurance company will require some type of fire insurance just in case you EV burns down your house ?
Resistance to change is a centuries old phenomena. That said, not sure I would ever own an EV, but who knows what the future holds.
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RacingJake
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Turning 64 in June and I agree ! I've never bought a new car and even back in the old days I thought 10K was too much, but my time has come and gone and I don't need to learn a new trick lol.Resistance to change is a centuries old phenomena. That said, not sure I would ever own an EV, but who knows what the future holds.
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EV and the day of horses is not comparable....we now have a superior mode of transportation in ICE vehicles.....EV are a lateral move not an ascending one.....Resistance to change is a centuries old phenomena. That said, not sure I would ever own an EV, but who knows what the future holds.
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Once EV becomes the primary mode of personal transport and overshadows ICE, the limiters will be off as to what level the electric companies will raise their rates......all bets will be off then......
Well when you understand how money works that all makes sense. $35 Trillion in debt now and $1 Trillion in interest repayments this year. That's greater than the SS budget, and where does it come from? Creating new debt of course. You sell 100 Billion in treasuries and skim off 10 or 15 to go towards the interest direct, the rest is given to local companies and then tax is earned off profit's, wages, etc. There is no breaking even, there is no paying back, just a classic collapse of the currency and a writing off of the debt sometime in the near future. People have been known to do it with CC's. Max one out, then get another to keep spending and make the minimum payment on the others. Then one day, Shazam, they declare bankrupt.
Horses were superior back then. Then evolution turned them into leisure and replaced them with motorized transport.
Karl Benz’s first car had a top speed of 16km/h, horses were faster, the Benz was descending as opposed to ascending.
If one looks at the exponential development in the past 100 years, we can only imagine what will happen in the next 100. Population in the first world seems to be decreasing, perhaps the future is similar to some cities in Europe where 60% of the population do not own cars.
I have just done a job for an Amercan Russian lady, been here 20 years, she is 56 a physician. In Russia, never owned a car, never had a drivers license she could not qualify for one. Was taught to drive over here.
And EV are not superior to what we have right now...that was the point I'm making...
If anything EV are a lateral move and if anything are inferior to ICE.
EV have been around as long as ICE have and have come and gone several times over the years.
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Just bought my second EV. Best thing since sliced bread for commuting! Also still a strong push for EV in the commercial sector. Speaking of good news check this out Rivian to add 550 jobs with $827M incentive package from Illinois
LOL, we just gotta love this thread.
TallTom
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Score a deal from the Hertz fleet liquidation?
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not a Tesla guy. They have a long way to go in the build quality department and for that kind of money, it should be better than what it is. Bought a Kia niro. Chevy bolt would have been my first pick but I got such a good deal I couldn’t say no. I’ll buy the R2 as soon as it becomes available!
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We can agree on Tesla and it's quality issues.
And the batteries have always been the deal breaker for them, Weight and charging time. This go around the technology is a lot better, but still reaches nowhere near ice for range and quick reliable fill-ups. Technology, it's mesmerizing for many, like magic was to the ancients. I even feel it a bit when I bought my new phone, the Galaxy A55, moving up from an S5. Then comes the setup, 'do you allow notifications' No. Do you allow... No No. First thing I do is Download firefox, then add uBlock Origin, I hate ads!!! My setup is still in progress and probably always will be because it's got to the 'Google Services' page when I have to agree to the automatic download of apps and updates. No options, we're in control.
Once I allowed this crap on an older phone and came to regret it, same with computers. I'm on win-7 pro here and the remote registry and automatic updates have been disabled since day one, many years ago. Never had an issue, always fast and reliable like my Hayabusa GII. I could only imagine the angst Tesla owners had when that 'update' came through that shortened their range, so as to give the battery a longer life, so as to cut down on warranty claims. I love my Hayabusa, no tricks up its sleeve.
Did I mention that the Hayabusa is fast and reliable? It really is the state of the art for me, for someone who can live without magic.
Claude J. Greengrass
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You're triggering a huge discussion. In short, the more "facilities" one is seeking in life the less control one's life is bound to have. Trouble is that the deep state (or establishment, in the sense of declared and undeclared public-business partnerships) is pushing and luring people exactly like in Pinocchio's tale with the donkeys' island. But perhaps this is how the human ecosystem works, and to my idea, it is about a self-destruction mechanism, like ageing, to protect the survival of the next generations, because once we all are intelligent, productive, mentally sane and genuinely good, we will exhaust all the available earthy resources (do I sound as a depopulation theorist?)
But everything is relative. 20 years ago I was firmly stating that once I become financially strong, I would purchase and old car (of the sixties or seventies), fix it and drive it, no electronics' crap, fit for repairs by traditional mechanics, no OBDII interface etc. Then it happened to me, in the summer, windows open, being behind such an admirable antique, a Triumph Herald convertible, obviously with black plates (in Europe it is the habit to distinguish modern from ancient also in the license plate).
You cannot imagine the sort of crap its exhaust pipe would let out.
By that moment, my nostalgia departed for indefinite holidays and I understood that whimpering over the past is a non-maturity sign.
Regarding Windows and modern "technology" (especially artificial intelligence promoted by champions of natural stupidity) there other ways too, once comfortable with computers, and one is Linux: stable, free, not interesting to hackers, fraudsters etc and easy to manage, being based on configuration files, instead of hidden/encrypted definitions like registry.
I work for the public (no more details to not face disciplinary proceedings) and I am constantly frustrated by charging the citizens with unnecessary 'security' guarantees, that frequently make applications inaccessible. I am frustrated by the unconditional outsourcing of HUGE infrastructure and services to the monopolies (Gxxxle.com, Amxxxn.com, Mixxxxxxt.com, Orxxxe.com) for the sake of economies, where the politicians behind are NEVER held accountable for the criminal damage inflicted before and while these economies are NEVER proven, and senior professionals are labeled 'old school', 'not up to modern technologies' etc.
While in an interview I was asked about cloud technologies. My answer, "one needs to study the organization to make decisions" horrified the IT head (obviously without IT skills and experience) and I was put outside the candidates' short list.
But these phenomena I already experienced in large manufacturing companies like GM for instance, so there is a dependency with size.
In conclusion, it boils down to the human nature, as expressed by the movements and governance (administration, management, manipulation, whatever) and this will explain the mandate voters give to politicians, who in turn are always open to systemic or financial corruption.
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