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Real estate is unique! It's the largest store of value on the planet, greatest for the individual working classes. It's also a pie that has the most hands grabbing at it. Banks foremost, for many creating the debts for it is their main income. Government next with all it's taxes, then probably Wall street types securitizing all the debt that is then sold back, laughingly, to the very people that took out the loans, sold into the private pension funds of the working class. The real estate sellers, and insurance firms, builders, infrastructure providers, architects, engineers, surveyors, all the way down the line to lawn mowers and driveway washers. What a Cash Cow! And all the way down everyone is trying to screw more and more out of them, which is natural, because we all want a good income, we all want to move up the ladder. The Sick Care industry is just as bad now, totally corrupt.
 
This is an interesting development, surprised it hasn't been posted here yet, 7 day old news.

Several leaders of Tesla’s Supercharger team posted social media messages saying they were told Monday night that entire group of about 500 had been laid off by CEO Musk... Unfortunately the charging organization at Tesla is no more,” Lane Chaplin, who identified himself at a former leader of Tesla real estate acquisition for charging in North America, posed on LinkedIn.

Nearly all other automakers selling electric vehicles in the U.S. have signed up to join Tesla’s Supercharger network, which has the most plugs of any network in the nation. It also has stations strategically located along interstate highways and other travel corridors.
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I read elsewhere that he was stepping back from new development and allowing other companies to step in but no mention of who. Anyone have any thoughts as to where this is going? Some are calling one of the biggest blows to EV adoption in years.
 
Oz22 said:
This is an interesting development, surprised it hasn't been posted here yet, 7 day old news.



I read elsewhere that he was stepping back from new development and allowing other companies to step in but no mention of who. Anyone have any thoughts as to where this is going? Some are calling one of the biggest blows to EV adoption in years.
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@TallTom posted this in post #1858

It was an eyeopener for sure and a sign of things to come for Tesla....

If we look back on the introduction of ICE manufacturers, there sure were a lot of them but many were either gobbled up by larger ones or went bankrupt.....over time, some EV manufacturers will suffer the same fate.
 
Bumblebee said:
@TallTom posted this in post #1858

It was an eyeopener for sure and a sign of things to come for Tesla....

If we look back on the introduction of ICE manufacturers, there sure were a lot of them but many were either gobbled up by larger ones or went bankrupt.....over time, some EV manufacturers will suffer the same fate.
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Musk has said all along he has open sourced his EV technologies in an effort to make EVs an easier path to bring into production. Love him or hate him for that, he is ideologically committed to a cleaner planet.

Unfortunately even if you give it away, it's doesn't make it a solution. It still cost more to produce it.

Now it's becoming apparent that Musk has squeezed this lemon for about as much juice there is. Tesla is faltering. Economies are tough. The world is hurting.

And Musk has bigger and better things to do like Space X, Starlink etc.

I see he has started a .99% interest rate to move a Model Y. At .99% it's still going to be a $600/mth note. And you haven't gotten insurance yet.
 
If the other charger companies can't take up the challenge of a nationwide build-out, and there is evidence many are in deep financial trouble, then the EV will be relegated to near city usage. If there was money to be made I doubt muck would have abandoned the national infrastructure project. I suppose now it's up to the President to do it, he promise such a move. On the EV forums there is a lot of chatter along the lines of "Who needs them anyway, most of us charge at home"

Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years
 
Oz22 said:
If the other charger companies can't take up the challenge of a nationwide build-out, and there is evidence many are in deep financial trouble, then the EV will be relegated to near city usage. If there was money to be made I doubt muck would have abandoned the national infrastructure project. I suppose now it's up to the President to do it, he promise such a move. On the EV forums there is a lot of chatter along the lines of "Who needs them anyway, most of us charge at home"

Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years
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Not a problem. Just collect more taxes.

/sarcasm for the slower ones

There was an estimate that for the U.S. to go green would take $50T. That may just be enough to build half the needed charging stations at this rate.
 
In related news. Biden just made a $10K Chinese EV get to 40K with 100% tariff announcement.

LOL.

So now even the cheap entry Chinese EV will be expensive. And I can't imagine they will be easy to keep parts for.
 
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TallTom said:
Musk has said all along he has open sourced his EV technologies in an effort to make EVs an easier path to bring into production. Love him or hate him for that, he is ideologically committed to a cleaner planet.

Unfortunately even if you give it away, it's doesn't make it a solution. It still cost more to produce it.

Now it's becoming apparent that Musk has squeezed this lemon for about as much juice there is. Tesla is faltering. Economies are tough. The world is hurting.

And Musk has bigger and better things to do like Space X, Starlink etc.

I see he has started a .99% interest rate to move a Model Y. At .99% it's still going to be a $600/mth note. And you haven't gotten insurance yet.
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This is false. You cannot receive any Tesla IP without giving Tesla something in return. Try to find motor and inverter design or the vehicle HMI integration schema.
Musk made the drastic decision to cut the entire charging team because the director refused to cut the requested 10%.
SpaceX has its own issues. The real issue with Tesla is that Musk as alienated his key demographic. You can’t berate your customer base and expect them to keep buying your product.
“Go red, company dead” in the EV space anyhow
 
Red05 said:
If Trump made that move the conservatives would praise it. The political landscape in this country is so screwed up it'll probably never get fixed.
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Meanwhile GM releases another 50k base price EV. I hope Rivian can hang in long enough for R3 to get to production. It should be affordable, practical, reliable and American made!
 
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This is false. You cannot receive any Tesla IP without giving Tesla something in return. Try to find motor and inverter design or the vehicle HMI integration schema.
Musk made the drastic decision to cut the entire charging team because the director refused to cut the requested 10%.
SpaceX has its own issues. The real issue with Tesla is that Musk as alienated his key demographic. You can’t berate your customer base and expect them to keep buying your product.
“Go red, company dead” in the EV space anyhow
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He has been effing over his Tesla customers long before he bought X. He was the Woke Messiah and they matched off the cliff like lemmings. But yeah Musk didn't help Tesla by buying a woke social network platform and call it's users unflattering names. No matter how truthful he was.

Cults are a pretty fickle lot.
 
Funny how a year changes things isn't it? Imagine us a year ago suggesting Tesla would abandon it's charging network, that sales would be in decline, Companies stocks plummeting. Ha, we'd be laughed to scorn. But here we are. There is a 'thing' called recency bias that we humans suffer from, we tend to think the future will be like the immediate past. We have trouble letting go.

I had nothing to let go of in this case as I was always a skeptic, I always believed the EV was over-hyped, that there would be no Great transition as the politicians and corporate execs claimed. Of course many fanboi agree with that now, how could they not? They would look like total idiots if they still suggested we'd go all in by 2030. Well we have almost reached the stage I assumed would be the final end point of EV adoption, one where the wealthy middle class who could afford them as a toy and could charge them at home alongside their Tesla PowerWall will be the future market. Probably 0.2~ 1% of homeowners, declining as the global economy continues to contract.

Now it's just for those who put some of their retirement savings into these schemes to redraw the spreadsheet and see what they are going to have to do without in their retirement.
 
TallTom said:
$130,000 loss PER VEHICLE!??! Holy crap!!!
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It's pretty much the same across the board with all makers, they have been using investment cash to cover up the losses. I really don't believe a lot of the startups expected costs to drop in the years ahead. That was just marketing talk to keep the cash flowing in. I think most of the people in this racket knew their companies would ultimately collapse, all they wanted was a gravy train for a few years, a Golden Parachute. Honestly, do we really believe these Turds that crawl out of obscurity and promise rainbows for all, only to disappear with a few Billion? That's been going on since before I was born, how gullible are you...
 
Oz22 said:
Funny how a year changes things isn't it? Imagine us a year ago suggesting Tesla would abandon it's charging network, that sales would be in decline, Companies stocks plummeting. Ha, we'd be laughed to scorn. But here we are. There is a 'thing' called recency bias that we humans suffer from, we tend to think the future will be like the immediate past. We have trouble letting go.

I had nothing to let go of in this case as I was always a skeptic, I always believed the EV was over-hyped, that there would be no Great transition as the politicians and corporate execs claimed. Of course many fanboi agree with that now, how could they not? They would look like total idiots if they still suggested we'd go all in by 2030. Well we have almost reached the stage I assumed would be the final end point of EV adoption, one where the wealthy middle class who could afford them as a toy and could charge them at home alongside their Tesla PowerWall will be the future market. Probably 0.2~ 1% of homeowners, declining as the global economy continues to contract.

Now it's just for those who put some of their retirement savings into these schemes to redraw the spreadsheet and see what they are going to have to do without in their retirement.
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If you were here a year ago some of us were suggesting all of this. And yeah the calculator jockey's did their best to tell us we were just not educated enough to understand.
 
Oz22 said:
It's pretty much the same across the board with all makers, they have been using investment cash to cover up the losses. I really don't believe a lot of the startups expected costs to drop in the years ahead. That was just marketing talk to keep the cash flowing in. I think most of the people in this racket knew their companies would ultimately collapse, all they wanted was a gravy train for a few years, a Golden Parachute. Honestly, do we really believe these Turds that crawl out of obscurity and promise rainbows for all, only to disappear with a few Billion? That's been going on since before I was born, how gullible are you...
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Musk was brilliant in a few ways. One of which was, if we can call this a car we can sell carbon credits the government gives us. He made billions on just that part. Carbon credits are sold to polluters for cash. Doesn't mean they are cleaner.

carboncredits.com

Tesla Hits Record High Sales from Carbon Credits at $1.79B

Learn how Tesla's carbon credit sales defy expectations, driving its financial success amid tightening emissions regulations and competition.
carboncredits.com carboncredits.com
 
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TallTom said:
Musk was brilliant in a few ways. One of which was, if we can call this a car we can sell carbon credits the government gives us. He made billions on just that part. Carbon credits are sold to polluters for cash. Doesn't mean they are cleaner.
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Hi. It kooks like 6.000.000 years ago it was 6 or 7 ° warmer on arvarage that it is now. So why. No cars no people.
 
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