Gen3 quick shifter doesnt work like its supposed

[TonyM995]

I know its been discused a few times before but i have to make it clear the quick shifter on gen 3 its a scam it doesnt work right come on guys give me a green light what else can we do to make it work?

Mine has been mostly flawless. I have had a delay in up shifting once or twice. Nothing enough to complain about or even mention to friends.

If you want you could reverse engineer the entire system like what Boosted by Smith is doing. Learn about the sensor and what signals it’s sending. The ecu reads this sensor as an input.

Then you’d have to figure the output- what signals the ecu is sending and where. These work by cutting ignition or fuel but I don’t care enough to research which Suzuki has used. It can all be reverse engineered. That’s how Woolich made their own QS.

It seems like people are making this more than what it really is. Same with the front brakes. My front brakes were fine but with the design I could easily see some bikes having air in the brake lines from the factory.

I’m extremely happy with my Gen 3.

Even one of my best friends who is a self proclaimed “ergo snob” really enjoyed riding it. He loves his Triumph bikes and stuff more ergonomic oriented.

 

[Robert 0046]

I'm not really an angry person, lol...I just hate that Suzuki is doing nothing about major issues...and on im turning it of and the bike works great

It works for me fine. When shifting to a higher gear keep on the throttle and it shifts fine. When down shifting release the throttle for a tenth of a secon and down shift

Thats not the problem i know how to use it is the QS sistem it has a delay

 

[Robert 0046]

It works for me fine. When shifting to a higher gear keep on the throttle and it shifts fine. When down shifting release the throttle for a tenth of a secon and down shift

Youre lucky

 

[Bumblebee]

I echo the words of @sixpack577 it is disturbing that Suzuki hasn't researched and come up with a solution to the gremlins affecting their flagship bike which is world re-known....

Brake issues, quick shifter issues and hot start issues should not be what new owners are discussing with a bike under warranty. It's almost as if a bike that took 12 yrs to be introduced into the market was rushed.

 

[Busa3Fan]

I totally agree that Suzuki should have launched a bike that runs perfectly but have in mind that Bmw celebrated 30 years of GS and the 1250 GSA has a quickshifter that I can rarely use and which I started not to use as it is awesome to use the clutch and not have all the bumps I get from using the quickshifter.

My Busa has only the quickshifter issue from time to time; the hot restart and brakes problems are not present on my bike.

Hayabusa was 16.500 euro vat included and the GS 1250 30 years edition was 25.400 euro vat included.

And the quickshifter is not the only issue in my 1250 GSA 30 years edition:

- bad battery was replaced on warranty - 7 days my bike was at the Bmw dealership - no replacement bike - in full summer
- OEM app is not working every time I ride the bike
- bluetooth connection has lots of errors and from time to time I cannot respond to calls
- Akrapovic exhaust which came from factory melted a part of the license plate holder and I was about to lose the license plate
- OEM alarm is worse than my 20 euro alarm bought from Amazon for my Suzuki

I expected a lot more from the Bmw, and this is not my first Bmw bike.

The other one had a much worse issue - it was rarely starting from the first time. There were times in the summer in which it started 3rd or 4th time of trying.

Both Bmw bikes were bought new.

In my opinion, all bikes have issues that we have to live with.

There is no perfection.

 

[Bumblebee]

I totally agree that Suzuki should have launched a bike that runs perfectly but have in mind that Bmw celebrated 30 years of GS and the 1250 GSA has a quickshifter that I can rarely use and which I started not to use as it is awesome to use the clutch and not have all the bumps I get from using the quickshifter.

My Busa has only the quickshifter issue from time to time; the hot restart and brakes problems are not present on my bike.

Hayabusa was 16.500 euro vat included and the GS 1250 30 years edition was 25.400 euro vat included.

And the quickshifter is not the only issue in my 1250 GSA 30 years edition:

- bad battery was replaced on warranty - 7 days my bike was at the Bmw dealership - no replacement bike - in full summer
- OEM app is not working every time I ride the bike
- bluetooth connection has lots of errors and from time to time I cannot respond to calls
- Akrapovic exhaust which came from factory melted a part of the license plate holder and I was about to lose the license plate
- OEM alarm is worse than my 20 euro alarm bought from Amazon for my Suzuki

I expected a lot more from the Bmw, and this is not my first Bmw bike.

The other one had a much worse issue - it was rarely starting from the first time. There were times in the summer in which it started 3rd or 4th time of trying.

Both Bmw bikes were bought new.

In my opinion, all bikes have issues that we have to live with.

There is no perfection.

Comparing a modern BMW with known flaws to a very robust established bike like the Hayabusa is apples to oranges...My brother who is a long time BMW owner and a member of the BMW owners group has little good to say about modern BMW bikes. His old BMW have hundreds of thousands of miles on them with basically only maintenance done to them unlike the modern bikes which are breaking with less than 100,000 miles on them.

Suzuki had more than a few years and an already proven existing electronic suite working before the introduction of the Gen 3...

There are several posts on this very forum which speak on brake issues, hard start problems and QS issues and we are a small demographic representation of all the Hayabusa owners. At the least, Suzuki should have issued a TSB the same as they did for the Gen 2 and it's known issues.

 

[Busa3Fan]

Comparing a modern BMW with known flaws to a very robust established bike like the Hayabusa is apples to oranges...My brother who is a long time BMW owner and a member of the BMW owners group has little good to say about modern BMW bikes. His old BMW have hundreds of thousands of miles on them with basically only maintenance done to them unlike the modern bikes which are breaking with less than 100,000 miles on them.

Suzuki had more than a few years and an already proven existing electronic suite working before the introduction of the Gen 3...

There are several posts on this very forum which speak on brake issues, hard start problems and QS issues and we are a small demographic representation of all the Hayabusa owners. At the least, Suzuki should have issued a TSB the same as they did for the Gen 2 and it's known issues.

Why do you consider the BMW GS not an established and robust bike?

30 years of GS and “In May 2009, the 500,000th GS was produced, an R1200GSmodel.“ is not enough for the GS to be considered an established and robust bike?

In my opinion it is both, and much more than Hayabusa.

People on GS make hundreds of thousands of km and they run their bikes all over the world, sometimes in very bad conditions, including off-road.

I don’t consider ok what Suzuki did with Gen 3 Hayabusa quickshifter, and the other issues that some of you have have.

But I still love it.

 

[sixpack577]

Mine has been mostly flawless. I have had a delay in up shifting once or twice. Nothing enough to complain about or even mention to friends.

If you want you could reverse engineer the entire system like what Boosted by Smith is doing. Learn about the sensor and what signals it’s sending. The ecu reads this sensor as an input.

Then you’d have to figure the output- what signals the ecu is sending and where. These work by cutting ignition or fuel but I don’t care enough to research which Suzuki has used. It can all be reverse engineered. That’s how Woolich made their own QS.

It seems like people are making this more than what it really is. Same with the front brakes. My front brakes were fine but with the design I could easily see some bikes having air in the brake lines from the factory.

I’m extremely happy with my Gen 3.

Even one of my best friends who is a self proclaimed “ergo snob” really enjoyed riding it. He loves his Triumph bikes and stuff more ergonomic oriented.

There are 2 members that reported the dealer bleeding their brakes...and they failed again after...

 

[sixpack577]

I totally agree that Suzuki should have launched a bike that runs perfectly but have in mind that Bmw celebrated 30 years of GS and the 1250 GSA has a quickshifter that I can rarely use and which I started not to use as it is awesome to use the clutch and not have all the bumps I get from using the quickshifter.

My Busa has only the quickshifter issue from time to time; the hot restart and brakes problems are not present on my bike.

Hayabusa was 16.500 euro vat included and the GS 1250 30 years edition was 25.400 euro vat included.

And the quickshifter is not the only issue in my 1250 GSA 30 years edition:

- bad battery was replaced on warranty - 7 days my bike was at the Bmw dealership - no replacement bike - in full summer
- OEM app is not working every time I ride the bike
- bluetooth connection has lots of errors and from time to time I cannot respond to calls
- Akrapovic exhaust which came from factory melted a part of the license plate holder and I was about to lose the license plate
- OEM alarm is worse than my 20 euro alarm bought from Amazon for my Suzuki

I expected a lot more from the Bmw, and this is not my first Bmw bike.

The other one had a much worse issue - it was rarely starting from the first time. There were times in the summer in which it started 3rd or 4th time of trying.

Both Bmw bikes were bought new.

In my opinion, all bikes have issues that we have to live with.

There is no perfection.

No, there is no perfection.
Gen1 and 2 Busas had minor to no issues.
Now several gen3's are basically lemons.
I don't know what you're used to, but when I buy something new...I expect it to work.
If clutch bolts back out from no factory thread locker(gen2), that's an aggravation, but a simple fix.
If the QS won't shift correctly, it doesn't want to restart hot, and the brakes fail...that's some BS...Suzuki is responsible to fix it, and expecting those things to work is Not expecting 'perfection'.
I'm seriously glad your bike works, but am upset for those whose doesn't.
I'de also Really like to go get one...but no way, Murphy's Law says I get the junk bike too.
I know me...and I'm not about to deal with that.
Suzuki's upper management has proven themselves clowns on this one.
F them all.

 

[TonyM995]

There are 2 members that reported the dealer bleeding their brakes...and they failed again after...

That's a bummer for them but 2 reports out of how many thousands of bikes sold? As you stated there is no perfect and what production line or manufacturing process has zero defects? It's super easy to put new Core Moto brake lines on and bypass the ABS unit.

I bought a brand new 2021 KTM Super Duke 1290 and it had more issues than my 22' busa. First the ignition key was not cut at all so I had to keep the spare on me to access the trunk. It had other issues where the dash wouldn't turn on even though I held the key directly over the sensor.

This is the world we live in and manufacturing still isn't perfect. New homes are no different, they all have issues that owners have to workout with the builder.

 

[sixpack577]

That's a bummer for them but 2 reports out of how many thousands of bikes sold? As you stated there is no perfect and what production line or manufacturing process has zero defects? It's super easy to put new Core Moto brake lines on and bypass the ABS unit.

I bought a brand new 2021 KTM Super Duke 1290 and it had more issues than my 22' busa. First the ignition key was not cut at all so I had to keep the spare on me to access the trunk. It had other issues where the dash wouldn't turn on even though I held the key directly over the sensor.

This is the world we live in and manufacturing still isn't perfect. New homes are no different, they all have issues that owners have to workout with the builder.

I agree with most of that, but...
I'm not a fan of on-board electronics, but I'm also not about to rewire a brand new bike(you are for your own project, which is really cool).
I also do ss lines on all my bikes.
I've sucessfully put ss lines on an abs bike, and they bled fine.
I don't think anyone should have to eliminate abs from a new bike, or add new lines, or even have to bleed it...right out of the showroom.
The numbers of these issues are small, but here's what people seem to be missing...Suzuki is doing Nothing!!
Who wants this hassle with a new anything, let alone a $21k bike...that it's brakes could fail.
And, since bleeding doesn't fix it, my bet is it's still in the abs unit itself, some are defective.
To put things in better perspective...I am the Quality Control guy in a big machine shop. Junk parts are one thing, it happens...but turning a blind eye to something that could get somebody killed, nah. Suzuki's management has obviously gone to s**t like so many other places.
It all comes down to a**holes that don't take pride in their work, and take no accountability for what they do.
It's a global moral disease that's destroying society at all levels.

 

[Busa3Fan]

I expect everything to work perfectly, but if it doesn’t I don’t have a major problem.

Now depends on the issue… last model Aprilia RSV4 has plenty of hard core issues - oil leaking, excessive heat, no start, bad dealers, bad warranty.

These problems would destroy my joy to own an Aprilia RSV4 so I won’t buy it.

Going back to what I am used to I had 8 new Mercedes cars in the last 6 years, and some worked perfectly while others had issues.

Would I still buy a new Mercedes? Absolutely!

Even brand new Ferraris have issues, some have lots of them.
IPhones have issues too.

So again, I also expect perfection but if I don’t get it, I don’t run away.

If I would think this way, I would not buy anything.

If you look for problems on the internet, you will find them for every motorcycle, car, expensive electronics, and everything else.

So in the end is a game of managing expectations.

 

[TonyM995]

I agree with most of that, but...
I'm not a fan of on-board electronics, but I'm also not about to rewire a brand new bike(you are for your own project, which is really cool).
I also do ss lines on all my bikes.
I've sucessfully put ss lines on an abs bike, and they bled fine.
I don't think anyone should have to eliminate abs from a new bike, or add new lines, or even have to bleed it...right out of the showroom.
The numbers of these issues are small, but here's what people seem to be missing...Suzuki is doing Nothing!!
Who wants this hassle with a new anything, let alone a $21k bike...that it's brakes could fail.
And, since bleeding doesn't fix it, my bet is it's still in the abs unit itself, some are defective.
To put things in better perspective...I am the Quality Control guy in a big machine shop. Junk parts are one thing, it happens...but turning a blind eye to something that could get somebody killed, nah. Suzuki's management has obviously gone to s**t like so many other places.
It all comes down to a**holes that don't take pride in their work, and take no accountability for what they do.
It's a global moral disease that's destroying society at all levels.

I'm rewiring my bike because I am a fan of onboard electronics. I just want ones that will get me down a drag strip vs cruising around comfortably. I'm also looking for complete tuning control so that's not a normal use case.

It feels like you're catastrophizing, I hear you and agree nobody wants to deal with spending a lot of money on new stuff and have issues. I can't comment on Suzuki Management but I do hear you.

 

[sixpack577]

I expect everything to work perfectly, but if it doesn’t I don’t have a major problem.

Now depends on the issue… last model Aprilia RSV4 has plenty of hard core issues - oil leaking, excessive heat, no start, bad dealers, bad warranty.

These problems would destroy my joy to own an Aprilia RSV4 so I won’t buy it.

Going back to what I am used to I had 8 new Mercedes cars in the last 6 years, and some worked perfectly while others had issues.

Would I still buy a new Mercedes? Absolutely!

Even brand new Ferraris have issues, some have lots of them.
IPhones have issues too.

So again, I also expect perfection but if I don’t get it, I don’t run away.

If I would think this way, I would not buy anything.

If you look for problems on the internet, you will find them for every motorcycle, car, expensive electronics, and everything else.

So in the end is a game of managing expectations.

That's all true...but, if you have issues with a new machine...and nothing is done about it. Or the dealer replaces parts, and the issue still continues, then that's a big problem.
I'm not suprised by first year, new machine problems either, but, if the factory does nothing, and the next year model still has the same problems...that's a major red flag.
So, Suzuki, even if the number of QS, failed hot starts, and failing brakes cannot be fixed by the dealer...then suck it up and replace a few bikes...it'll be alot cheaper than the law suits.

 

[sixpack577]

I'm rewiring my bike because I am a fan of onboard electronics. I just want ones that will get me down a drag strip vs cruising around comfortably. I'm also looking for complete tuning control so that's not a normal use case.

It feels like you're catastrophizing, I hear you and agree nobody wants to deal with spending a lot of money on new stuff and have issues. I can't comment on Suzuki Management but I do hear you.

If you don't think randomly failing brakes on a 2nd year bike is a catastrophe...I don't know what is.
Again, I do Not want to hear of Anyone hurt in a crash from this, but it seems that's what it may take to get people's attention. But, it will also be very hard to prove.
The whole point of all my griping is that Suzuki has become like so many others...a bunch of care less, do nothing, worthless bastards.

 

[Busa3Fan]

That's all true...but, if you have issues with a new machine...and nothing is done about it. Or the dealer replaces parts, and the issue still continues, then that's a big problem.
I'm not suprised by first year, new machine problems either, but, if the factory does nothing, and the next year model still has the same problems...that's a major red flag.
So, Suzuki, even if the number of QS, failed hot starts, and failing brakes cannot be fixed by the dealer...then suck it up and replace a few bikes...it'll be alot cheaper than the law suits.

Agree, Suzuki should not have those issues on their Gen3 Hayabusa and they should have quick fixes on warranty.

I don’t try to defend them and I don’t understand what they did out there.

Don’t care too much for the brand, I will soon expand my bike collection with a Ducati and at some point with a classic Triumph or a Harley Davidson.

Bmw has issues on their 30 years edition motorcycle and for some of these issues there are no fixes - for the quickshifter as an example which is important for me.

This is a bad joke, Bmw celebrates 30 years of Bmw GS and their bike has plenty of issues.

After 30 years. )

I expected Bmw GS to be extremely close to perfect and I was quite surprised to find it differently.

But I still love my GS and also my Hayabusa.

What surprised me regarding Hayabusa was the lack of aftermarket parts.

I expected the market to launch much more things and some of them are still missing:

- several turbo kits from which to choose - 0 options at this point

- winglets is another thing but from what I saw you guys don’t like it at all and probably only TTS Performance will launch its own winglets kit

- undercowl exhaust

- limited choices for exhaust hangers

R&G will send me their updated exhaust hanger after 5-6 months of waiting. That is quite a lot of time for such a basic part.

And yes, when I saw some of your writing about their brake problems, I was quite concerned.

 

[sixpack577]

Agree, Suzuki should not have those issues on their Gen3 Hayabusa and they should have quick fixes on warranty.

I don’t try to defend them and I don’t understand what they did out there.

Don’t care too much for the brand, I will soon expand my bike collection with a Ducati and at some point with a classic Triumph or a Harley Davidson.

Bmw has issues on their 30 years edition motorcycle and for some of these issues there are no fixes - for the quickshifter as an example which is important for me.

This is a bad joke, Bmw celebrates 30 years of Bmw GS and their bike has plenty of issues.

After 30 years. )

I expected Bmw GS to be extremely close to perfect and I was quite surprised to find it differently.

But I still love my GS and also my Hayabusa.

What surprised me regarding Hayabusa was the lack of aftermarket parts.

I expected the market to launch much more things and some of them are still missing:

- several turbo kits from which to choose - 0 options at this point

- winglets is another thing but from what I saw you guys don’t like it at all and probably only TTS Performance will launch its own winglets kit

- undercowl exhaust

- limited choices for exhaust hangers

R&G will send me their updated exhaust hanger after 5-6 months of waiting. That is quite a lot of time for such a basic part.

And yes, when I saw some of your writing about their brake problems, I was quite concerned.

I think that how long it took the ecu to be cracked, along with covid supply issues, are the reasons it has taken the aftermarket a long time to make gen3 parts.

Also
Classic Harleys are like aircraft...they require 2 hours of maintenance for every hour of operation, lmao!

 

[PeregrineKeith]

I’ve had my bike dynoed by CM$ and when we discussed the tuning he mentioned that even the QS fix he has isn’t 100%. I don’t believe it’s something he is personally responsible for it’s just something in the tuning that he can manipulate… somewhat..
I was super appreciative that he was honest and upfront that it could or could not fix my issue and I elected to leave mine alone.
I have commented early on about the QS issue and for me I just clutch 1-2 and QS everything else with no issues.
I do run TC 1 but as MonkeyButt mentioned about the TC I’m going to give that a try.

 

[Fernando]

Air Shifter and problem solved. Quick shifter works good as soon you wide open your throttle.

 

[Fernando]

No issues here