Good luck Lt.

[mracer29]

Who cares, this guy had "assault rifles" and from what I heard on CNN, an ASSAULT SNIPER RIFLE! WOW! He needed to die...

Lol damn assault rifles makes folks go crazy

 

[Jacobs]

This is all I have to contribute....

 

[fallenarch]

I feel Dorner was a loner, I say this to say, it's a shame that no one in his life stepped in and put their arm around his shoulder. Not his mother or sister, no one. Are we so busy with our own lives that we can not see the pain or hear the agony of those close to us and maybe shut our mouths about our problems long enough to listen to anothers.

I'm confused LAPD keeps coming up in Chris Dorner's Death. Did they even have officers on the ground near the cabin ? I disagree with probably 90% of that CNN article. I do agree with parts of it.

IMHO Chris Dorner would not allow himself to be taken alive. Is it really expected that more officers needed to be injured or killed for the purposes of taking him alive ?

Also think of this folks, just for a minute. You weren't there. You have little to no facts, and you can't responsibly sit back in the safety of your recliner and judge the actions of those that were. Most of you can't even place yourselves in their shoes to begin to understand. I wasn't there in the heat of the moment, so I certainly can't judge their actions. Anyone who wants to try must place themselves in their shoes at the moment.

Prayers sent for all those who died in this incident and remember this. This was just one incident that captured the medias attention, just think of all the evil and tragedy that took place while you watched it.

Most "loners" isolate themselves, not the other way around. I don't think Dorner was going to give up, that was his whole purpose in the first place, to go out in a fight to the finish. I think people begin to isolate themselves because of a low self image. Then they begin to resent the people who they are isolating themselves from and the isolation deepens. As the isolation deepens they develop a sociopathic attitude to other people. Finally they actually get totally isolated (which very few humans can actually tolerate. I read that prisoners would rather be whipped than be in isolation) and they do something crazy to make people acknowledge them. This is a classic case of that. (I read this somewhere about the mass murderers)

 

[fallenarch]

I think it is unreasonable, but indeed a sign of the times, to label any one that pursues a fight to restore his name or a fight to expose corruption as a psychopath or crazy or a nut or coward.

Just look at me, I am the devil's advocate here more often than not and I have been very aware of the general opinion many here have about my very reasonable presentations of a different perspective as just plain nuttiness, ravings of a madman and trolling.

Now see, we are in total agreement! Sorry dude, I'm not proud - throw me a soft ball and I'll take a swing at it........

 

[fallenarch]

Wrong, it did everything to put a spotlight on the LAPD and the ongoing corruption permeating it so that maybe a larger organization can initiate an inquiry into the events that led to this saga. Also, what you call a conspiracy theory and therefore dismiss as lunacy stems from a series of unexplained and not even addressed events as this will continue to be for eternity. You will have some congressional finding or a poorly hatched LAPD statement after another lousy "internal review" that does nothing to improve LEO and Civilian relations.

Did you read his service record? The guy was either directly a NAVY Seal or an underwater demo guy which is pretty much hand in hand. These facts are not even publicized but if you know how to read between the lines you can be aware. What is this trained assassin stuff? It is because they know what he did in the Navy and they hired him in a very obvious manner to compliment the personnel infrastructure of the force. Thus, his behavior and confidence due to experience is what gave him the wherewithal to stand up for what he believed.

Let me give you something else to label a conspiracy theory. This is experience I have gained in my involvement in various international incidents and what I have learned through direct interaction with the highest echelons of government is that the agencies entrusted with securing our borders, national defense, foreign policy and local law enforcement not to mention others that will remain unnamed are functioning in an autonomous way with no inter agency cooperation that is very precisely designed to keep all intelligence in house and for the benefit of those in command. You don't get to learn these truths by reading a few newspapers or watching CNN in the comfort of your own home.

If you think a thread in a forum about a hayabusa has any relavance beyond a bunch of people thinking they kno wmore about this world than they do then that in and of itself is sort of crazy.

 

[Projekt]

I will admit that I am only here for the post count and to undermine topics and posts of obviously incomprehensible value to the earth and to humanity. So, all I can do is typically post up a most of the time if not all of the time.

It is noble of you to admit this as we have all been conscious of this for some time and I will give you a pass for your recent transgressions due to your admission here.

Meee meeee meeee meeee meeee and a blah blah blah blah blah and a booo-booo booo-boooooo-boooooo.... Girl Power Rules!!! So there! How's that for rational my little friend??? Yes.. I know I am really easy to provoke into anger and I just want to make that public now. By the way Projekt, it really turns me on to argue with you as I have always been ahem... Stimulated by you ever since before the beefcake thread.

Why thank you for being so transparent. It is admirable and deserves respect.

:bs:

I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I?

I think Dorner had been watching too many Samuel L Jackson movies...

We should all try some of his Beer... Samuel L. Jackson... Made by ME.. Samuel L. Jackson.. It's my beer...Yes they deserve to die!!! And I hope they burn in HELL!!! Now where is that Samuel L. Jackson emoticon?

 

[Projekt]

Wow.. Just wow.. This just shows me how detached folks really are about the issues presented here that they take major liberties with the comments so as to accuse someone of insanity... Thanks. You have proven a prior point.

If you think a thread in a forum about a hayabusa has any relavance beyond a bunch of people thinking they kno wmore about this world than they do then that in and of itself is sort of crazy.

 

[semi]

This guy was a loose cannon...whatever brought him to that point doesn't really matter anymore, does it?

yes, it does matter...it doesn't really matter what your personal thoughts and feelings toward Dorner are, figuring out what sent him over the edge should be our number one priority right now...was he telling the truth initially and then fired as a coverup? did he have issues stemming from time in the service? etc., etc.? whatever caused it needs to be exposed and dealt with...i realize that the easiest short-term answer is "he was a crazy man who didn't have the intelligence to find a civilized method to express his feelings"...that is the wrong answer!!! there are a lot of people much more unstable than he was out there that might decide this is an appropriate example of how to resolve their differences and we might want to step up and pay attention

 

[BUBBA]

They called me crazy at work because I was in those Mts 4wheeling and hiking on Sunday. I did not think he posed a threat to us and had no problem hiking the area unarmed!
Listen to the couple that were tied up and the guy whose truck was jacked, this man was not crazy, he was deeply disturbed and I would bet there is more to his story than meets the eye. I know those Mts and people that live there full time and some of them are close to the young officer that was slain. Sad times here, but we can agree that this was destined to happen and many people predicted this outcome well in advance.

 

[Projekt]

yes, it does matter...it doesn't really matter what your personal thoughts and feelings toward Dorner are, figuring out what sent him over the edge should be our number one priority right now...was he telling the truth initially and then fired as a coverup? did he have issues stemming from time in the service? etc., etc.? whatever caused it needs to be exposed and dealt with...i realize that the easiest short-term answer is "he was a crazy man who didn't have the intelligence to find a civilized method to express his feelings"...that is the wrong answer!!! there are a lot of people much more unstable than he was out there that might decide this is an appropriate example of how to resolve their differences and we might want to step up and pay attention

My thoughts exactly! I was hoping someone would chime in with this perspective before I tried to waste my time and energy on deaf ears. Semi.. I got your back anytime anywhere.

 

[BUBBA]

Beat me to the punch, Projekt!

 

[Projekt]

They called me crazy at work because I was in those Mts 4wheeling and hiking on Sunday. I did not think he posed a threat to us and had no problem hiking the area unarmed!
Listen to the couple that were tied up and the guy whose truck was jacked, this man was not crazy, he was deeply disturbed and I would bet there is more to his story than meets the eye. I know those Mts and people that live there full time and some of them are close to the young officer that was slain. Sad times here, but we can agree that this was destined to happen and many people predicted this outcome well in advance.

The reason they called you crazy is because they didn't appreciate your knowledge of risk and the man's agenda.

 

[BUBBA]

I never felt like a target, and would never endanger myself if I did!
Thanks P! Wish we could have met last time you were in town, but future opportunities will arise.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

They called me crazy at work because I was in those Mts 4wheeling and hiking on Sunday. I did not think he posed a threat to us and had no problem hiking the area unarmed!
Listen to the couple that were tied up and the guy whose truck was jacked, this man was not crazy, he was deeply disturbed and I would bet there is more to his story than meets the eye. I know those Mts and people that live there full time and some of them are close to the young officer that was slain. Sad times here, but we can agree that this was destined to happen and many people predicted this outcome well in advance.

Semi, good post.

Bubba says, he was not crazy he was deeply disturbed.
Personally I think he was completely calm and sane to the very end.


And yes there is most def more to the story which is why he snapped to begin with but you will sooner discover who shot JFK than find the truth here.

 

[GNBRETT]

Semi, good post.

Bubba says, he was not crazy he was deeply disturbed.
Personally I think he was completely calm and sane to the very end.....

oh he was definately sane and calm. sociopath's often participate in violent acts and have a failure to feel guilty for those acts and continue killing and are often highly intelligent.

he prob believed the lies and conspiracy theories that he made up in in his head cause things didnt go his way. he was a dangerous person. by definition he was a serial killer or a spree killer or spree serial killer. he meets elements of several. his gratification was psychological tho which again puts him closer to a serial killer.

 

[Projekt]

oh he was definately sane and calm. sociopath's often participate in violent acts and have a failure to feel guilty for those acts and continue killing and are often highly intelligent.

he prob believed the lies and conspiracy theories that he made up in in his head cause things didnt go his way. he was a dangerous person. by definition he was a serial killer or a spree killer or spree serial killer. he meets elements of several. his gratification was psychological tho which again puts him closer to a serial killer.

His statements were corroborated by witnesses. However, the statements were then discounted by the accused cops. You want to call it made up and sociopathic, go ahead. I however stick to my argument that this man felt it necessary to carry out the agenda he did because he knew that to get results after giving the "Legal" system a shot requires that you set off bombs or ventilate skulls these days. It is an unfortunate truth in today's age but with the so called free (censored) press only reporting the items that it is instructed to rather than actual issues of social importance, it just is what it is. Maybe, Lt Dorner could have gone another route but it is doubtful that he would have gone far in LA since that city is, well, under the thumb of force. He decided to do what he did to provide a service to the citizens there, to serve and protect them in other words from the oppressive practices of the few corrupt that continue to tarnish the image of the force with impunity.

 

[Lurch]

With the few so called facts I have from the media, Here is what I see.

Lt. Dorner was not a psycho, sociopath, unstable or crazy. If he was any of those he would not have allowed the couple, he tied up, to live. He told them he was not going ot harm them.
He aslo would not have allowed the man he carjacked to retrieve his dog and walk away alive. If he was any of these things people have called him these people would have been added to the body count.
Is what he did the correct way of handling something like this? Probably not, there are probably much better ways to handle it, but he is not insane, psycho, an animal or any other title some you wish to label him with.

IMHO.

 

[VaBusa]

yes, it does matter...it doesn't really matter what your personal thoughts and feelings toward Dorner are, figuring out what sent him over the edge should be our number one priority right now...was he telling the truth initially and then fired as a coverup? did he have issues stemming from time in the service? etc., etc.? whatever caused it needs to be exposed and dealt with...i realize that the easiest short-term answer is "he was a crazy man who didn't have the intelligence to find a civilized method to express his feelings"...that is the wrong answer!!! there are a lot of people much more unstable than he was out there that might decide this is an appropriate example of how to resolve their differences and we might want to step up and pay attention

My point wasn't to sweep this under any rug. I'm the one in all the threads about the recent school shooting saying there's a HUGE frickin' problem with the mental health care system in America today, and that it's not guns that are killing masses when someone goes off; it's their mental state and the fact that somewhere along the way, someone failed them. I certainly did not mean we ignore what brought this man to this point in his life. My point was watching every conspiracy theorist come out and try to paint this guy as a martyr is wrong. That is NOT the direction this story should go in, and that's exactly where some are taking it.

 

[Lurch]

My point wasn't to sweep this under any rug. I'm the one in all the threads about the recent school shooting saying there's a HUGE frickin' problem with the mental health care system in America today, and that it's not guns that are killing masses when someone goes off; it's their mental state and the fact that somewhere along the way, someone failed them. I certainly did not mean we ignore what brought this man to this point in his life. My point was watching every conspiracy theorist come out and try to paint this guy as a martyr is wrong. That is NOT the direction this story should go in, and that's exactly where some are taking it.

Vabs I can't agree more with you.
What I disagree with is the fact that people are labeling him and animal or a sociopath or a nut job. Any one of these labels implies a person with out sanity or ruthless. This man may have been off to a degree but was not off to the point that most shooters are. He did not kill everyone he came across that typically would have been added to the pile.

Was he a martyr? NO.
Did he do the right thing? NO
Was he a man convicted in his beliefs? YES
Did he stray from his plan? Maybe but not really.

 

[dadofthree]

I can think of a few things that are more important and take priority in my life.

Detective Jeremiah MacKay, San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, California