History Lesson

[mjn]

You forgot one line: "Conservatives made their fortune on the concept of entrepreneurship, which doesn't really invlove much more than using your Daddy's money and other people's labor to make your fortune, then raping the company for every possible cent that you can, including the workers pensions and leaving the rest of us with the bill for the damage....."

Ok buddy, I'm not here to hammer ya....but;
Entrepreneurship isn't "daddy's money". It means having the balls to take a chance and try something on your own. It is the very foundation of this great country. "using other peoples labor".....well, I think that is a good thing, creating jobs, right? Not everyone has the guts to be an entrepreneur, so they work for those who are.

Are there bad folks at the top? Of course there are. Just like there are bad people in the middle and at the bottom. We just hear more about the ones at the top because it makes better news.

I'm not mad at ya dude, it just makes me sad to see someone as obviously intellegent as you with this mindset.....

We live in the best nation on the planet. A nation of leaders.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[mjn]

By the way DAB,

Great post! I liked it!

 

[justintime2]

You forgot one line: "Conservatives made their fortune on the concept of entrepreneurship, which doesn't really invlove much more than using your Daddy's money and other people's labor to make your fortune, then raping the company for every possible cent that you can, including the workers pensions and leaving the rest of us with the bill for the damage....."

Global crossing? Terry Mcauliff?
Oh forget it. I could continue to list Dems who screwed you but your class envy and hate for any entrepenuers, leberal or conservitive, would continue. Not sure how you make your living but you may want to thank that evil, money grubbing, inheriting ####### that provides you with the chance to make a living. Your comment is the most ignorant I have heard in awhile. Sure glad Bush won and proved that people like you and the liberal media are the minority, and the majority of America doesn't think like you. It must of hurt finding that out on election day.  

I have no hatred of entrepenuers, liberal or conservative. I do however think that it is laughable to think that simply investing money that was handed down to you and trying to make more makes you a savvy businessman. It's easy to make money if you have it to start with, I'm impressed by those who have nothing and make a fortune.
A corporation provides me with the way to make a living, the guy that started this company stole the idea and plans from a competitor and made a living until the company got bought.
If you consider me ignorant because my views are opposed to yours, then you are a perfect example of what is wrong with our society today. I suggest that the ignorance lies with the person who blindly follows a political party even when its leadership has strayed so far from reality that they think opposition to the government is un-american.
The majority of America didn't vote for Bush on election day, they just didn't vote against him. I'm sure you won't see the difference between the two, but there is one, I assure you.
The middle class are the ones who bear the majority of society's financial burden, but most people who fit into this category are so busy sucking on the never-ending stream of bullsh!t coming from professional politicians asses that they don't relize they are the ones getting screwed. Rich people don't pay taxes, they hide their money. Poor people don't pay taxes, they have no money. Who do you think bailed out the poor saps who lost everything in the Enron mess? The rich? The poor? I'll be footing the bill for their well being for the rest of my life, while the guys who made millions from the deals walk away scott free. neither political party care about people like you and I, they care about justifying their own existence and getting whichever moron they choose elected.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you know me well enough to attack me based on a few posts on a bike website dude, you have no clue.

I don't need to elaborate on your level of class envy, your second post is ripe with your discontent for those who have more than you, however they got it. Put your own capital on the line, take your own risks, and come up with your own idea or quite hating those that do and go work for them.

As far as the election goes the majority of the country did vote for Bush. Those that choose not to vote have no voice in the discussion, nor should they. So is there another majority, beside the one that showed up and voted for Bush, that counts in your mind? This is a liberal's attempt to pretend the election didn't turn out the way it actually did.

And last but not least. The majority of taxes in this country are paid for by the "rich" as you call them. And as much as it may pain you to know, Bush's tax cuts actually increased the % they pay compared to the middle and lower classes.

I don't have a clue who you are as this is just a motorcycle website. However if you are going to post a political point of view that I feel is non-sense, then I feel the need to counter it with my own version of common sense. The same common sense tells me I probably have my assessment of your views on this one pretty close. Don't be so surprised that someone would counter your post bashing rich people.

 

[warbrown]

Did anyone catch Thomas Sowell's article this week? His books and articles consistantly hit the nail right on the head.

Part 1 (6/7/2005): http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050607.shtml

Part 2 (6/9/2005) :http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050609.shtml



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[Relsek]

Did anyone catch Thomas Sowell's article this week?  His books and articles consistantly hit the nail right on the head.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050609.shtml

I just read that article. It was good. I've heard him speak before and he makes a lot of sense. I have found that many people (observed on this board also) have a mindset that won't be changed, they refuse to accept that there may be another way of thinking than they have been taught and that someone else may be right and them wrong.

On another thread just a few weeks ago, someone was argueing history, since his dad was a historian, he just knew he was right, even though history proves differently. You just can't get through to some people.

Have you ever stopped to wonder if History as we've been taught over the last century or so is actually true? Especially now that we find out that media sources such as the New York Times, NBC news, ABC news, have been making up news with no truth to back them up? They just thought it and wanted to spread it to the rest of us.

Kev

 

[justintime2]

Did anyone catch Thomas Sowell's article this week?  His books and articles consistantly hit the nail right on the head.

Part 1 (6/7/2005): http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050607.shtml

Part 2 (6/9/2005) :http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050609.shtml

That's a good read!

 

[Wag]

You forgot one line: "Conservatives made their fortune on the concept of entrepreneurship, which doesn't really invlove much more than using your Daddy's money and other people's labor to make your fortune, then raping the company for every possible cent that you can, including the workers pensions and leaving the rest of us with the bill for the damage....."

Quite the exception rather than the rule.

--Wag--

 

[Mr Brown]

You forgot one line: "Conservatives made their fortune on the concept of entrepreneurship, which doesn't really invlove much more than using your Daddy's money and other people's labor to make your fortune, then raping the company for every possible cent that you can, including the workers pensions and leaving the rest of us with the bill for the damage....."

Ok buddy, I'm not here to hammer ya....but;
Entrepreneurship isn't "daddy's money".   It means having the balls to take a chance and try something on your own.  It is the very foundation of this great country.  "using other peoples labor".....well, I think that is a good thing, creating jobs, right?  Not everyone has the guts to be an entrepreneur,  so they work for those who are.

Are there bad folks at the top?  Of course there are.  Just like there are bad people in the middle and at the bottom.  We just hear more about the ones at the top because it makes better news.

I'm not mad at ya dude, it just makes me sad to see someone as obviously intellegent as you with this mindset.....

We live in the best nation on the planet.  A nation of leaders.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

I would never consider a differing opinion to be bashing simply because it's different, it's all in the manner in which it's expressed. I appreciate that you think that the use labor is a benefit for everyone and perhaps it is. The manner in which a certain group of people use this troubles me. It seems that some people think that they are better than others, simply because of opportunities that others might not have had. While I have nothing against making one's life better through hard work, I don't think that just because someone is successful makes them a better person. I don't think that being an entrepeneur simply requires the balls to hang your own shingle, I believe that it also requires good fortune.
I came to view things this way through education and experience, it bothers me that there are those who simplt don't understand that free enterprise is simply one of several economic systems, and it is not without flaws and casualties.
I agree that we live in the best nation on earth, I disagree about it being a nation of leaders. I think that it used to be, but people have allowed free thinking and diversity to become things of which we are afraid.

 

[Mr Brown]

I don't need to elaborate on your level of class envy, your second post is ripe with your discontent for those who have more than you, however they got it. Put your own capital on the line, take your own risks, and come up with your own idea or quite hating those that do and go work for them.

As far as the election goes the majority of the country did vote for Bush. Those that choose not to vote have no voice in the discussion, nor should they. So is there another majority, beside the one that showed up and voted for Bush, that counts in your mind? This is a liberal's attempt to pretend the election didn't turn out the way it actually did.

And last but not least. The majority of taxes in this country are paid for by the "rich" as you call them. And as much as it may pain you to know, Bush's tax cuts actually increased the % they pay compared to the middle and lower classes.

I don't have a clue who you are as this is just a motorcycle website. However if you are going to post a political point of view that I feel is non-sense, then I feel the need to counter it with my own version of common sense. The same common sense tells me I probably have my assessment of your views on this one pretty close. Don't be so surprised that someone would counter your post bashing rich people.

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I have no envy for anyone who has more or less than I do. I have quite a comfortable life, my family have all we need, and quite a bit of what we want. I work hard to ensure this will contiue to be the case.
Obviously, you have allowed your dislike of me to prevent you from separating what I actually said from what you thought I meant. Please read carefully this time. I figured that you wouldn't understand my election statement, allow me to clarify: George Bush was elected president by the majority of people that voted. This does not mean that the majority of people in this country think he 's the best man for the job, it simply means that more people that voted chose him. Many potential voters chose not to vote at all because they realized after the previoius election that the popular vote means nothing. You say that just bacause people who felt neither choice presented to them was the correct one they don't have the right to complain? Of course they do, that's what this country is all about. Were you asleep through governmaent class? We have the right to complain about whatever we want, as long as it done in the correct manner. I am not disputing the validity of the election results, just pointing out that not everyone is content with being force fed the religious values that seem to be becoming a disturbing part of our government. There is nothing wrong with these values, in fact they coincide directly with my own on many occasions, I just believe that the government has no business applying them.
The majority of taxes are not paid by the rich, they are paid by the middle class, which is why it is shrinking. If you think otherwise, you aren't paying attention. it makes no difference what % the administration claims they pay, 80% of nothing or 40% of nothing is still nothing. If you are naive enough to think that major corporations and the individuals who benefit from them haven't figured out how to hide their money, I'd love to sell you a bridge.
You don't have a clue, the fact that you see someone's opinion that differs with your own as nonsense tells me a lot about you. If you consider spouting political views as truth common sense, well there's not much to say in reply to that, it pretty well says it all. You can't tell the difference between the opinions and the person, and I pity you for that.
In conclusion, I offer a bumper sticker that I saw once:
"A working person that votes republican is like a chicken that votes for Colonel Sanders"
Aren't you a Fireman? A repectable and honorable profession to be sure, but hardly one at which you will get rich.

 

[Mr Brown]

By the way DAB,

Great post!  I liked it!

+1

 

[Mr Brown]

Did anyone catch Thomas Sowell's article this week?  His books and articles consistantly hit the nail right on the head.

Part 1 (6/7/2005): http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050607.shtml

Part 2 (6/9/2005) :http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050609.shtml

I think that's very interesting, but prolly not for the same reasons most people do.

 

[mjn]

Mr. Brown, I've read some of your posts on matters such as this. I know and respect that we have differing opinions, so I am quite certain that this is a waste of time, but consider this;

Whatever job you have, is there because someone, at some point in time, had the guts to try something on thier own. If they used daddys money, then it was daddy that had the guts.
Does that make them better than you and I? Of course not. Do some of them act as if that was the case? Sure they do. There are a$$holes at every tier. Not ever gonna change that.
"perhaps creating labor opportunities is good"

? My God man, of course its good...we all need jobs!! What kind of response is that?
Yes, "certain groups" use thier position/money in uscrupulous ways. Conservatives AND liberals. It is just wrong to focus on the negative doings of the conservatives alone.......that would make you,.....well, just like most of todays newscasters!

Please, continue to have your own opinion. If we were all of the same mind it would be a boring world.

But don't get all spun out when folks jump at you for making statements like the one above.

Oh, and this is a land of leaders they are out there, if ya listen you can hear them. It's just that sometimes the followers whine a little louder.

 

[Mr Brown]

Mr. Brown, I've read some of your posts on matters such as this.  I know and respect that we have differing opinions, so I am quite certain that this is a waste of time, but consider this;

Whatever job you have, is there because someone, at some point in time, had the guts to try something on thier own.  If they used daddys money, then it was daddy that had the guts.  
Does that make them better than you and I?  Of course not.  Do some of them act as if that was the case?  Sure they do.  There are a$$holes at every tier.  Not ever gonna change that.
"perhaps creating labor opportunities is good"

?  My God man, of course its good...we all need jobs!!  What kind of response is that?
Yes, "certain groups" use thier position/money in uscrupulous ways.  Conservatives AND liberals.  It is just wrong to focus on the negative doings of the conservatives alone.......that would make you,.....well, just like most of todays newscasters!

Please, continue to have your own opinion.  If we were all of the same mind it would be a boring world.

But don't get all spun out when folks jump at you for making statements like the one above.

Oh, and this is a land of leaders they are out there, if ya listen you can hear them.  It's just that sometimes the followers whine a little louder.

Of course I will consider what you have to say, I would prefer to have this discussion over a few adult beverages, but oh well. In my first reply to justintime2 I stated where I work and how it came to be. I do not respect that at all, how could I?
I agree that there are a$$holes at every level, disagree about changing it. Our tolerance of people behaving in this manner is tacit approval.
We need jobs because the economic system in place dictates it. People got along just fine prior to the invention of the notion of labor as a resource. That's why I answered in that manner.
I am not foolish enough to think that liberals are any more trustworty than conservatives. I have very little respect for professional politicians, pundits and commentators. There main concern is justifying their own existence, not undertaking the job they are supposed to be attending to.
It is not the opinion within what was written, but the tone that I take offence to. The notion that a differing opinion is somehow better or worse is ridiculous, it can only be different.

 

[Rhythm]

I agree that we live in the best nation on earth, I disagree about it being a nation of leaders. I think that it used to be, but people have allowed free thinking and diversity to become things of which we are afraid. [/QUOTE]


Absolutely, + 1 on that, B

 

[vincent]

all black busa's are the fastest

 

[Mr Brown]

all black busa's are the fastest

Ummmm, no, everyone knows that blue and silver is the fastest color, but think what you want.........

 

[Rhythm]

Both of you guyz are wrong, and yes you too B-Dawg. Everybody knows the grey and silva Busa is the best.

Looks like you two have been sippn from the same 40.oz of Hatorade

 

[pure_ego]

I actually do remember reading an article explaining that the top 1% grossing entities (people/businesses) pay 80% of all taxes..

really.. do you think my yearly earnings.. say for example if they are 50,000$.. 30% roughly are taken out for taxes.. $15,000.. whoo hoo.. big money there for them to spend.. whats that get? 2 toilet seats and a guest bathroom kleenex cozey?

hell they don't even get that much of it. ..but it does help show the point.

Do away with all of them.. put me in and watch it all go down the toilet... but me and my cronies are gonna have one helluva party.

 

[mjn]

all black busa's are the fastest

Ummmm, no, everyone knows that blue and silver is the fastest color, but think what you want.........

Man, It doesn't matter to me what way you lean politically......we all have, and are entitled to our own opinions, but when it comes to facts, that is where I draw the line!


Without a doubt; Black/silver is the fastest!

 

[Rhythm]

mjn
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Location: kennewick, wa. Posted: June 13 2005,05:44

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Quote (vincent @ June 12 2005,20:04)
all black busa's are the fastest

Ummmm, no, everyone knows that blue and silver is the fastest color, but think what you want.........

Man, It doesn't matter to me what way you lean politically......we all have, and are entitled to our own opinions, but when it comes to facts, that is where I draw the line!


Without a doubt; Black/silver is the fastest! [/QUOTE]

Exhale and let it go, mjn