How to stop Terrorism

I have posted this on 3 different sites.  I think it is interesting the varying responses that I have received.  I have been attacked and all else.  I know that some of you have not responded because you don't agree.  I wish I saw another way.  I honestly do!!
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Marc
I don't necessarily agree that we should kill them all, and I know that's not what you're saying...I have trouble when it comes to killing children and that's where my opinion of bombing them all ends...it's that simple to me...they're the innocent ones and I shudder at the thought of just randomly dropping bombs on kids...I know, I know, it's war, they would kill our children (and have) and innocents die every day...it's just hard for me to be party to that...

But, those that know the game being played, the parents, the soldiers, the elders that shelter and protect terrorism, they need a rude awakening from the U.S. Stop pussy-footing around and playing "good cop" against guys that know no rules or boundaries...

Time to toughen up Bush...I back our President 100% in whatever he decides, but it's time to step up the pressure...they'll continue picking us off one by one until we're gone unless we show them that we play hard ball too...eye for an eye is the only thing they understand...
 
I don't relish killing children either. I am against bombing but making it personal to the families of the terrorist just as they have made it personal to the families of our countrymen. So Va I agree with you whole heartedly.
 
Marc,

I am guessing that something must have touched a nerve as of late. Here is my $.02. This isn't how I feel, it is just the reality of terrorism.

First off when you have 8-10 year old children chearing in the streets after 9/11, stopping terrorism is next to impossible. Unless we just wipe out the entire country. Other wise in a few years the new generation of terrorists is all ready in place.

Give them a chance. "You have 3 days to leave the city, bring no weapons." After 3 days level the city. No mercy. Then send in sweep and clean up teams. Remove any arms that might be found and kill any one that might be left. If there is any unrest among the evacuees, execute them. The ones who are going to protest are the ones who are going to give us trouble in the future. We could also add coating the city with pigs blood. This makes them un-clean and unable to get into their heaven. We would probably only need to do this one time. The pigs blood has worked in the past.

If nothing else make them the 51, 52 etc. states.

Later,

Steve
 
I hate to say it, but I agree with Tree... The kids over there are not like the kids here. They are not like your children and they are not like my children. Didn't you hear or see the videos of kids throwing rocks and pummeling dead soldiers?

They cheer at our demise, they learn this from their parents.

If we kill the parents and let the children live, but are now having to fend for themselves and are without parents.. what does that do? It breeds more hatred and creates next generation terrorists that have a hatred for is that will only end with their death.

The way I see it, we need to kill any adult that even picks up a rock.

And the children? I see it as we have two choices, we either have to send them with their parents OR, take the children and put them in homes where they will have all the love they can handle and teach them and raise them properly.

Personally, I would rather see us take the children and see them raised in a loving home.

But as I said, if you don’t do one of those two, all you are doing is creating next generation terrorist that will be hard core

Just my two cents
 
Keeping the emotion out of it.....

I have a feeling we are already on the best track possible... Bush has done all we could to technically "kill" them... Unfortunetly we have foreign interests elsewhere that would scream "bloody murder" if we killed innocent women and children. (Of course, how innocent are they... Their children are going to probably grow up to be terroists following in dady's foot steps.)

Anyway... We would be sanctioned into a recession or worse... Many of our goods/resources (like oil) does come from foreign countries and to have them cut us off tomorrow would be devasting to our economy and potentially our social structure as we know it...

On the devil's advocate side of things...

Hate to say it guys/gals, but we have killed A LOT of people over there already. Many of the innocent over in the places we have recently occupied have lost their lives due to American fire power... Am I saying we are wrong to be doing what we are doing... No; definetly not. But let's not act all surprised when they are out there trying to torture us to death for what we have brought down on them...
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I copied this from another forum I'm on. It's good stuff.

BTW, I totally agree with you HM.

This essay is extracted from Ralph Peters' new book, "When Devils Walk the Earth." It is a must-read. If you focus on nothing else, peruse the last point; Number 25.

Chapter III. Fighting Terror: Do's and Don'ts for a Superpower:

1. Be feared!

2. Identify the type of terrorists you face, and know your enemy as well as you possibly can. Although tactics may be similar, strategies for dealing with practical vs. apocalyptic terrorists can differ widely. Practical terrorists may have legitimate grievances that deserve consideration, although their methods cannot be tolerated. Apocalyptic terrorists, no matter their rhetoric, seek your destruction and must be killed to the last man. The apt metaphor is cancer: you cannot hope for success if you only cut out part of the tumor. For the apocalyptic terrorist, evading your efforts can easily be turned into a public triumph. Our bloodiest successes will create far fewer terrorists and sympathizers than our failures.

3. Do not be afraid to be powerful. Cold War-era gambits of proportionate response and dialog may have some utility in dealing with practical terrorists, but they are counter-productive in dealing with apocalyptic terrorists. Our great strengths are wealth and raw power. When we fail to bring those strengths to bear, we contribute to our own defeat. For a superpower to think small, which has been our habit across the last decade, at least, is self-defeating folly. Our responses to terrorist acts should make the world gasp!

4. Speak bluntly. Euphemisms are interpreted as weakness by our enemies and mislead the American people. Speak of killing terrorists and destroying their organizations. Timid speech leads to timid actions. Explain when necessary, but do not apologize. Expressions of regret are never seen as a mark of decency by terrorists or their supporters, but only as a sign that our will is faltering. Blame the terrorists as the root cause whenever operations have unintended negative consequences. Never go on the rhetorical defensive.

5. Concentrate on winning the propaganda war where it is winnable. Focus on keeping or enhancing the support from allies and well-disposed clients, but do not waste an inordinate amount of effort trying to win unwinnable hearts and minds. Convince hostile populations through victory.

6. Do not be drawn into a public dialog with terrorists, especially not with apocalyptic terrorists. You cannot win. You legitimize the terrorists by addressing them even through a third medium, and their extravagant claims will resound more successfully on their own home ground than anything you can say. Ignore absurd accusations, and never let the enemy's claims slow or sidetrack you. The terrorist wants you to react, and your best means of unbalancing him and his plan is to ignore his accusations.

7. Avoid planning creep. Within our vast bureaucratic system, too many voices compete for attention and innumerable agendas, often selfish and personal - intrude on any attempt to act decisively. Focus on the basic mission: the destruction of the terrorists with all the moral, intellectual and practical rigor you can bring to bear. All other issues, from future nation building, to alliance consensus, to humanitarian concerns are secondary.

8. Maintain resolve. Especially in the Middle East and Central Asia, experts and diplomats will always present you with a multitude of good reasons for doing nothing, or for doing too little (or for doing exactly the wrong thing). Fight as hard as you can within the system to prevent diplomats from gaining influence over the strategic campaign. Although their intentions are often good, our diplomats and their obsolete strategic views are the terrorist's unwitting allies and diplomats are extremely jealous of military success and military authority in their region (where their expertise is never as deep or subtle as they believe it to be). Beyond the problem with our diplomats, the broader forces of bureaucratic entropy are an internal threat. The counter-terrorist campaign must be not only resolute, but constantly self-rejuvenating in ideas, techniques, military and inter-agency combinations, and sheer energy. Old hands must be stimulated constantly by new ideas.

9. When in doubt, hit harder than you think necessary. Success will be forgiven. Even the best-intentioned failure will not. When military force is used against terrorist networks, it should be used with such power that it stuns even our allies. We must get over our cowardice in means. While small-scale raids and other knifepoint operations are useful against individual targets, broader operations should be overwhelming. Of course, targeting limitations may inhibit some efforts but whenever possible, maximum force should be used in simultaneous operations at the very beginning of a campaign. Do not hesitate to supplement initial target lists with extensive bombing attacks on nothing if they can increase the initial psychological impact. Demonstrate power whenever you can. Show; don't tell!

10. Whenever legal conditions permit, kill terrorists on the spot (do not give them a chance to surrender, if you can help it). Contrary to academic wisdom, the surest way to make a martyr of a terrorist is to capture, convict and imprison him, leading to endless efforts by sympathizers to stage kidnappings, hijacking and other events intended to liberate the imprisoned terrorist(s). This is war, not law enforcement.

11. Never listen to those who warn that ferocity on our part reduces us to the level of the terrorists. That is the argument of the campus, not of the battlefield, and it insults America's service members and the American people. Historically, we have proven, time after time, that we can do a tough, dirty job for our country without any damage to our nation's moral fabric (Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not interfere with American democracy, values or behavior).

12. Spare and protect innocent civilians whenever possible, but: do not let the prospect of civilian casualties interfere with ultimate mission accomplishment. This is a fight to protect the American people, and we must do so whatever the cost, or the price in American lives may be devastating. In a choice between them, and us the choice is always us.

13. Do not allow the terrorists to hide behind religion. Apocalyptic terrorists cite religion as a justification for attacking us; in turn, we cannot let them hide behind religious holidays, taboos, strictures or even sacred terrain. We must establish a consistent reputation for relentless pursuit and destruction of those who kill our citizens. Until we do this, our hesitation will continue to strengthen our enemy's ranks and his resolve.

14. Do not allow third parties to broker a peace, a truce, or any pause in operations. One of the most difficult challenges in fighting terrorism on a global scale is the drag produced by nervous allies. We must be single-minded. The best thing we can do for our allies in the long-term is to be so resolute and so strong that they value their alliance with us all the more. We must recognize the innate strength of our position and stop allowing regional leaders with counterproductive local agendas to subdue or dilute our efforts.

15. Don't flinch. If an operation goes awry and friendly casualties are unexpectedly high, immediately bolster morale and the military's image by striking back swiftly in a manner that inflicts the maximum possible number of casualties on the enemy and his supporters. Hit back as graphically as possible, to impress upon the local and regional players that you weren't badly hurt or deterred in the least.

16. Do not worry about alienating already-hostile populations. --(ED ADDED, "OR ANTI-WAR SENATORS ASPIRING TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF OUR GREAT NATION.")

17. Whenever possible, humiliate your enemy in the eyes of his own people. Do not try to use reasonable arguments against him. Shame him publicly, in any way you can. Create doubt where you cannot excite support. Most apocalyptic terrorists, especially, come from cultures of male vanity. Disgrace them at every opportunity. Done successfully, this both degrades them in the eyes of their followers and supporters, and provokes the terrorist to respond, increasing his vulnerability.

18. If the terrorists hide, strike what they hold dear, using clandestine means and, whenever possible, foreign agents to provoke them to break cover and react. Do not be squeamish. Your enemy is not. Subtlety is not superpower strength but the raw power to do that, which is necessary, is our great advantage. We forget that, while the world may happily chide or accuse us-or complain of our inhumanity-no one can stop us if we maintain our strength of will. Much of the world will complain no matter what we do. Hatred of America is the default position of failed individuals and failing states around the world, in every civilization, and there is nothing we can do to change their minds. We refuse to understand how much of humanity will find excuses for evil, so long as the evil strikes those who are more successful than the apologists themselves. This is as true of American academics, whose eagerness to declare our military efforts a failure is unflagging, or European clerics, who still cannot forgive America's magnanimity at the end of World War II, as it is of unemployed Egyptians or Pakistanis. The psychologically marginalized are at least as dangerous as the physically deprived.

19. Do not allow the terrorists sanctuary in any country, at any time, under any circumstances. Counter-terrorist operations must, above all, be relentless. This does not necessarily mean that military operations will be constantly underway sometimes it will be surveillance efforts, or deception plans, or operations by other agencies. But the overall effort must never pause for breath. We must be faster, more resolute, more resourceful and, ultimately, even more uncompromising than our enemies.

20. Never declare victory. Announce successes and milestones. But never give the terrorists a chance to embarrass you after a public pronouncement that the war is over.

21. Impress upon the minds of terrorists and potential terrorists everywhere, and upon the populations and governments inclined to support them, that American retaliation will be powerful and uncompromising. You will never deter fanatics, but you can frighten those who might support, harbor or attempt to use terrorists for their own ends. Our basic task in the world today is to restore a sense of American power, capabilities and resolve. We must be hard, or we will be struck wherever we are soft. It is folly for charity to precede victory. First win, then unclench your fist.

22. Do everything possible to make terrorists and their active supporters live in terror themselves. Turn the tide psychologically and practically. While this will not deter hard-core apocalyptic terrorists, it will dissipate their energies as they try to defend themselves and fear will deter many less-committed supporters of terror. Do not be distracted by the baggage of the term assassination. This is a war. The enemy, whether a hijacker or a financier, violates the laws of war by his refusal to wear a uniform and by purposely targeting civilians. He is by definition a war criminal. On our soil, he is either a spy or a saboteur, and not entitled to the protections of the U.S. Constitution. Those who abet terrorists must grow afraid to turn out the lights to go to sleep.

23. Never accept the consensus of the Washington intelligentsia, which looks backward to past failures, not forward to future successes.

24. In dealing with Islamic apocalyptic terrorists, remember that their most cherished symbols are fewer and far more vulnerable than are the West's. Ultimately, no potential target can be regarded as off-limits when the United States is threatened with mass casualties. Worry less about offending foreign sensibilities and more about protecting Americans.

25. Do not look for answers in recent history, which is still unclear and subject to personal emotion. Begin with the study of the classical world, specifically Rome, which is the nearest model to the present-day United States. Mild with subject peoples, to whom they brought the rule of ethical law, the Romans in their rise and at their apogee were implacable with their enemies. The utter destruction of Carthage brought centuries of local peace, while the later empire's attempts to appease barbarians consistently failed!
 
I have a rough time agreeing with the kill the families bit. I spent the week with a cub scout who happened to be a Muslim and his mom semed pretty nice.

Now let's say his father performed terrorist act. Assuming his son (7 years old, born and raised in USA) is not indoctronated into "kill all the Americans", killing his mom for the actions of her husbandmight just do it.
 
i have a friend who was born and raised in jordan and he has strong feelings on this entire situation. he warned that we shoul not start this war for more than a couple reasons. he said, the iraqi people are some of the hardest people in the world. they have been oppressed for so long that they can live in conditions that we cannot comprehend as well as being so very intent on protecting their land, people and religion. even with the sadam influence, they will protect their own and are willing to die for them. the question that cannot be answered is this, how can you win a war when the people you are fighting have no fear of being killed? the point of war is to win by either the fear of massive destruction or death right? with the circumstances stated above war is pointless. he described a conflict he experianced when he was young. shooting an ak at people he was fighting and nearly every bullet was hitting people and yet even though the enemy had no weapons they still kept coming. these people truely have a passion for their culture and good or bad if we attack a part of it they will all rise up and defend. he said it would be exactly as it is and its scary. he knows the people and he fears the worst is yet to come. i wish there was an answer but fighting a more intense and aggressive style war may ultimately destroy the entire middleeast. im not taking sides but how do you continue a war you cannot lose but cannot win? the will do anything it takes and they willgain support among their people and it truely may end up being the greatest loss the world may ever see. god bless all of our troops and god bless the good people of the middle east. i hope the powers that be can come up with a solution that i cannot even begin to figure out. too many innocent people are dying at the hands of terror and i fear it will get worse. we need to be careful what we wish for and try to understand the culture of the enemy. if we increase the carnage, they may too and it may be more than we all can handle. then what? agin god bless you guys over seas and be careful and we look forward to seeing you all home safely. sorry for the rant. ive lost 2 family members already and have 3 more being deployed this year.:( be careful what you wish for unless you have seen the bombs falling around you.
 
I spent 8 years US Army, 4 of which as a paratrooper and thankfully never was deployed to combat. I feel for every US serviceman and woman deployed around the world.

As for the statement of you friend from Jordan, I totally respect and understand his thoughts and opinions. History even shows this to be true with that area of the world. But we are not at war or even have issues with the people, culture or religion of the region. Our problem is the terrorist that are hiding and operating from that area of the world and the people that support them. So, if the Middle Eastern population wants to promote peace (as is said by the Muslim priest in the US the Koran teaches), then get out of the way and let us destroy the terrorist before they strike again.

Jay
 
the problem is the fact that what little they(the people )have is being destroyed. much of it by there own who are terrorists. its an unfortunate problem. it is looked at like this. if you kill their neighbor, if they are good or bad its still their neighbor and probably their friend so you know whats next. they dont have the press like we have here and they dont usually believe what it says anywa unless its from an arabic leader. the problem is that most of the arabic leaders who have fought wars to gain the respect they get are indeed terrorists. we appoint governments and they are looked at as american puppets so it generally becomes fuel for the terrorist fire. i dont have the answer i just know that our warfare style is not effective against these people. all they hold dear is family culture and religon. blowing up bldgs and people or anything for that matter will not bring these terrorists down. the middle easterners have lived like this for thousands of years and generally hated the west and usually for good reason. 90% of the americans i talk to dont care about islam and consider it a violent terrorist group! dont you think they see this? if a country came to yours and you knew they hated you religion, your true salvation. would you embrace their help? we have much to do to relate and respect the muslim nation and its more than just trying to free the people. their faith is more important than freedom. a difficult concept for a country like the us where athiest's are becoming the fastest growing group.
 
Living in Sarajevo Ten years into the aftermath of an attempted genocide gifts me with an interesting perspective on this.  I'm tired of writing today but here goes. In a religion dominated by men that being the Fundamentalist sects of Islam, specifically the Shia, the potential for war and destruction is always greater. These guys sit around for hours in the mosque, hot, sweaty, stinking of BO and various other bodily secretions. That alone would drive me to insanity and mayhem. Their women stay home or on the street covered by a burka, these folks have nothing to mellow them out. They are as fiery as a prize fighter two weeks pre-bout. Because they don't unload their demons or clear the pipes on a regular basis. They have women for making children and boys for love, what a concept. People don't want to understand the root of their evil and jihadistic tendencies is because they have no release.  Once they allow their beautiful well dressed women to emerge from underneath the black over garments they will appreciate a new focus for their impulses and soon with some controversy may even appreciate western values once again.  They did appreciate these values until late 1970s when the Fundamentalist revolution plunged their Nation (Iran) into uproar and rejection of Americana...  All of a sudden their rock stars, female actresses, intellectuals, forward thinkers and western sympathizers were either murdered or escaped into American or other foreign exile. The Mulas are great at controlling the populous via Koran writings and law but they will not have it for long. There is a movement among a majority of citizens of Iran to overthrow religious totalitarianism and it will happen sooner than later. The children will have to be re-educated out the KhmerRouge-esque/Pavlovian conditioning that they receive on a daily basis. The revolution will again bring freedom to all and will not be simple or painless.



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this entire Iraq, terrorism, bad americans stuff is sooo petty, violence as despute resolution is a child like mentality, apparently education is the key to problem solving? its difficult when governments dictate what you can learn and what you cant? I guess theres a lot to be said for freedom? to bad its not a gift instead of a product of violence...
 
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