Its a typical situation when there are two shifts involved in running one machine. He is jelouls of you because he dont know how to do the programing and such that you do. I run a robot on second shift and sometimes get frustrated that i dont know or havnt been taught as much as my day shift counterparts. I however dont direct it in a form of anger to them like he did to you. I try to get along and learn as much from them in the little time that we are both there. Maybe sometime he will grow up and realise that is the best policy, unstead of acting like a jelous 10 year old. All the best until he grows up.
I didn't go to work today and need to "calm down"
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Bill,I know exactly what you are going thru as I have been in the machine field for 22 yrs.
And I too do all the cnc programming for the 'clue-less monkeys' out on the floor.
They seem to know it all but why is it that they still cant even run a simple production job right?
They have all the answers,but still only push a little green and red button and maybe a few offset changes everyday.
The mentality of the guys I deal with on my daily basis makes me ill,they are like a bunch of old ladies!Ya did the right thing by cooling down before ya beet the everliving crap outta him.
Hang in there bro.
And I too do all the cnc programming for the 'clue-less monkeys' out on the floor.
They seem to know it all but why is it that they still cant even run a simple production job right?
They have all the answers,but still only push a little green and red button and maybe a few offset changes everyday.
The mentality of the guys I deal with on my daily basis makes me ill,they are like a bunch of old ladies!Ya did the right thing by cooling down before ya beet the everliving crap outta him.
Hang in there bro.
Hate to say it ,But those smart coffee holders called supervisors are worth there wait in gold . in a good run shop with one good super you can get most of the problems handled . If the owner thinks he is saving overhead by not having one then he should be there doing that part . No company will work very long or productive unless they have at least one lead man or super . Even if the owner has to do it.. And yes they are glorified baby sitters but they are needed..you would be Suprised on how hard it is to get people with different personalities to work together with out bickering and fighting all the time with out a BOSS.. As far as your situation goes I would let it go you you called him he stopped .If it happens again just do the professional thing and ask him politely for you and him to take a early lunch break and clock out go of work property and you and him can have a more private conversation that way you can not get fired .. He wont do it any ways but that is how I let my guy's handle it . just never gets that far.. I tell them if you cant work it out then both go take a lunch break of out property come back in thirty minutes with it settled..Ready to work .we have no supervisors or leadmen...owner keeps the over-head and confusion down by not having them...figures why should he take his smatest most skilled guys and stick a cup of coffee in their hand and tun'em into glorified babysitters...i thought it a great concept...but also figured i'd be working around adults who knew how to act and behave as such...and to think this guy was supposed to be a professional pilot?..yet he's combative and controlling and all because he's insecure as shid?...I'm baffled.
Yeah man....and the more I think about it?...the more it pi$$e$ me off as here I was trying to take care of the freaking guy (if for nothing more than stillwaters and a pleasant work enviro) and he threatens me?...cause he's tweaked at his own lack of skills?...but then I think of how truely pathetic he is to have done such...and then even punk down on his own confrontational words...sad really.
Yeah...so?...guess I am feeling better...still won't know how things are gonna truely work out till mon. afternoon though...and that's the part that sux.
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I too go out of my way to make sure that the job runs effortlessly,easy set up ect... If they don't like something about the way it runs,I listen,make a correction if needed just to please them.I usually try to have the job run the way I would want it if I were still working on the floor.
One guy stopped talking to me (and still doesn't) just because I asked the operator who usually runs the job if he had showed the guy everything that he needs to know about the job,and he started ranting about how he has 30 yrs. experience ect. ect.. yea,yea,yea,that's why he still cant even trig out a simple bolt circle for the life of him...
And bTW,I have the upmost respect for you here,just for the fact that I know that you are a pretty smart guy just by reading your posts about bikes,so I'm sure you have even more knowledge in the thing you do 10 or more hrs a day.
And those goons should have the same.....
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One guy stopped talking to me (and still doesn't) just because I asked the operator who usually runs the job if he had showed the guy everything that he needs to know about the job,and he started ranting about how he has 30 yrs. experience ect. ect.. yea,yea,yea,that's why he still cant even trig out a simple bolt circle for the life of him...
And bTW,I have the upmost respect for you here,just for the fact that I know that you are a pretty smart guy just by reading your posts about bikes,so I'm sure you have even more knowledge in the thing you do 10 or more hrs a day.
And those goons should have the same.....
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I have had the same thing in the mechanical field. Even had one guy brag that he made more money than me when I was doing all his diagnostics. Ok grasshopper, you ready to jump? Every one of them starved out as soon as I cut the cord. Its a little different at the new job as we are not on commision, but hourly, but the same principal works, if you burn your bridges with me, you are on your own. Course I get my digs in by stating "oh wait , I didn't know it was ginny boy day -- lemmie practice here -- clear throat -- waaah --- wahhhhhhh " One guy got my butt chewed cause he didn't like my instructions -- and had to come back (with the supervisor that chewed me out) and ask me to bail them out, cause no one else could figger it out.
Bill,
I remember when you took this job and were talking about the owner. Go to him and lay it on the line. You said he wouldn't put up with this type of crap. Now it's time for him to stand by his word. If nothing else, make the idiot take care of his own set-up.
Good luck,
Steve
I remember when you took this job and were talking about the owner. Go to him and lay it on the line. You said he wouldn't put up with this type of crap. Now it's time for him to stand by his word. If nothing else, make the idiot take care of his own set-up.
Good luck,
Steve
It's impossible to avoid know-it-all idiots like that in the work place. Every few years we get one like that and they don't last long.
Most memorable guy we had was named Andre. He knew everything about any and all subjects. He constantly bragged about his dad who was a "millionaire 5 times over" and yet Andre lived in a run down hillbilly shack in Gary Indiana.
The dude never shut up, at the end of the day you could hear his voice echoing in your head. If you knew you'd be working with him the next day, you made damn sure to bring some extra strength Tylenol along.
He'd see a Ferrari go by and instantly claim his aunt has one just like it. He also claimed to be a martial arts expert that TRAINED WITH CHUCK NORRIS and could clear out an entire bar within minutes. His obsession was knowing famous stars from the 70's...he claimed to personally know the bionic man, the bionic womam and the guy from Hart to Hart. His aunt was a famous cook for these people and he often ate dinner with them when he lived with his millionaire dad in California.
If you even hinted at calling his bluff on something he'd start to get pissed. He was actually going to smash a cinder block once with his head to prove his martial arts expertise but one of our guys stopped him before he knocked himself out.
At first he was our entertainment but it got old and everyone was fighting over who would get stuck taking him for the day.
Service manager gave him to the shop as a Christmas present from hell. After a week the shop forman couldn't take him anymore and told him to go outside and clean and organize the pipe trailer. We have 7 semi trailers at a concrete loading doc for storage. The pipe trailer is lined from front to back with wooden shelves and wooden storage bins for black pipe, galvanized and copper fittings. In addition to that there's foam armaflex, cardboard boxes and cutting oil all over the place for the pipe threaders. Basically a big oily firetrap.
Cold January day and a few shop guys notice black smoke pouring out of the trailer. The jackass piled up a bunch of cardboard in the middle of the trailer and lit it on fire to stay warm. He was also working in the back of the trailer with the fire between him and the only way out! A few guys put the fire out and dragged his ass out of there. Of course he knew what he was doing and had everything under control and if the smoke got to be too much, he could slow his heart rate down to survive.
His final say on the matter...."I'm bringing newspaper tomorrow because it doesn't produce smoke".
Would full of nuts and it could always be worse.
He was finally let go after that.
Most memorable guy we had was named Andre. He knew everything about any and all subjects. He constantly bragged about his dad who was a "millionaire 5 times over" and yet Andre lived in a run down hillbilly shack in Gary Indiana.
The dude never shut up, at the end of the day you could hear his voice echoing in your head. If you knew you'd be working with him the next day, you made damn sure to bring some extra strength Tylenol along.
He'd see a Ferrari go by and instantly claim his aunt has one just like it. He also claimed to be a martial arts expert that TRAINED WITH CHUCK NORRIS and could clear out an entire bar within minutes. His obsession was knowing famous stars from the 70's...he claimed to personally know the bionic man, the bionic womam and the guy from Hart to Hart. His aunt was a famous cook for these people and he often ate dinner with them when he lived with his millionaire dad in California.
If you even hinted at calling his bluff on something he'd start to get pissed. He was actually going to smash a cinder block once with his head to prove his martial arts expertise but one of our guys stopped him before he knocked himself out.
At first he was our entertainment but it got old and everyone was fighting over who would get stuck taking him for the day.
Service manager gave him to the shop as a Christmas present from hell. After a week the shop forman couldn't take him anymore and told him to go outside and clean and organize the pipe trailer. We have 7 semi trailers at a concrete loading doc for storage. The pipe trailer is lined from front to back with wooden shelves and wooden storage bins for black pipe, galvanized and copper fittings. In addition to that there's foam armaflex, cardboard boxes and cutting oil all over the place for the pipe threaders. Basically a big oily firetrap.
Cold January day and a few shop guys notice black smoke pouring out of the trailer. The jackass piled up a bunch of cardboard in the middle of the trailer and lit it on fire to stay warm. He was also working in the back of the trailer with the fire between him and the only way out! A few guys put the fire out and dragged his ass out of there. Of course he knew what he was doing and had everything under control and if the smoke got to be too much, he could slow his heart rate down to survive.
His final say on the matter...."I'm bringing newspaper tomorrow because it doesn't produce smoke".
Would full of nuts and it could always be worse.
He was finally let go after that.
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Two things Jinks...
1. Remember the team player is the player that the team owner keeps on the team. Continue to be that person. Continue to work with the team no matter how bad certain players get.
2. If you both have the same job function and his attitude hasn't improved, I'd put the screws to him. Let him take some of his ideas and run with them. If he can't work with you, maybe he should work on his own. If he wants to do more than push buttons, let him fail at other steps of the project. Do this only after you inform the owner that he's made a complaint and would like more responsiblity. If he's bad, he'll be gone or he'll be told YOU are the one to do everything for him (which may end up making him leave - though he should be learning from you). If he's decent, then your workload is lessened and life becomes easier for you - and the cherry on top is; he has you to thank for his new found success! Either way, you're the bigger man. If your functions aren't the same, state that the next time he pipes up. You're the senior man , "so shut it and push some buttons, junior".
1. Remember the team player is the player that the team owner keeps on the team. Continue to be that person. Continue to work with the team no matter how bad certain players get.
2. If you both have the same job function and his attitude hasn't improved, I'd put the screws to him. Let him take some of his ideas and run with them. If he can't work with you, maybe he should work on his own. If he wants to do more than push buttons, let him fail at other steps of the project. Do this only after you inform the owner that he's made a complaint and would like more responsiblity. If he's bad, he'll be gone or he'll be told YOU are the one to do everything for him (which may end up making him leave - though he should be learning from you). If he's decent, then your workload is lessened and life becomes easier for you - and the cherry on top is; he has you to thank for his new found success! Either way, you're the bigger man. If your functions aren't the same, state that the next time he pipes up. You're the senior man , "so shut it and push some buttons, junior".
UPDATE: well folks....someone showed up a bit early today....they weren't looking to big and bad anymore either...he came in early hoping for some free Mastercam9 drawing/programing lessons...and to get "a good shift tie-in"...and I accomodated him on both issues.
My personal dayshift started out good though so I was in a good mood all day as several of my coworkers drifted over throughout the day to get the skinny on "The Words We Had With Each Other" last friday night as apparently the entire shop heard the ruckus and loud profanity...and after a brief explaination to each?..they all went on to express their past personal dealings with him and suggestions ranged from "Cut'im Loose and Let'im Drown On His Own" tooo..."Tell The GM & Owner And Let Them Fire His AZZ!!!"..and everything in between...now...I didn't exactly "Tell On Him"?....but I did put a bug in one guys ear that I know will get back to the owner even though I requested it be kept confidential...from there?..I think nature and kahrma will takes it course or toll...one or the other...let fate decide...meanwhile I'm just doing my best to keep a cool, calm, collective head and remain..a team playa!
It was still weird training/dealing with him this afternoon though...he still sorta acted like a bullheaded azzhole but with a subtle level of of seemingly new found respect...also...for future reference?..I noticed he favors his left shoulder, has bad knees, is kinda doughy look'in and hardly ever keeps his chin tucked or down....he's a little taller than me but I think I can still "Take'im"!!!
Thanks again to everyone for all the wise words and support and I apologize for spewing my personal crap out here at the org. but I was so Pi$$ed I just hadta vent in a way my wife and three daughters would never understand.
Thanks again and...L8R, Bill.
My personal dayshift started out good though so I was in a good mood all day as several of my coworkers drifted over throughout the day to get the skinny on "The Words We Had With Each Other" last friday night as apparently the entire shop heard the ruckus and loud profanity...and after a brief explaination to each?..they all went on to express their past personal dealings with him and suggestions ranged from "Cut'im Loose and Let'im Drown On His Own" tooo..."Tell The GM & Owner And Let Them Fire His AZZ!!!"..and everything in between...now...I didn't exactly "Tell On Him"?....but I did put a bug in one guys ear that I know will get back to the owner even though I requested it be kept confidential...from there?..I think nature and kahrma will takes it course or toll...one or the other...let fate decide...meanwhile I'm just doing my best to keep a cool, calm, collective head and remain..a team playa!
It was still weird training/dealing with him this afternoon though...he still sorta acted like a bullheaded azzhole but with a subtle level of of seemingly new found respect...also...for future reference?..I noticed he favors his left shoulder, has bad knees, is kinda doughy look'in and hardly ever keeps his chin tucked or down....he's a little taller than me but I think I can still "Take'im"!!!
Thanks again to everyone for all the wise words and support and I apologize for spewing my personal crap out here at the org. but I was so Pi$$ed I just hadta vent in a way my wife and three daughters would never understand.
Thanks again and...L8R, Bill.
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