I don't get it?
- Thread starter fallenarch
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No reason to be sorry for showing good sense.
Sad to think a kid who's biggest worry should have been which girl to take to the prom is now fighting for his freedom over the decision to sling an AR15 over his shoulder the same as a book bag and go into a hostile environment...expecting what to happen?
Whether it was his right to bear arms or not, that was a stupid decision and most likely his video game prowess saved his life.
I got to thinking about what you wrote this morning....
I for one am glad weapons are not part of our everyday life here and having the need to carry a weapon to protect yourself while in your own country isn't the best thing there is.
I own weapons, some of which are now banned and that doesn't thrill me however, I have been to every major city in Canada and have never felt that I needed to be carrying a weapon to defend myself...I've walked down streets in the bad neighborhoods with zero issues. After spending a lifetime with weapons as part of my job, it is nice to not have to need one anymore.
Sometimes bad things happen here and there are shootings, we have quite a bit of American influence here but nowhere near the gun violence of the US-not even close and I'm happy for that.
Been to parts of the world where everyone is armed and for good reason as they have to defend the small bag of groceries they just got and parents have to defend their children (mostly girls) from the marauding rape gangs....if I had the misfortune to live in such a place I'd be armed to the teeth at all times.
Agreed. I do live with guns every day and they have become an enjoyable hobby. I got into the weapons scene because this country is approaching the 80-year-itch with some bad Americans, and that has historically meant bloodshed of the defenseless. I get that I can't resist an all-out civil war, but hopefully, I can hold them off until help arrives (assuming help is even coming).
However, now that I have shot a lot of rounds and I'm comfortable with guns, I realize that guns can bend your perception of things:
1. They can focus you on the negative, so it becomes your reality. For example, I scan every room I enter - who's there, are they a treat, and egress. You look at people and situations tactically - you prepare for the negative rather than expect the positive.
2. They can give you a shot (pun intended) of testosterone and a feeling of power that is excessive in most environments. Studies have shown that bigger people tend to lead as the respect for physical dominance is still in our DNA. Guns provide physical superiority that I think is harder to control because that physical dominance is not readily apparent unless you open carry or draw a concealed weapon. So bad actors ignore you until the gun is pulled and maybe the gun owner sometimes looks for that chance to "swing the johnson".
3. They can be as expensive as modding a Busa or a slightly out-of-control gambling habit. They also can take a lot of time. I find hitting a target is so easy it draws you in and then you want to only hit the bullseye every shot. It's sort of like golf in this regard, and getting that 1" spread on your shots at 100 yards costs a money in technology and ammo.
4. Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do motorcycles that go 200 mph, so I seem to be in frequent conflict with a civilized existence, but I digress. In the wild west, it was common to ban weapons in towns. It's pretty obvious that access to deadly force does not mate well with drunks, love triangles, and all the other reasons we fight each other. The 2nd amendment was inacted to entice southern states, who feared the North would outlaw guns to make slavery impractical, to join the Union. Ironically the proliferation of weapons today is inspired by very similar motives. Think about how different things would be if you had to store weapons in an armary, but you could buy anything you wanted?
This is a complex and confusing issue. There are a lot of deep emotional and political issues involved and it's hard to evaluate it all objectively. But I do know for sure we don't want to invite 17 year old kids out onto the streets to administer justice with AR15's.
I have spent most of my life around weapons, my first one was a .22 Marlin lever action I got on my 10th birthday and I carried it everywhere. We had 500 acres and eliminating the local ground hog population was encouraged.
At 12 I joined the army cadets and did a whole pile of shooting and was on the shooting team winning the regionals. When I joined the military at 17 I was already a very good shot and really shone during basic training ranges.
Since then I have completed very integral and complex shooting courses and training as a first shooter in spec ops. We would sometimes put over a thousand rounds through in a day's shoot.
After 33 yrs of service and millions of rounds down range, the allure of shooting weapons has left me, the thought of going to a range and shooting at paper targets bores the crap out of me. I did join a civilian complex shooter's club and that was fun as we did some interesting shoots but that has since closed down.
Then our government released a rifle ban which encompassed the weapons we used for this complex shooting and left me with several prohibited weapons in my gun safe(s).
I hear you on the expense, I have a couple platforms which each cost more than a used Hayabusa.
We in Canada have a far less love affair with guns than the US has although we do love them as well. I will admit is sure is nice to live in a place where gun ownership isn't a necessity for safety...
I imagine if you have shot for a living target shooting would be boring!
Dougyp333
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Society is not civilized. It never has been and it never will be. "Civilized" is just a thin veneer that rubs off as soon as a basic human need, or perceived need, isn't met.
Maybe that is you, it certainly isn't me.
You have been spoilt by the United States of America. If you have spent time in 3rd world countries where civilization is underdeveloped, you would appreciate the civilized environment you live in.
At the end of the day, it depends where you choose to live and who you choose to mingle with.
There is an old saying: "If you roll around in the dirt, your clothes will be stained to where they can no longer be cleaned."
Lmao!
When society crumbles(or gets enough media push)...see how civilized society stays.
When society crumbles(or gets enough media push)...see how civilized society stays.
If you happen to fall off your bike, see how many folks stop to help you over here.
If that happens in some places I have been, you probably would have been left there, minus your wallet, minus your bike, perhaps even your boots.
Some folks just don't know the meaning of "Civil"
JeffSyh
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Black friday sales proves this point lol.
1busa
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Oh how quick people forgot when bottled water and toilet paper ran out....... Remember how people behaved!?!? That was just paper to wipe your @ss and fancy water cause they PREFERRED to not drink tap water. Now just imagine if there isn’t much food at all in the grocery stores and you have a hungry family. We’ll see how well this so called “civilized” society behaves
1busa
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Wreck your bike in Shitcago or Baltimore and the same exact thing will happen to you.
...and lots of other U.S cities
Dougyp333
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I'm just and old fart and make no claim to any special skills but at least some of us understand how quickly it's going to turn to total Sh!^ when it turns. Not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
1busa
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And I would gladly be surrounded by a bunch of 16-17 year olds like Kyle vs these other kids nowadays that can’t make up their minds if they are boys or girls and need safe spaces.
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